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2008-08-26, 10:19 AM | #1 |
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What makes a good Sponsor Hosted RSS Feed
I'm going to compare my results from two different sponsors Rage Cash and Pimproll
I just discovered 3 days ago that Rage Cash is adding RSS Feeds again, the new feeds are different because of NATS Rage Cash since Dee Cash took over Raw 5628 Unique 4790 Sales 5 Conversion ration 1:958 $175.00 Pimproll (for the year) Raw 47729 Unique 40215 Sales 4 Conversion Ration 1:10053 $125 The way I see it Pimproll is making three major mistakes 1, tables (they screw up my CSS) 2, SEO taking advantage of keywords,title and alt tags etc. 3, links go to the paysite instead of a gallery
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2008-08-26, 03:49 PM | #2 |
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My biggest bitch if your going to provide feeds learn something about blogging. Believe it or not there is more to it than just writing 250 words worth of crap and throwing up a couple of links. Write an interesting story Optimize your text. It makes no sense to use the models name 3 times and the keyword once. Update regularly. No picture above 400 px on the wide side. Everyone of the themes I use are 3 column and you fuck up my blog with your big ass pictures. No formatting of any kind especially tables. If you feel you must format your feed cause you like the way it looks, learn CSS and provide your CSS info for the feed. That way I can at least make an attempt to blend in your formatting with my blog. No more blind links. "she was a little turned on when she pulled the stockings over her legs" and linked is blind as fuck and interferes with the effectiveness of my tags. I hate morphed feeds. I want people to think I can actually speak the language. Please offer non-morphed as well Stop using item / description for your post information. This should be for a short description of what the post is about. WP uses the first 3 lines of text (about I never really counted). Item / content encoded is where your UNFORMATTED post information should be. Yes, I know that will piss a few people off as it was originally done to accomodate using mainstream WP aggregators for RSS Fed adult blogs. First, it causes more problems than it solved. Second now your feed can only be used to create more splogs. If done properly the smarter affiliates can find mainstream tools that will work with your feed and do a better job of promoting you. Under channel / link put my webmaster referral link and not the link to the blog. The only way someone ever sees this information is if I want them too. If your going to provide feeds, learn about blogging. There is a time to link to a FHG, there is a time to link to a model page, there is a time to link directly to the tour and believe it or not there is even a time to link directly to the join page. I know there are some more, these are the ones that just come off the top of my head. |
2008-08-26, 04:34 PM | #3 |
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I bitched in another thead that I am working on a blog with a black background, and they formatted their text with black text and blue links. WTF? Don't provide font color formatting in your links! Needless to say, I turned them off in the BA.
Walrus, you make great points. Hope the sponsors are tuning into this thread.
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2008-08-26, 04:42 PM | #4 |
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You already mentioned a few things a lot of sponsors get wrong. For some reason a lot don't seem to realize that there is no way they can do any styling in advance that won't break the layout of someone's blog. The best thing sponsors can provide is just good text and large (but not too large) photos, with the links in the post pointed to wherever the affiliate selects in the sponsor's promo tools admin. Choice could be linked to gallery with pics, or mpg, or wmv, or update page, tour page, join page, etc.
