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SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331351)
See it' is all becoming clear now...

You say you made this for "users", but you sold it to webmasters.
(I am going to assume that by users you meant surfers, or else you would have used the term 'webmaster')

maybe if you paid attention instead of making foolish assumptions you would understand

do you have a question ?

The script is a search engine script that crawls and databases images and videos whats so fucking hard to understand.

I made it so WEBMASTERS could allow SURFERS to find images and pictures using the search engine..

much like how when you go to msn images its the same as yahoo images


Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331351)
but then you say.... "a system that HELPS webmasters by offering the EXACT same service but WITH backlinks so the webmaster gets to make money"

So far the only webmasters that has had any gain or loss out of it is UW and he lost bandwidth. That is not an outcome he desired.

DD


let me explain the ice cream example again..

yahoo and google give you ZERO ice creams , i give you ONE ice cream, we all offer the same service ..

blink twice if you understand ;)

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331354)
Based on your understanding of the internet, there is NO CHANCE IN HELL that you could teach anyone anything.........

DD

lol i write tutorials all the time son..

Useless 2007-02-12 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTbear (Post 331353)
So far all you have explained is you dont know how a search engine works , dont want your stuff removed and dont know how to keep bots from crawling your site, your childish and cant answer a single question posed.. a real winner here folks..

I've explained no such thing. I do know how to keep bots from crawling my site, but I have no reason to. I have better than a basic understanding of SEO, whether or not you choose make baseless claims to the contrary. You are a fool who is accustomed to touting his wares amongst surfers and ignorant sig whores at the zoo. One can't expect you to mix well with true professional webmasters. I'm not sure why it's called the zoo. Kennel is more appropriate. Or pound. A home to unwanted flea-bitten dogs who can't be trained to not piss in their own mouths.

You're entire purpose here is to keep repeating nonsense in order to avoid prosecution by your peers. Useless doesn't know this, Useless doesn't know that, blah, blah, blah. But I can assure you, son, most everyone here at GG&Jim knows me, or has good reason to feel that they know me. I am a very candid and honest person. If I fuck up, I admit it. If I give incorrect advice and someone calls me on it, I own up to it. I am both obnoxious and humble. :D

You are a child, a little brat. Nothing more.

Useless 2007-02-12 05:48 PM

I sit here wondering how much Vegas appreciates SmokeyTheClown incessantly reviving this thread which accuses his program of cheating. Vegas, at least, was brief and honest about his role. He purchased a shit script, it sucked, he tossed it. His little pal, SmokeMyNuts, is so busy trying to defend his shit script, which is to blame for this mess, that he ignores the fact that the continued life of this thread means continued suffering for MadMoolah. Four pages of bullshit for one image. |thumb

I see why Toby insisted that Vegas and Angel were good people. It's Vegas' other friends who are bad little puppies.

DangerDave 2007-02-12 05:49 PM

OK Brainles.. just try and get your head around this....

Your script takes information/text/and images from other Search Engines and creates pages on your domain that are designed to attract traffic.

Then you use that traffic to sell to other programs not associated with the orignal owners of the content.

That is called theft and deception.

This page - http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache%...riley-xxx.html - was designed to attract persons looking for "raven riley" but what is that at the top... and big ass banner for Dirty Daisy. I think that is what americans "call bait and switch"

What do you think the owners of Raven Riley would think....? Do you think they would be happy with you using their trademarks, keywords and content to generate sales for Dirty Daisy. I don't think so..


You(and your script) are not Google
You(and your script) are not Yahoo
You(and your script) are not a search engine

You(and your script) are a leech
You(and your script) are a parasite
You(and your script) are copyright infringers
You(and your script) are trademark infringers
You(and your script) are search engine spammers

now go away...

DD

PS:- UW can you count the number of "ice creams" these leeches gave you over the last month or whatever... not hits to images pls, just hits to pages?

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 331360)
I do know how to keep bots from crawling my site, but I have no reason to.

then dont ask why se's have your content
Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 331360)
flea-bitten dogs who can't be trained to not piss in their own mouths.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 331360)
You are a child, a little brat. Nothing more.

