Hoes - 30 sites per category?

[Jel]

Not sure if I'm just getting lost here, but I can't find the cfnm category, and looking at other categories, I'm seeing only 30 links to freesites/blogs per page - is that indeed the case?

[JustRobert]

I noticed the same thing about a month ago, actually if my memory is correct they were listing 40 with no archives/page2 so I guess they dropped it some more.

[Fonz]

Wow, another one that's going in another SE direction?

[bDok]

for awhile it was 25 for awhile I believe. It's in flux I guess.

[Useless]

As much as limiting links per category via pagination or expiration may seem sucky to submitters, it's an intelligent SEO move for a link list owner. (I believe Google stated that they'd like to see less than 100 external links per page.) Let's face it, everything we do is spammy and we're dying out there.

[nekrom]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

As much as limiting links per category via pagination or expiration may seem sucky to submitters, it's an intelligent SEO move for a link list owner. (I believe Google stated that they'd like to see less than 100 external links per page.) Let's face it, everything we do is spammy and we're dying out there.

It's great for a site owner, so long as webmasters keep submitting though.

-N

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by nekrom

It's great for a site owner, so long as webmasters keep submitting though.

-N

Actually if you're doing better with SE you don't need more than a handful of quality submitters to keep your content fresh. More than a handful can mean less to your bottom line if it affects SE in a bad way.
And if you're doing well as a LL owner with SE, your submitters will be happier.

[LD]

Do they rotate the sites, or do they just sink to bottom forever...?

[NY Jester]

I guess I feel much better that they list each of mine then.

[SmithsMedia]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

I guess I feel much better that they list each of mine then.

Must be hard being so perfect......I fee for you

[Simon]

I do understand why it might be good for SEO, but I hadn't noticed that before. I remember there being a lot more free sites listed on each category page. And didn't there used to be a way to get to 'more' of the free sites listings?

I'm wondering what happens to the submitted free sites that webmasters invest their time to build and submit...are they just displayed until they're pushed off those 30 available slots by new submissions? That might not take more than a few days with popular categories.

Does anyone remember a thread about whether Link Lists keep the submitted sites listed forever, adding them to archive pages accessible to the surfers, or just delete them from their databases after some period of time? I'm going to look for it, but if you remember/find it, please let me know. I think the time-value of a submitted link may be another important consideration in creating recip groupings in the future.

UW said "...limiting links per category via pagination or expiration may seem sucky to submitters, it's an intelligent SEO move for a link list owner" and I agree that doing this via pagination could be a good thing, it's the idea of 'expiration' that troubles me. It just seems a bit strange/unfair to insist on webmasters taking the time to build quality free sites if they're only to have a life-expectancy of a few days.

Is it just me who thinks that?

[pc]

Originally Posted by Simon

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Does anyone remember a thread about whether Link Lists keep the submitted sites listed forever, adding them to archive pages accessible to the surfers, or just delete them from their databases after some period of time? I'm going to look for it, but if you remember/find it, please let me know. I think the time-value of a submitted link may be another important consideration in creating recip groupings in the future. ...

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...esites+forever

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...esites+forever

Originally Posted by Simon

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Is it just me who thinks that?

NO

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Simon

Is it just me who thinks that?

Absolutely not. My earlier post was merely to explain to those who may be confused about why a link list owner would do that. Marc, the owner of Hoes, is big on experimentation, so it wouldn't be a big surprise to see him continuously change the number of links being displayed on a single category page just to gauge the reaction of Google et al.

[Sven800]

I list sites until they start redirecting. But then I don't get all that much traffic when compared to Hoes...

[RedCherry]

Originally Posted by Sven800

I list sites until they start redirecting. But then I don't get all that much traffic when compared to Hoes...

All my link lists list forever until they redirect or go 404. We have had a TON go 404 and redirect in the past month, way more than normal. I think a lot of people are getting out of the biz, or letting some of their domains go and scaling back.

[mb]

So sorry I haven't been reading this board lately. I would have responded much quicker than this. Let me explain what's going on with hoes.com...

Firstly, yes, I'm experimenting with the number of links per page. Secondly, yes, links are rotated in from the archive twice a day.

Here is what this does...

1. New sites get alot more traffic than before because the competition to click on other links is minimized. New sites are listed for 7 days.

2. Old sites still get exposure because I NEVER delete them unless they scam me with redirection. I have some free sites listed from 2001.

3. I'm avoiding looking like a link dump in the eyes of the SEs which helps assure a more long term relationship with them.

Another reason I'm experimenting is because Hoes.com is about to undergo a massive transformation. Something not seen yet in adult. It will become a hybrid adult/mainstream hub. This will bring in alot of fresh traffic to your free sites from sources you haven't seen before. More traffic will come to you over time and even better quality traffic. So I'm preparing the site and my surfers for this change slowly. Part of that meant limiting the number of free sites on the page to make room for the other things.