If a sponsor can't offer choices for where the affiliate wants to send a surfer who clicks the photo or text link in rss feed post, then I agree with TPat that it's usually better to send the surfer to a hosted gallery instead of directly to a tour page. We've tested linking direct to tour and updates pages and so far those don't seem to convert as well. I prefer sponsors to use larger photos in place of the small thumbnails some are using now. Or at least give webmasters a choice of photo sizes. I really don't like using tiny photos on blogs. Thumbnails are for galleries and TGP pages. Blogs need photos that are much larger. I was using around 400px wide as my standard for awhile but recently I'm using pics as large as 525px wide on 3-column (flexible) layouts. Like with choosing where the links in the posts point, affilates should be given a choice of photo sizes in the sponsor's rss feeds admin. Many sponsors don't seem to know that most if not all blog designs are done with CSS in a "table-less" style. Some of our blogs are even coded to strict xhtml standards. So any extra code a sponsor puts into a post can really screw things up. They just need to give us the raw content so we can format and style it the way we want/need for each blog. Posts in sponsor feeds should never contain any styling or formatting of any kind whatsoever. There should never be any code for tables, or blockquotes, or for borders, or alignment or color, and definitely no inline CSS styling code of any kind. No H1, H2 or H3 tags in the body of the post please. Also, there's no need for any extra break tags, particularly not between the closing of the image tag and the closing anchor tag. And many need to learn to use self-closing break tags. As Walrus mentioned, sponsors need to stop linking a bunch of text in every post to their tour or gallery. Neither we nor our surfers need to be given half-a-dozen or more text links all pointing to the same place in every 200-word post. Ideally a sponsor feed won't need to be touched at all and the posts can just be set to appear on a regular basis with no intervention by anyone needed. Feeds with posts which require editing are marked as 'pending' here and none of the posts are used until someone has time to go in and edit each post by hand -- which unfortunately means that sponsor's posts won't appear on our first pages as often as they could otherwise. Which translates to lower sales for those sponsors, so there really is a big benefit for the sponsors who get it right. Besides, offering RSS feeds which are mostly unusable is just
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In cases where a blog post is actually about the paysite, it makes sense to link to the tour, and if you've really pre-sold the site better than the tour does, it works to link direct to the join page (or the page right before the join if the sponsor offers that option). My comment really was more directed to sponsor-supplied feeds. In blogs you populate with content on your own, there are a variety of things you can do.
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If the post/blog has all the information the surfer requires to be ready to buy a membership, link to the join page. If the post/blog is about a specific model, link to a gallery (or BYOT tour) featuring that model. If the post/blog is about the "site" in general, link to the tour. And IMO, don't be afraid to mix it up. And thanks for sharing "the top of your head" |
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- <rss version="2.0"> − <channel> <title>Site Title</title> <atom:link Site RSS Feed Link /> <link>Link to Site</link> <description>Site Description</description> <pubDate>Date Post Published </pubDate> <generator>What Script Generated the Feed</generator> <language> Language </language> − <item> − <title>Title of Post </title> −<link> Link to Post </link> − <comments> Link to comments page </comments> <pubDate> Date and Time Post Published</pubDate> <dc:creator> Who Wrote the Post</dc:creator> <category> First Category of Post</category> <category> Second Category </category> <category> Third Category</category> − <guid isPermaLink="false"> Link to Post </guid> − <description> SUMMER VENGEANCE MATCH SYD BLACK The NightmareHT: 5′2WT: 115lbsLifetime record (7-2)Ranked 1st Darling Th GrapplerHT: 5′4WT: 119lbsLifetime record (9-4)Ranked 4th Welcome to the second annual Summer Vengeance elimination tournament where the top sixteen Season Five wrestlers battle it out to see who will be the overall Ultimate Surrender champion for 2008. This is the edited version of the [...] </description> − <content:encoded> <p><a href="http://www.ultimatesurrender.com/php/redirect.php?9808:revshare" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://ads.ultimatesurrender.com/imagedb/5664/i/h/125/1.jpg" width="125" height="125" border="0"/ /></a><br/><br /><b>SUMMER VENGEANCE MATCH</b><br /> <table cellpadding="10px"> <tr> <td width="50%" valign="top" align="left"><b><u>SYD BLACK</u></b> <br />The Nightmare<br />HT: 5′2<br />WT: 115lbs<br />Lifetime record (7-2)<br />Ranked 1st</td> <td width="50%" valign="top" align="left"><b><u>Darling</u></b> <br />Th Grappler<br />HT: 5′4<br />WT: 119lbs<br />Lifetime record (9-4)<br />Ranked 4th</td> </tr> </table> <p><br/>Welcome to the second annual Summer Vengeance elimination tournament where the top sixteen Season Five wrestlers battle it out to see who will be the overall Ultimate Surrender champion for 2008. <br/><br/>This is the edited version of the match that was presented live to members last Tuesday night. <br/><br/>If you missed the live broadcast and somehow missed the streaming link, here is your chance to see what happened last Tuesday night as hundreds of members watched this match unfold live before their eyes. <br/><br/>Join today for the only non-scripted real sexual wresting on the net!