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 331360)
But I can assure you, son,

your younger than me that makes you my son :) unless your accustomed to having children before you were born. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 331360)
most everyone here at GG&Jim knows me, or has good reason to feel that they know me. I am a very candid and honest person. If I fuck up, I admit it. If I give incorrect advice and someone calls me on it, I own up to it. I am both obnoxious and humble. :D

most everyone at the biggest ;) "zoo" adult webmasters forum know me , but dont take my word for it

Who are the top 5 best people here. Business thinking, nice, helpfull ?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=smokey

Infact theres a nice little tutorial i wrote on there (gfy ) right now on how to build a nice anti-hotlinking script for videos to make webmasters money. Videos arent quite as easy to block using .htaccess as media player does not pass along the same info as abrowser. using my script you can detect and avoid with numerous methods.


Look i understand where your coming from , read above and you can see where the inspiration for this idea came from. It came from ME getting hotlinked from yahoo and wanting to offer the same service while GIVING people credit..

Im almost apprehensive of showing my new project , it makes that script look like peanuts hah but im a nice guy at heart and i truly believe you fellows are just misguided in your complaints..

I can understand the confusion and the intial furour but i think once you think about it you can understand what a powerfull tool FOR YOU it can be.

Useless 2007-02-12 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331364)
UW can you count the number of "ice creams" these leeches gave you over the last month or whatever... not hits to images pls, just hits to pages?

Zero ice creams and zero uniques. But I'm sure I'll get a big check in the mail just the same. ;)

Useless 2007-02-12 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTbear (Post 331366)
then dont ask why se's have your content

Where, where, where did I ask that? I would certainly hope the SEs have my content. Are you sure you aren't a newbie? Maybe English isn't your native tongue?

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331364)
OK Brainles.

its "brainless"
Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331364)

Your script takes information/text/and images from other Search Engines and creates pages on your domain that are designed to attract traffic.

my script is a search engine that collects data from places and redisplays it
yes
thats what a search engine does . collects, databases, redisplays. :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331364)
Then you use that traffic to sell to other programs not associated with the orignal owners of the content.

please dont make me explain what a fucking search engine is again jesus christ.

yes you go to a search angine they have ads



Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331364)

This page - http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache%...riley-xxx.html - was designed to attract persons looking for "raven riley" but what is that at the top... and big ass banner for Dirty Daisy. I think that is what americans "call bait and switch"

that is an ad just like you see on google ..

if i keep having to explain how a search angine works seriously . lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331364)
What do you think the owners of Raven Riley would think....? Do you think they would be happy with you using their trademarks, keywords and content to generate sales for Dirty Daisy. I don't think so..

my script has the ability to filter out copyright names by keyword just like google yahoo msn etc




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Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331364)
childish rhetoric etc etc
now go away...

DD

blah blah you sound like a troll. Try acting like an adult not an 8 year old schoolgirl.



Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331364)
PS:- UW can you count the number of "ice creams" these leeches gave you over the last month or whatever... not hits to images pls, just hits to pages?

i can tell you obviously have a hard time understanding english , read above again if your confused as you obviously are.

I through answering your questions if your going to act childish.. that goes for "useless" as well , if you have questions ask them like an adult and i will answer them like an adult. got it.

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 331368)
Where, where, where did I ask that? I would certainly hope the SEs have my content. Are you sure you aren't a newbie? Maybe English isn't your native tongue?

hyuk hyuk im sure all the hillbillies are laughing. Try being an adult , act like an adult .

What is this thread about ? a search angine displaying your content and you want to know why , and as i explained if you dont want se's crawling your site and displaying your info its OPT OUT so do it, and quit bitching

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 06:08 PM

I'll ask you both 1 final question unless you have an actual adult question to ask ..

You both have hotlinked images on forums correct ?

Greenguy has hotlinked images on its forum correct ?

think before you answer and explain the difference in a calm rational adult manner

Greenguy 2007-02-12 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTbear (Post 331345)
you tell me ? are there hotlinked pictures on this forum ?...