Thanks for understanding. I'm not abandoning the free site owners. You are the bread and butter of hoes.com and the reason it is where it is today. Just evolving.

marc

[Useless]

Originally Posted by mb

2. Old sites still get exposure because I NEVER delete them unless they scam me with redirection. I have some free sites listed from 2001.

I can attest to that. A friend (LeRoy) hit me up on ICQ the other day asking how long ago it was that I stopped building free sites. (It's been well over a year.) Then he gave me the link to Hoes' group sex page and sure enough, one of my old free sites was listed amongst the 30.

[mb]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I can attest to that. A friend (LeRoy) hit me up on ICQ the other day asking how long ago it was that I stopped building free sites. (It's been well over a year.) Then he gave me the link to Hoes' group sex page and sure enough, one of my old free sites was listed amongst the 30.

Perfect... thanks for validating my claim!

marc

[Simon]

Thanks pclit

Looks like one thread from 2004 and one from 2005.

Might be time for a new thread to see who does what in 2009.

Heading over to read those threads and make some notes.

[bDok]

the 30 that are there I believe are rotated out. So one day you are on the page and the next you might be on the archive page. The new links are up there for a couple days or something straight.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by bDok

the 30 that are there I believe are rotated out. So one day you are on the page and the next you might be on the archive page. The new links are up there for a couple days or something straight.

I know there's a "new links" page with maybe 200 free sites listed from the last few days of updates. When you're first listed your site appears on the "new links" page in addition to the category page.

But I really need some help finding those "archive" pages you mention. I can find the category pages just fine, and those have just the 30 free sites listed, but I can't find any links anywhere to archived listings.

Can you, or anyone else, show me where there are archived older free sites linked from somewhere?

[bDok]

looks like the archive pages are gone as of right now. appears to be another test of something or other.

[Pagan]

Hoes.com has been popular for years, and surfers know that they can always get good porn there. I do know surfers can go through 30 links in less than an hour. If your link list doesn't offer what the surfer wants, he will go elsewhere and the traffic will go down sharply. If you have a well established reputation (like Hoes.Com) is SEO really nirvana? I thought building attractive sites that sell was the goal here, not the almighty SEO.

You can blow through 30 fresh freesites in a day in the popular categories. Great for surfers in one way because the sites are always fresh. But what about the guy that saw something cool and wants to show his buddies that next weekend? Too bad, it's gone. A lot of the quality builders only submit to 12 or 16 or 20 link lists. If a site is going to drop off that fast, why waste prime real estate?

Marc, don't get me wrong. I love your site and have submitted to you (and been accepted) for years now. You do send awesome traffic and run a beautiful site. What happens next month when Google decides that sites should have 100 links per page and you don't have quality submitters anymore? What happens when your visitors don't find enough to keep them entertained and move onto a site with more links?

[LeRoy]

I've been watching this thread for a while now. I've even drafted 2 posts and deleted them.

As a newbie all I can say is roll with the punches. It is what it is kinda thing. I've promoted Movie Room and I've submitted to Hoes pretty diligently for the last year.

Marc has brought me good sales to my projects where others here felt more comfortable taking shit on me.

Recently I went to Marc promoting my new venture @ DTI. Which he started to bring traffic and sales right away. So In my case love begets love.

A few months ago I thought to myself. "Should I replace that recip" on that freesite which has been scrolled out with my own link list recip? I looked at my stats and surfed the LL's in search for answers. The only thing I can come up with is leave them as is and build more more more.

Link List and freesite traffic is slowly dying and losing steam to the tubes. I see a lot of submitters and LL's owners leaving the biz. This just plain sux and there's no real solution accept for what Marc is doing. That being... list the freesites for a short while and create those one way back links. Hoping the almighty Google will bump you up. If you think about it that does benefit the submitters new listings. When a surfer finds your freesite while searching googles top rankings and clicks on Hoes. Who benefits?

I think most of us including me forget to realize that it's free to submit to the biggies. So we should stop bitchin and be grateful. Has anyone played the TGP game? Speak up if you do and list your monthly invoices from Submit Passes or whoever. I dare you. DTI just plopped 700.00 today for a just a few passes.

In conclusion my answer to my own question is that it's Marc's list and what he chooses to do with it ..is his own biz. I will back him up just like I would back up everyone else around here. That's just my gut feeling on this one. As a submitter as a webmaster and as an affiliate manager.

[RedCherry]

Originally Posted by LeRoy

I think most of us including me forget to realize that it's free to submit to the biggies. So we should stop bitchin and be grateful. Has anyone played the TGP game? Speak up if you do and list your monthly invoices from Submit Passes or whoever. I dare you. DTI just plopped 700.00 today for a just a few passes.

Yes, I started doing paid submits for TGPs about a year ago, and find I get better returns on my investment of time than LLs. Go figure, I never thought that would be the case.

This past month I've scaled back on my purchases due to budget reasons, but I hope within a few months to be back up to spending about $250/month on paid submits which is what I have been averaging for about a year.