<br /></p> </content:encoded> − <wfw:commentRss> Comments RSS Feed </wfw:commentRss> </item> </channel> </rss> What I would love to see here is that the link information under the channel heading would be my referral code and not a link to the blog. Of course this would benefit me because I know how to extract that information. Most aggregators ignore it. Everything from <item> to </item> is post information. Most of it is self explainitory. You can see that the description is just the first section of the content:encode section, as it should be. Content:Encode is the post information. See all that table shit and formatting. Assholes Because mainstreamers consider it bad manners (theft) to use the complete feed, most / many of the WP aggregators only read the description. Some dumbass porn mongor convinced a number of sponsors that they needed to put the post information in the description area so he could use RSS feeds. IMHO The problem is a lot of the WP aggregators seem to throw up when they run across shit like tables and text formatting in this area. This is why you get some WP plug-ins that work with some feeds, don't work with others, will work sometimes and not others etc. So in other words, someone who wanted a band-aid fix created a cluster fuck which makes Kaktus some cash. PS KAKTUS - See all those <category> tags in the feed, turn them into tags for me, PLEASE The correct answer way back then would have been for someone to actually have written a plug-in that read the content:encode area. So just use BA, problem solved.... except that there are many other mainstream tools that would be nice to be able to use that also puke when they get shit in item / description. So sponsors who do that limit, me their marketing arm, in how I can actually use their feeds. Quote:
I usually try to link to the tour early in the post and to the join page toward the end of the post. But that's a kind of general guide line that probably gets followed about 20% of the time. The rest of the time I pretty much play it by ear and do what I think will work best with the post. Pretty scientific Can I have the top of my head back now |
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2008-08-27, 12:10 AM | #9 |
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Sure, but after reading all that.....
twice I think I need my head back... Great feedback - If I can even get 1/2 of it right, I should have a pretty decent feed. |
2008-08-27, 09:57 AM | #10 |
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The only formatting that I like is the image being aligned either left or right WITHIN the post text. An image hovering above the entire body of the post looks sloppy and amateurish to me.
Like Walrus, I prefer that the images do not go above 400px. Gallery thumbs are often too small, but if the image gets too large, not only does it endanger your layout, it also begins to look too splog-ish to me. I prefer that the thumb, and perhaps one text link within the post, be linked to a gallery - not the tour. I usually don't like links to a sponsor blog because the blog itself tends be where the affiliate ID gets lost. I know I've bitched about this before, but bloggers don't seem to notice that a great many feeds have links which don't carry their aff. ID and sponsor-hosted blogs are often riddled with traffic leaks. I HATE feed posts written in the first person for the same reason that I hate first person free site and gallery descriptions. My readers are reading from my point of view, not a porn star's or a camera man's. The post should be a semi-honest account of what will be seen on the gallery and not too fantastical. If they open the gallery after reading the post and wonder what the hell you were talking about, the illusion/fantasy is dead. Morphing makes everyone sound retarded and it is COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.
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2008-08-27, 12:42 PM | #11 |
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Just as a clarification, I'm not talking about in-line CSS
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2008-08-27, 11:25 AM | #12 |
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RedCherry if your only going to have one link going out I would make it go to a gallery, let the surfer get a little hotter before sending them to a tour that might or might not have more photos of the girl that got them to click the link in the first place.
Morphing is using synonyms for key words. They just don't read right "She was wearing chocolate lingerie" just doesn't work for black lingerie
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2008-08-27, 11:31 AM | #13 | |
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And Simon, I know you were talking about sponsor feeds, but since I'm my own sponsor, any help to sell my sites better is always appreciated too.