No - we have the image function turned off.

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 331373)
No - we have the image function turned off.

heh good point i guess i should have checked first.

I think you understand my point... is every picture on this forum checked for copyright authenticity and permission before it is linked or displayed ?

are there forums and se's that display and link your content , yes.. is there a way to avoid it ? yes.

DangerDave 2007-02-12 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTbear (Post 331372)
You both have hotlinked images on forums correct ?

None that I know of...

DD

Greenguy 2007-02-12 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTbear (Post 331375)
...I think you understand my point... is every picture on this forum checked for copyright authenticity and permission before it is linked or displayed ?...

No, I don't understand your point (which is one of the reasons we have the image function turned off)

And there is a HUGE difference between hotlinking/displaying an image & linking to it - hotlinking/displaying an image means it's showing up on your website/URL. Linking to it go to the other person's website/URL.

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331376)
None that I know of...

DD

but you get my point.. you just cant admit it because it makes your argument a moot point:) . Look im not "out" to get anyone im happy to disclude you and explain how you can continue to be discluded from any future versions of this script.

I should mention that the test script both in the cache and in the url mentioned earlier are bare bones template so its meant to be set into a design and features. so your kind of seeing a car with the frame.. and no shell .

Just for the confusions sake i have removed the "top feature" of the example script , and i wil let othrs know of your concerns who have purchased the script. but i cant force anyone to do anything

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 331378)
No, I don't understand your point (which is one of the reasons we have the image function turned off)

And there is a HUGE difference between hotlinking/displaying an image & linking to it - hotlinking/displaying an image means it's showing up on your website/URL. Linking to it go to the other person's website/URL.

point taken read post above , i have removed that feature from my version of my test script so it no lnger hotlinks top pics.

So i take it you take offense to other large message boards doing the same ( i.e. gfy )

3xTom 2007-02-12 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX (Post 331194)
I never thought i would see the day that normal webmasters bitch and moan about a search engine script giving them free backlinks

geez, this biz never ceases to amaze me

If thats the kind of shit backlinks im getting using MY FUCKING DOMAIN as an example 3xgals i dont want that kind of nasty shit traffic which by the way was going somewhere else...

And me being the owner of Raven Riley

I'm not to fucking impressed by the shit that was done with OUR images...

DangerDave 2007-02-12 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTbear (Post 331379)
but you get my point..

NO, I don't get your point...

The only thing in question here is "permission".

I give plenty of places 'permsission' to use my name, trademark, copyrighted materials. Your script takes all these things from a secondary source and uses them without permission... as I have said over and over again.. that is an infringement.

DD

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 3xTom (Post 331381)
If thats the kind of shit backlinks im getting using MY FUCKING DOMAIN as an example 3xgals i dont want that kind of nasty shit traffic which by the way was going somewhere else...

And me being the owner of Raven Riley

I'm not to fucking impressed by the shit that was done with OUR images...

ok i gotta clear something up..

first off the traffic could be from anywhere so its not "nasty shit traffic" its a search engine.. the traffic is from wherever the script owner sent to the page if at all ( in this case none at all as its just a test version )

secondly the "shit backlink" remark.. your open to your own opinion but if we are talking se its a relevent backlink froma relevent page with relevent content . so if thats "shit backlink" then so is google except worse because you dont get credit for their links.

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331382)
NO, I don't get your point...

The only thing in question here is "permission".

I give plenty of places 'permsission' to use my name, trademark, copyrighted materials.

congrats and many se's use your site without your permission. google stopped being "opt-in" ages ago.

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Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331382)
Your script takes all these things from a secondary source and uses them without permission...

if i have to explain what a search engine is one more time LOL :)
Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 331382)
as I have said over and over again.. that is an infringement.

DD

If were you i would start a petition to make se's "opt-in" again..

Greenguy 2007-02-12 07:09 PM

Hi Tom |waves|

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom (Post 331381)
I'm not to fucking impressed by the shit that was done with OUR images...

