MadMoolah - DirtyDaisy.com
 

Mad Moolah is seriously lacking in ethics.

Go to Google's cache of a page which appears to be owned by someone from Mad Moolah and scroll down until you see the delightful image which reads "You Attempted to Steal a Picture You Could Have Gotten for Free at WhoringWives.com" Yes, MadMoolah is hotlinking pictures from one of their affiliates sites. |thumb

Also, they're cleverly bypassing many sites' hotlink protection by hotlinking their thumbs through Google Images. Nice trick, cocksuckers.

Proof?

WHOIS for freefacialpics.net
WHOIS for madmoolah.com
WHOIS for DirtyDaisy.com
Take notice of the address. :(

http://www.schnaggle.com and http://www.3xgals.com are amongst the victims.

The offending page is http: // freefacialpics . net/stb/DIRTY-DAISY-FREE.html which now redirects to Dirty Daisy's tour.

As you may imagine, I'll be killing off all of my DirtyDaisy promotional pages very soon.

:D
I did some more, albeit simple, digging.

site:freefacialpics.net at Google

These asses have a bunch SE fodder pages now redirecting to DirtyDaisy.com.

How about a nice one for Raven Riley?
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/free-raven-riley.html
Google's cache
and another:
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-hot.html
Google's cache

and so on:
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-xxx.html
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-clip.html
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-foot.html
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-dick.html
http://freefacialpics.net/stb/FREE-R...LEY-MOVIE.html

So I guess Daisy really is dirty.
(I crack myself up)

Nice catch UW |thumb

Hmmm....

Looks like a pretty "karmicly" balanced system to me.

You mentioned that the traffic was being redirected so the only bandwidth that is used is by spiders (and the links from this site). The guy/gal that put up this page gets a little SE traffic and the image hosts get incoming links with a minimum of bandwidth load. Seems pretty fair to me. Plus the images are coming from Google's cache.

If I were going to cry foul it would be toward Google (or Yahoo or even MSN) for even having an image index in the first place.

Seems this guy found a clever way to use Google for his benefit. I have to have some respect for that, but I don;t know that I would call him a cheat, per se.

I just want to point out, I know that script that is being used, and Smokey The Bear on gfy wrote it....

Vegas and Angel are great people who go out of their way to help anyone at any time, I forwarded them this thread, I am 100% positive this will be cleared up in the next few hours

Well, it seems to me that you are an ignorant cunt. Hotlinking is hotlinking. If you are too fucking stupid to see how hotlinking from anyone, let alone your own god damned affiliate, is WRONG - then I'm amazed your brain can handle the processes which keep your filthy little body alive.

They weren't just hotlinking Google Images, they were also hotlinking an image directly from my site - IDIOT.

And how do you address the abuse of Raven Riley keywords and images in order to gain traffic for Dirty Daisy, moron?

Tick tock, tick tock. There is no clearing up to be done. All of the offending pages MUST be removed and then they may go quietly to hell. I don't care for apologies, or the standard sponsor routine of ignorance, denial and finally placing the blame upon some underling or hired help.

They were all 404 when I first read your post yesterday. The redirects you saw could have been due to a general 404 redirect like the one I use. ex: http://www.bevyofbabes.com/this-pg-doesnt-exist.html redirects to the warning page.

wait, now I have questions

this has no images of yours, does it? http://freefacialpics.net/stb/DIRTY-DAISY-FREE.html

also, the only thing you can find is in google cache?

maybe he was doing some testing and pages got indexed?

also, the more I check this script out, the more I realize it is automated.....it is an automated script grabbing image results from google images

Ignorance (or stupidity for not knowing what the program does) is not a valid excuse.

Just ask Smashing Thumbs & the rest of the "legit" sites that used that SE spamming keyword naming page generating program (nice title, huh?) that stole traffic from every major LL & TGP out there a couple years back.

Testing what, hotlinking directly from me? Google's cache is all the evidence I need. At one point, they were obviously hotlinking an image from one of my pages - NOT via Google Image results - which is still wrong. Lazy bastards. Google's cache quite clearly displays their attempt to hotlink the image at this URL. They had that linked to my image, not to the gallery page itself. No surfer would ever see my page, just my stolen image.

Whether or not they altered the page to no longer hotlink my image is neither here nor there. A page of theirs remains live which robs me of SE traffic. I'm not going into detail because I don't want to teach this trick to more theiving bastards.

Actually, SmokeyTheBear on GFY is selling copies of this script on gfy, calling "Blackhat SEO Script", I think Blake was playing it for a while and never really did anything with it...he is asleep now though, so I won't speak for him, but I truely beleive this was something he played with for a while and never developed anything

if he is someone you have been working with in the past, why not go to him first and figure it out?

if you look at the url, it even says stb as the directory, so I know for a fact this was just him playing with shit

also, check out the other results
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...e7&rlz=1I7GGLJ

they ALL 404 now, so it very well could have been him playing with the script during a google update, the pages got cached and indexed, and he pulled it all down a week later

I am not making excuses for him, but I KNOW Vegas is a good guy, and with the recent events that have happened to him and Angel, the LAST thing he would EVER do to anyone is fuck anyone over or be shady

Jeezy Creezy pudding pie! I've never heard of SmokeyTheBear and certainly have never worked with him and I'm not sure why you'd assume that I had.

