MadMoolah - DirtyDaisy.com

[Useless]

Mad Moolah is seriously lacking in ethics.

Go to Google's cache of a page which appears to be owned by someone from Mad Moolah and scroll down until you see the delightful image which reads "You Attempted to Steal a Picture You Could Have Gotten for Free at WhoringWives.com" Yes, MadMoolah is hotlinking pictures from one of their affiliates sites.

Also, they're cleverly bypassing many sites' hotlink protection by hotlinking their thumbs through Google Images. Nice trick, cocksuckers.

Proof?

WHOIS for freefacialpics.net
WHOIS for madmoolah.com
WHOIS for DirtyDaisy.com
Take notice of the address.

http://www.schnaggle.com and http://www.3xgals.com are amongst the victims.

The offending page is http: // freefacialpics . net/stb/DIRTY-DAISY-FREE.html which now redirects to Dirty Daisy's tour.

As you may imagine, I'll be killing off all of my DirtyDaisy promotional pages very soon.

[Useless]

I did some more, albeit simple, digging.

site:freefacialpics.net at Google

These asses have a bunch SE fodder pages now redirecting to DirtyDaisy.com.

How about a nice one for Raven Riley?
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/free-raven-riley.html
Google's cache
and another:
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-hot.html
Google's cache

and so on:
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-xxx.html
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-clip.html
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-foot.html
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-dick.html
http://freefacialpics.net/stb/FREE-R...LEY-MOVIE.html

[Greenguy]

So I guess Daisy really is dirty.
(I crack myself up)

Nice catch UW

[fr0gman]

Hmmm....

Looks like a pretty "karmicly" balanced system to me.

You mentioned that the traffic was being redirected so the only bandwidth that is used is by spiders (and the links from this site). The guy/gal that put up this page gets a little SE traffic and the image hosts get incoming links with a minimum of bandwidth load. Seems pretty fair to me. Plus the images are coming from Google's cache.

If I were going to cry foul it would be toward Google (or Yahoo or even MSN) for even having an image index in the first place.

Seems this guy found a clever way to use Google for his benefit. I have to have some respect for that, but I don;t know that I would call him a cheat, per se.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by fr0gman

Hmmm....

Looks like a pretty "karmicly" balanced system to me.

You mentioned that the traffic was being redirected so the only bandwidth that is used is by spiders (and the links from this site). The guy/gal that put up this page gets a little SE traffic and the image hosts get incoming links with a minimum of bandwidth load. Seems pretty fair to me. Plus the images are coming from Google's cache.

If I were going to cry foul it would be toward Google (or Yahoo or even MSN) for even having an image index in the first place.

Seems this guy found a clever way to use Google for his benefit. I have to have some respect for that, but I don;t know that I would call him a cheat, per se.

Well, it seems to me that you are an ignorant cunt. Hotlinking is hotlinking. If you are too fucking stupid to see how hotlinking from anyone, let alone your own god damned affiliate, is WRONG - then I'm amazed your brain can handle the processes which keep your filthy little body alive.

They weren't just hotlinking Google Images, they were also hotlinking an image directly from my site - IDIOT.

And how do you address the abuse of Raven Riley keywords and images in order to gain traffic for Dirty Daisy, moron?

[fr0gman]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Well, it seems to me that you are an ignorant cunt. Hotlinking is hotlinking. If you are too fucking stupid to see how hotlinking from anyone, let alone your own god damned affiliate, is WRONG - then I'm amazed your brain can handle the processes which keep your filthy little body alive.

They weren't just hotlinking Google Images, they were also hotlinking an image directly from my site - IDIOT.

And how do you address the abuse of Raven Riley keywords and images in order to gain traffic for Dirty Daisy, moron?

Where do you get off coming at me that way? You are nothing more than a keyboard commando with an obvious lack of understanding of how the world works.

I assure you that if you knew me or anything about me you would take a much different approach. I strongly encourage you to address me in a different manner in the future.

Now, let's address your statements...