"that shit" is what search engines do.. i apologize for the fact no courtesy link was given as that was my fault for giving him the incomplete template to test.

Im more than happy to work with you to make sure your content is kept private..

but lets be reaistic here

http://www.3xgals.com/miltontwins/004/DSC08299.jpg

when hotlinked reads ravenriley.com

http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...ei=UTF-8&src=p

these kind of overlaps happen especially when testing a script.

fr0gman 2007-02-12 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom (Post 331381)
If thats the kind of shit backlinks im getting using MY FUCKING DOMAIN as an example 3xgals i dont want that kind of nasty shit traffic which by the way was going somewhere else...

And me being the owner of Raven Riley

I'm not to fucking impressed by the shit that was done with OUR images...

Tom,

Calm down. I know people that are reading this thread that use that very same technology to SEND traffic to Raven and Liz.

The weight swings both ways.

3xTom 2007-02-12 07:27 PM

dont get me wrong

sending traffic to raven using ravens pics are fine thats what we are supposed to be doing

sending traffic to someone else using ravens pictures is NOT alright

and by the way hi greenie :)

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom (Post 331393)
dont get me wrong

sending traffic to raven using ravens pics are fine thats what we are supposed to be doing

sending traffic to someone else using ravens pictures is NOT alright

and by the way hi greenie :)

would be more than happy to let your programmers peek at the script and see the "good" this does..

It has keyword matching for EXACTLY this purpose.. when it matches known copyright or site material it attempts to match up sponsors based on keywords , so this wouldn't happen in a "live" environment .

In an ideal setting when you searched for Whoringwives" no ads would be directly displayed but if "raven riley" was found it would display her banners and milton twins would show milton twins ads

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 07:34 PM

although looking at the test examples it appears quite juvenile and unplanned alot of planning went into this script

use my example page above and search for anything with "smokey" in the title and you will notice an "example" text displayed on the page at the bottom middle with ads ..

in the readme of the script outlines how to use the features .. in the cop first posted here this was straight from the box install , and hadnt been modified to include any names / sites

SmokeyTbear 2007-02-12 07:38 PM

using the test page above go there and search for raven riley or milton twins and you can see how it works.. certain html is inserted based on the keyword searched much like adwords..

in my example page has no "default" ads for if a match is not found, it only displays ads based on matched keywords.

fr0gman 2007-02-12 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom (Post 331393)
dont get me wrong

sending traffic to raven using ravens pics are fine thats what we are supposed to be doing

sending traffic to someone else using ravens pictures is NOT alright

and by the way hi greenie :)

Would it be ok with you if I placed a banner for a jaymancash site on a gallery featuring say... DirtyDaisy and then had that listed on Shemp? You would be getting clicked traffic from a page featuring someone's content other than Raven... and let's say that gallery was populated with free hosted content. Would that be okie dokie? I mean, it happens all the time and I have never seen anyone jumping through their butts about it.

What about getting traffic from a TGP that pulls content from other sponsors? Is that ok?

In my opinion program owners should tread very lightly on topic like this. You are already getting traffic from sweat off the backs of other programs and they are getting traffic off the sweat of yours... it is just how the interweb works.

If you don't like others getting traffic from your images indexed in Google or if you don't like getting traffic from the images of others I suggest that all sponsors stop hemorrhaging free content. In my opinion the waters are chummy enough as it is.

Let's just go back to text link directories linked to tour pages and see how happy you are. Why not? It worked in '95 before some idiot sponsor opened the flood gates and made free porn available to the world.

3xTom 2007-02-12 07:53 PM

would i be happy to get traffic from a page featuring another model?

no i wouldnt ....

lets ask ourselves why?

If you sent me traffic from a dirty daisy gallery to my site then the surfer gets there and joins thinking he might see dirty daisy photos well he wont therefore chargebacks are wayyyy higher.... and the surfer is then turned off because he joined from a page that had this other girl on it


lets ask the question here why in the world would you put a raven riley banner on a page for dirty daisy to begin with anyways? I mean if you want to promote raven riley why not use raven riley.....