The offending domain is registered to the same address as MadMoolah.com and DirtyDaisy.com. They are at fault. Therefore, they've lost my 10 hits per day. :D

And 404ing to their own Dirty Daisy promotional page is a good thing, when they are using the name "Raven Riley" as their primary keyword phrase on many of those pages?

I don't know Vegas and Angel and I don't know about their personal lives. I know that their site has been juggled from sponsor to sponsor and I know that I signed up to promote them back when they were still just CCBill. Any page I have promoting them was built before they started the juggling process and I've had to change the linking codes a couple of times, though I've never once received any warning that they were changing programs. Always had to figure it out on my own.

BTW - I don't post at GFY, nor do I bathe in a mixture of shit and vomit, so please don't assume that I know everything the surfmasters at GFY know. ;)

now, come on, where did you see my saying that? I was just informing you, after you had said you don't want info to get out, that a user on gfy was selling a script that did this to hundreds of people

That's what I'm getting from this statement:
Are we to continue arguing this nonsense or what? I don't see where you even figure into this picture.

SOMEONE from MadMoolah clearly hotlinked my image, abused my domain name in the process, and used another much more popular personality's name in order to steal SE traffic. If you keep playing this squirrelly game of half-ass defending them, I'm going to have to tell you to fuck yourself - because I really don't have time for this shit. I could be watching tv!

I *did* receive notice on the change last May. I wasn't an affiliate when the site was CCBill, so I can't speak to that one. But either way, WTF does that have to do with the current topic at hand?

I don't know Angel & Vegas as well as Jace, but I find it very difficult to beleive that they'd do anything deliberately deceptive.

fine then, I thought we were just having a little discussion, obviously you were arguing.....later

I say we wait to see what they have to say & then we can go from there, because all anyone is doing in here (myself included) is speculating.

Must have been the ghost which haunts MadMoolah's office.

Am I imagining all of this? Am I lying? It could be my unbalanced and unmedicated paranoia, but every time someone defends the people, or the actions of the people who have cheated me, I feel like I'm the one being accused of the wrong-doing. This may call for a group hug in order for me to regain my bearing.

No, I don't think you're imagining it or lying. My past experience with Angel and Vegas just makes me think there's most likely a reasonable explanation.

I’m not here to give a “standardized” sponsor answer, but simply to tell you what happened, whether you chose to take that at face value is your choice since it’s obvious that you have an issue with us and our program…which incidentally was sold Dirty Daisy back in March of last year so how was it our responsibility to notify you that we had been sold the site? I would imagine the selling party would have e-mailed you, and know for a fact that they did send out a standardized e-mail as it ended up on the boards a week later.

Anyhow back to the point at hand, yes this was an seo script that is the same script being sold by STB on GFY. I was attempting to make use of the script and after a week or two of playing with it found I neither had the time nor energy to make it work correctly. However, since you seem not to know what this script is, it automatically will build a page depending on what a surfer types in, if someone types in Raven it will pull from googles images pictures of raven that, when clicked on, will go to the image themselves. If your image was linked to it was done so because it was indexed in Google’s images.

I had intended to make some use of the script through more research but have found, as I stated above, I neither have the time nor energy to play with it and tweak it to work correctly and have pulled it from my server. Cached pages…well I can do nothing about those. Anyhow it’s obvious that you are not going to be satisfied with any explanation given but there it is.

How about a fucking apology, you hotlinking cocksucker?

All you've explained is that you are an irresponsible fucking idiot. I had no issue with your program until I discovered that you were attempting to HOTLINK AN IMAGE DIRECTLY FROM MY SITE. I may be able to get beyond you hotlinking images from Google, but you were quite clearly hotlinking an image from my site. http://www.uselesswarrior.com/dirtydaisy-source.gif Look at your code:
Was that the reasonable explanation you were hoping for? Would you, if it were you, consider that to be acceptable?

UW, the image that is hotlinked is pulled by the script from a google search done by the script, everything to the script is automated after it has been set up correctly. I do apologize that this image was hotlinked by the script, it is obvious that I was not intentionally doing this to harm anyone otherwise the script would still be up and running don't you think?

LOL, make up your mind

it was an honest mistake man, he gave you a perfectly reasonable response....anyone looking in with an unbiased view would think you might be making a little more out of this than necessary

Vegas, all I know is this - I work my ass off to gain every rotten little SE hit I can get. That's why it burns my ball hair to discover someone pulling my potential traffic using black hat trickery. As I stated earlier in the thread, I don't want to reveal everything, but at least one of your pages appears in Google search which should only display pages on my domain. It's black hat and it hurts us all. :(

UW, do you know if there is a way to get links manually removed from google without a whole site getting removed? It would be definitely handy in this case

WHO THE FUCK IS EVEN TALKING TO YOU? Do you know who I am? DO YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM??? Okay, so I'm nobody, but that's not the point. |club|

Purchasing and employing a black hat SEO script is not an honest mistake.