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Well, it seems to me... <useless insults that might get you in trouble deleted>. Hotlinking is hotlinking. If you are too <more walking-on-thin-ice BS removed> to see how hotlinking from anyone, let alone your own god damned affiliate, is WRONG

Let me understand this... DirtyDaisy provided you with free content to promote and then you get your thong in a twist because that content appeared in a Google scrape. Ok, the simple solution for you, if this is really bothering you is to A) put hot link protection on your site. B) use the robots.txt file to insure that none of your precious SPONSOR PROVIDED content gets into the index.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

And how do you address the abuse of Raven Riley keywords and images in order to gain traffic for Dirty Daisy, moron?

I covered this in the original post but since it is obvious that you are a short-bus'er I will cover it again and this time I will type slowly.

In every one of your examples the originating site has a link back to the image location. Anyone with even medium intellect can see that the originating sites are getting tons of inbound links where they would not otherwise.

Take a pill get over this and refrain from calling me the same names that you mother calls you.

[Linkster]

UW - the easiest way to take care of this is to report the issue to Google using the spam report located inside the webmasters tools area (the login sction) as these actually get read - the offending domain should get removed from Google within a day or two
Secondly, and more importantly, while I see both sides as I know how those scripts work and they do scrape the links that Google has pointing back to your site, you are very correct in that if someone does something whether intentional or not (although in this case the use of a tool like that makes it intentional no matter what) - they are held responsible the same way any program is for anything that is outside the relationship boundries we tend to develop in the biz.

This is very similar to what one sponsor has been doing for many years (Dave will back me up on this one) and still does it to this day - which has led to that sponsor being blacklisted many places (although they are evidently going out of business now) and the loss of many WMs promoting them.

[zack2004]

Black hat = BAD
Sorry to here about the penis destruction pills, UW .

[JaceXXX]

I just want to point out, I know that script that is being used, and Smokey The Bear on gfy wrote it....

Vegas and Angel are great people who go out of their way to help anyone at any time, I forwarded them this thread, I am 100% positive this will be cleared up in the next few hours

[Useless]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

I just want to point out, I know that script that is being used, and Smokey The Bear on gfy wrote it....

Vegas and Angel are great people who go out of their way to help anyone at any time, I forwarded them this thread, I am 100% positive this will be cleared up in the next few hours

Tick tock, tick tock. There is no clearing up to be done. All of the offending pages MUST be removed and then they may go quietly to hell. I don't care for apologies, or the standard sponsor routine of ignorance, denial and finally placing the blame upon some underling or hired help.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...All of the offending pages MUST be removed...

They were all 404 when I first read your post yesterday. The redirects you saw could have been due to a general 404 redirect like the one I use. ex: http://www.bevyofbabes.com/this-pg-doesnt-exist.html redirects to the warning page.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

...I forwarded them this thread, I am 100% positive this will be cleared up in the next few hours

I say we wait to see what they have to say & then we can go from there, because all anyone is doing in here (myself included) is speculating.

[JaceXXX]

wait, now I have questions

this has no images of yours, does it? http://freefacialpics.net/stb/DIRTY-DAISY-FREE.html

also, the only thing you can find is in google cache?

maybe he was doing some testing and pages got indexed?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

wait, now I have questions

this has no images of yours, does it? http://freefacialpics.net/stb/DIRTY-DAISY-FREE.html

also, the only thing you can find is in google cache?

maybe he was doing some testing and pages got indexed?

Testing what, hotlinking directly from me? Google's cache is all the evidence I need. At one point, they were obviously hotlinking an image from one of my pages - NOT via Google Image results - which is still wrong. Lazy bastards. Google's cache quite clearly displays their attempt to hotlink the image at this URL. They had that linked to my image, not to the gallery page itself. No surfer would ever see my page, just my stolen image.

Whether or not they altered the page to no longer hotlink my image is neither here nor there. A page of theirs remains live which robs me of SE traffic. I'm not going into detail because I don't want to teach this trick to more theiving bastards.

[JaceXXX]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Testing what, hotlinking directly from me? Google's cache is all the evidence I need. At one point, they were obviously hotlinking an image from one of my pages - NOT via Google Image results - which is still wrong. Lazy bastards. Google's cache quite clearly displays their attempt to hotlink the image at this URL.

Whether or not they altered the page to no longer hotlink my image is neither here nor there. A page of theirs remains live which robs me of SE traffic. I'm not going into detail because I don't want to teach this trick to more theiving bastards.