JaceXXX 2007-02-12 08:03 PM

3xTom, I think you missed the entire part where this script was used for such a short time and never broadcast via links or advertised in any way, it is just a really good piece of software, so it got indexed, what you saw was a page that was a test page while someone was playing with the script, it getting indexed was something he didn't even know happened because he never even linked it up anywhere....

he never even linked it anywhere, so he probably didn't even think about using the robots.txt to block the se's from it

everyone is getting really bent out of shape over a script that is actually amazing when used right, but what everyone saw from the first post of this thread is the script being tested and learned, and then abandoned

fr0gman 2007-02-12 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom (Post 331402)
would i be happy to get traffic from a page featuring another model?

no i wouldnt ....

lets ask ourselves why?

If you sent me traffic from a dirty daisy gallery to my site then the surfer gets there and joins thinking he might see dirty daisy photos well he wont therefore chargebacks are wayyyy higher.... and the surfer is then turned off because he joined from a page that had this other girl on it


lets ask the question here why in the world would you put a raven riley banner on a page for dirty daisy to begin with anyways? I mean if you want to promote raven riley why not use raven riley.....

You missed the point entirely.

I see gallery posts on a daily basis that have text links to other TGP's and landing pages. If you are promoting teen content (Raven is still being tauted as teen content right?) it is not unusual for there to be links from pages containing content from other sponsors.

I have had dialog with JayMan on this topic in the past and he seems fine with content being displayed so long as proper credit is given. Has the official opinion changed and I missed the memo?

JaceXXX 2007-02-12 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fr0gman (Post 331404)
You missed the point entirely.

I see gallery posts on a daily basis that have text links to other TGP's and landing pages. If you are promoting teen content (Raven is still being tauted as teen content right?) it is not unusual for there to be links from pages containing content from other sponsors.

I have had dialog with JayMan on this topic in the past and he seems fine with content being displayed so long as proper credit is given. Has the official opinion changed and I missed the memo?

the thing that really gets me about all this, is that people are missing the function and purpose of the script because they use that first post google cache as an example, when in fact if the script is used properly is an excellent way to drive solid filtered niche traffic to any program

Useless 2007-02-12 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX (Post 331405)
the thing that really gets me about all this, is that people are missing the function and purpose of the script because they use that first post google cache as an example, when in fact if the script is used properly is an excellent way to drive solid filtered niche traffic to any program

No one is missing the point which you, Frog and Smokey are attempting to make. We get the point. So why don't you go and sell the script to webmasters who agree with you and don't doubt your ethics on this matter. Why keep this argument thriving when you must realize that we will never agree with you. I'm not an "agree to disagree" kind of guy. Let's just say we all disagree and get some fucking work done.

JaceXXX 2007-02-12 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 331407)
No one is missing the point which you, Frog and Smokey are attempting to make. We get the point. So why don't you go and sell the script to webmasters who agree with you and don't doubt your ethics on this matter. Why keep this argument thriving when you must realize that we will never agree with you. I'm not an "agree to disagree" kind of guy. Let's just say we all disagree and get some fucking work done.

done

emc2 2007-03-14 11:29 AM

Newbie Input
 
Hotlinking BAD very, very bad ... EVEN if you have free hosting, the person/company giving you free space is feeling the bite of the load on their servers.

Love my new job |bananna|

Toby 2007-03-14 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by emc2 (Post 337236)
Love my new job |bananna|

And what job is that? Bumping month old topics? I applied for that position and got turned down. |huh

GonZo 2007-03-14 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 337240)
And what job is that? Bumping month old topics? I applied for that position and got turned down. |huh

Entertaining thread. Congradulations to all the winners.

tharanga 2007-04-11 08:01 AM

Whoring wives! Well this certainly sounds rather interesting to me. Anyways who would like to be with the same wife for years after all boredom is bound to set in, anyways I hope that this place has enough to fulfill all the hidden fantasies of my mind.

oldbrad 2007-04-11 10:38 PM

huh


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