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2008-08-27, 11:33 AM | #14 |
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One thing I've noticed on some sponsor feeds, especially ones that give like 6 pics on a post, is I think they give too much away. I think some foreplay or teasing pics would be better, then showing a sample of everything including the cumshot (unless the site is in the cumshot niche I guess).
Is this just because I'm a woman and for me teasing gets me wound up more, or do you guys think the same thing? Seems to me a few teasing pics would get a surfer more likely to click then "well I've seen a sample of all there is to see" set of pics.
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At least do the tease on the blogs sponsors, give the guys/gals a reason to click.
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2008-08-27, 11:55 AM | #17 |
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Maybe the galleries linked-to from sponsor blog posts convert better because the content is doing a better job than the sponsor's horrific writing skills.
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The one thing I am positive of is I get more sales if the surfer is sent to a gallery first and not the tour. A sponsor that really got it is Extreme John, I've been told that he is still doing the RSS Feeds for Rage Cash, I hope Dee Cash takes notes
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I just looked at http://www.homeofthegirlnextdoor.com/ I really think you will get more bang for your effort if you send them to a gallery from the images rather than just a larger image
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2008-08-27, 12:07 PM | #21 |
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2008-08-27, 05:26 PM | #22 |
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excellent thread. I'm trying to get to where I'm updating one of my sponsor feeds once a week. I'll read over everything in this one more time before I make my next post.
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2008-08-28, 08:53 AM | #23 |
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Just a few things I forgot to mention before.
Exclamation Points!!! (actually I mean UNneeded Exclamation Points!!!) I wish sponsors would hire writers who understand how to construct a sentence or sentence fragment which actually exclaims something. But instead they hire writers who stick exclamation points--including multiple exclamation points--at the end of sentences where they oh so clearly do not belong. I've seen posts with every sentence ending with an exclamation point (can you believe it?!). Sponsors should just stop using exclamation points in their posts and they'll be way ahead compared to trying to figure out where to use one (since in most cases they shouldn't be using one at all). You can only cry "wolf!!!" so many times with no wolf there before readers stop believing you. Border="1" | ="0" Sponsors need to stop putting border attributes in their image tags. Some blogs want borders around images. Some blogs don't. Don't try to make design decisions in advance for your affiliates. You're going to be wrong and it will cost you sales. TESTING the RSS Feeds Sponsors really need to create some test blogs and use all of the most popular RSS feed management plugins and stand-alone scripts to load their own feeds into the test blogs. They'll be amazed at the end result in many cases. One very popular sponsor puts the link to the hosted gallery in the title of the blog post, which is fine on their own blog where the title link stays as they put it. But feed that post to another blog and the title of the post is now automatically linked by WordPress to the post page and the link to the hosted gallery is now nowhere in the post and the only links in the post go to the main tour page. (Once I caught this and started fixing it manually my signups with that program more than tripled).
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wow, that is really interesting reading for me, I learn many new things, and will try to implement that in my feeds.
I am really sorry if this look like shameless spam, or thread hijack, but I really need honest criticism for my feeds in order to make them better. There is not much post, just started them, but still there is enough material for review. http://www.justlesbiankiss.com/ http://www.justlesbiankiss.com/feed/ and http://www.shemalepornostar.com/ http://www.shemalepornostar.com/feed/
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It does seem like shameless spam but I'll take you at your word that was not the intention.
Since your using WP to format your feed, I'll have no problems with the that and the amount of text is pretty good. The title of your post is "Romantic lesbian action" but nowhere in the body of that post does that phrase repeat itself. Since "sexy lesbian sluts" is used early in the body of your post and bolded it would have been a much better title if you hadn't linked it to your FHG. Also if you know someone who speaks english as a first language it would be nice to have them edit your posts. It's not bad but for an American it reads a little rough. I wouldn't use them as I'm a bit of a snob...and don't like to edit posts. Others may not be as snobbish and use them though |
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