BTW, anyone with an unbiased view who takes the side of an SE spammer can go fuck themselves. Especially you, Jace. Go fuck yourself.

Too late, I've reported it via Google's spam report. Homie don't play.

So what was your intention..???

If the scripts only purpose is to steal other peoples work and use it for you advantage, what was your intention?

Were you hoping the script would make you a cup of coffee??!.

A SCRIPT on your server controlled by you and working for you IS YOUR RESPONSIBILTY!

If the "naughty script" goes out and steals keywords images and page structures from other peoples site...
YOU ARE THE THIEF not the SCRIPT!

DD

You can do it thru their webmaster tools section after you register yourself & prove it's your domain.

I guess I'm not unbiased then.

So I don't get it. Are you saying that the hotlinking of these images without a link to their hosted location was only a side effect of the script not being set up correctly? If so - much like DD - I'd be very curious as to the harmless intent of a "Blackhat SEO Script".

Where do you get off coming at me that way? You are nothing more than a keyboard commando with an obvious lack of understanding of how the world works.

I assure you that if you knew me or anything about me you would take a much different approach. I strongly encourage you to address me in a different manner in the future.

Now, let's address your statements...

Let me understand this... DirtyDaisy provided you with free content to promote and then you get your thong in a twist because that content appeared in a Google scrape. Ok, the simple solution for you, if this is really bothering you is to A) put hot link protection on your site. B) use the robots.txt file to insure that none of your precious SPONSOR PROVIDED content gets into the index.

I covered this in the original post but since it is obvious that you are a short-bus'er I will cover it again and this time I will type slowly.

In every one of your examples the originating site has a link back to the image location. Anyone with even medium intellect can see that the originating sites are getting tons of inbound links where they would not otherwise.

Take a pill get over this and refrain from calling me the same names that you mother calls you.

UW - the easiest way to take care of this is to report the issue to Google using the spam report located inside the webmasters tools area (the login sction) as these actually get read - the offending domain should get removed from Google within a day or two
Secondly, and more importantly, while I see both sides as I know how those scripts work and they do scrape the links that Google has pointing back to your site, you are very correct in that if someone does something whether intentional or not (although in this case the use of a tool like that makes it intentional no matter what) - they are held responsible the same way any program is for anything that is outside the relationship boundries we tend to develop in the biz.

This is very similar to what one sponsor has been doing for many years (Dave will back me up on this one) and still does it to this day - which has led to that sponsor being blacklisted many places (although they are evidently going out of business now) and the loss of many WMs promoting them.

smokey here .

I'm the guy who created this script.

Let me start off by saying this was a one time sale to a select group of people ( i.e. under 20 ) that have this script..

I should also explain what this script does..

It scours the web for videos using PUBLIC api's from various se's like google and yahoo.

In essence it combined the ability of google images google video yahoo images and yahoo video into one search engine.

The content is pulled much the same way google pulls its content for its own se..

with one BIG BIG difference..


Here is an example of my script in action

http://www.smokeycash.com/bh/fiona-apple.html

it links to each image or video directly , in addition it shows a random image/video "inline" as a top result" , under these top results are backlink to the owner of the content.. so im giving credit to each and every owner of the content show inline..

After looking thru the copy i notice this portion was deleted in the copy he was given from the template..

The entire script is template driven so as to allow easy manipulation of the page layout..

There is a built in ability to have certain sites "banned" from being displayed if the need arises.

In cases like this i like to leave it up to the program owner to decide what to do . If someone doesnt want their content displayed honestly we dont need it and isnt worth the hassle , im always glad to not list your media on the site hru the ban database.

but i should remind you , google and yahoo api's are publicly available and being used.. and they DONT give you a backlink , wheras my site does..

Black hat = BAD
Sorry to here about the penis destruction pills, UW |couch|.

i take full responsobility as i gave him the template with the missing credit in the template , but i assure you, i built this script with webmasters in mind.

you know, I just noticed, and I didn't before, that the script actually does give a link back....LOL...jesus, I have never seen someone complain about getting a free one way link, the time are a changin I guess

and just to clarify, from my standpoint, this isn't really "black hat" at all.....

The people complaining (at least as far as my research on this board shows) would complain about the rain and sunny weather.

Seems like I pointed that out the link back in the beginning and was called some rather unflattering names for which I am still awaiting an apology.

My guess is that once people begin to see the actual way this script works the vocal minority will fade into the woodwork like all keyboard commandos.

i think you sir, have hit the nail on the head

http://www.smokeycash.com/bh/useless-warrior.html