Actually, SmokeyTheBear on GFY is selling copies of this script on gfy, calling "Blackhat SEO Script", I think Blake was playing it for a while and never really did anything with it...he is asleep now though, so I won't speak for him, but I truely beleive this was something he played with for a while and never developed anything

if he is someone you have been working with in the past, why not go to him first and figure it out?

if you look at the url, it even says stb as the directory, so I know for a fact this was just him playing with shit

also, check out the other results
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...e7&rlz=1I7GGLJ

they ALL 404 now, so it very well could have been him playing with the script during a google update, the pages got cached and indexed, and he pulled it all down a week later

I am not making excuses for him, but I KNOW Vegas is a good guy, and with the recent events that have happened to him and Angel, the LAST thing he would EVER do to anyone is fuck anyone over or be shady

[Useless]

Jeezy Creezy pudding pie! I've never heard of SmokeyTheBear and certainly have never worked with him and I'm not sure why you'd assume that I had.

The offending domain is registered to the same address as MadMoolah.com and DirtyDaisy.com. They are at fault. Therefore, they've lost my 10 hits per day.

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

they ALL 404 now, so it very well could have been him playing with the script during a google update, the pages got cached and indexed, and he pulled it all down a week later

And 404ing to their own Dirty Daisy promotional page is a good thing, when they are using the name "Raven Riley" as their primary keyword phrase on many of those pages?

I don't know Vegas and Angel and I don't know about their personal lives. I know that their site has been juggled from sponsor to sponsor and I know that I signed up to promote them back when they were still just CCBill. Any page I have promoting them was built before they started the juggling process and I've had to change the linking codes a couple of times, though I've never once received any warning that they were changing programs. Always had to figure it out on my own.

BTW - I don't post at GFY, nor do I bathe in a mixture of shit and vomit, so please don't assume that I know everything the surfmasters at GFY know.

[JaceXXX]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I've never heard of SmokeyTheBear and certainly have never worked with him and I'm not sure why you'd assume that I had.

now, come on, where did you see my saying that? I was just informing you, after you had said you don't want info to get out, that a user on gfy was selling a script that did this to hundreds of people

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...I've never once received any warning that they were changing programs. Always had to figure it out on my own.

I *did* receive notice on the change last May. I wasn't an affiliate when the site was CCBill, so I can't speak to that one. But either way, WTF does that have to do with the current topic at hand?

I don't know Angel & Vegas as well as Jace, but I find it very difficult to beleive that they'd do anything deliberately deceptive.

[JaceXXX]

also, the more I check this script out, the more I realize it is automated.....it is an automated script grabbing image results from google images

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

also, the more I check this script out, the more I realize it is automated.....it is an automated script grabbing image results from google images

Ignorance (or stupidity for not knowing what the program does) is not a valid excuse.

Just ask Smashing Thumbs & the rest of the "legit" sites that used that SE spamming keyword naming page generating program (nice title, huh?) that stole traffic from every major LL & TGP out there a couple years back.

[JaceXXX]

fine then, I thought we were just having a little discussion, obviously you were arguing.....later

[MM-Vegas]

UW, the image that is hotlinked is pulled by the script from a google search done by the script, everything to the script is automated after it has been set up correctly. I do apologize that this image was hotlinked by the script, it is obvious that I was not intentionally doing this to harm anyone otherwise the script would still be up and running don't you think?

[Useless]

Vegas, all I know is this - I work my ass off to gain every rotten little SE hit I can get. That's why it burns my ball hair to discover someone pulling my potential traffic using black hat trickery. As I stated earlier in the thread, I don't want to reveal everything, but at least one of your pages appears in Google search which should only display pages on my domain. It's black hat and it hurts us all.

[DangerDave]

I was not intentionally doing this to harm anyone otherwise the script would still be up and running don't you think?

So what was your intention..???

If the scripts only purpose is to steal other peoples work and use it for you advantage, what was your intention?

Were you hoping the script would make you a cup of coffee??!.

A SCRIPT on your server controlled by you and working for you IS YOUR RESPONSIBILTY!

If the "naughty script" goes out and steals keywords images and page structures from other peoples site...
YOU ARE THE THIEF not the SCRIPT!

DD

[JaceXXX]

UW, do you know if there is a way to get links manually removed from google without a whole site getting removed? It would be definitely handy in this case