"Epic Cash" banned on PenisBot.com

kit · 2004-03-14, 11:28 AM

Hello all!
New small rule:
Sites promoting "Epic Cash" sponsor will NOT be listed on PenisBot.com.

Also we terminated them on all our sites and services (freehostedgalleries.com , porninspector.com , master-x.com , etc.)

sickkittens · 2004-03-14, 07:21 PM

What was the reasoning behind this? Just curious.

caringneo · 2004-03-15, 07:57 AM

Hi Kit,
I am not using ********. But would like to know if there is something really wrong wih that sponsor. I have DD stopped listing flashcash because they use dialers for Australian surfers.

What happened in this case?

Neo

Ramster · 2004-03-15, 10:04 AM

I'd bet it's that they do not allow webmasters from various countries to promote them. It happens a lot. If a webmaster is from Country A and that country is not allowed to join the program, they won't list the sites, ect.

kit · 2004-03-15, 10:26 AM

1) We had problems with getting payments from them. They owe me for Sep-Nov 2003 periods.
2) Our account was terminated without any notes and after talking by icq I found reason: "You're not profitable for us."

So, I think there is time to terminate them on all our resources too with the same reason.

plateman · 2004-03-15, 10:56 AM

thanks for the heads up kit will write them down to a list of "do not signup with sponsors"

Ramster · 2004-03-15, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kit
1) We had problems with getting payments from them. They owe me for Sep-Nov 2003 periods.
2) Our account was terminated without any notes and after talking by icq I found reason: "You're not profitable for us."

Sponsors like that are idiots. You are not profitable for us? Fine, email me that you are cancelling my account and pay me what you owe me that I HONESTLY earned according to your terms!

caringneo · 2004-03-15, 12:52 PM

If they feel that a site like penisbot is not profitable for them, I wonder what will they think of small webmasters. They didn't have my country in their approve list. So I haven't signed up for them. |rasta|
Neo

kit · 2004-03-15, 02:12 PM

There was mentioned some stats for the last time:
27 signups / 23 cancells = 750$ losts for Epic Cash.
I don't know, how we can give 82% cancells rate from the clear links on PenisBot.com. We do not use even banners for Epic Cash promoting, only links like here:

http://www.penisbot.com/pay.html
+ their hosted sites links.

So, 82% cancells rate looks unbelivable. May be they can't offer something really good inside of members area?
But, I terminated them on our resources not for this. The reason is: I don't want to work with them due to their bad business style.

security_man · 2004-03-15, 02:56 PM

with the visa regs a lot of paypersignup sponsors are gonna be looking more and more closely at cancellation ratios now so everyone needs to keep an eye on this with any pps sponsors

it does sound odd that yours would be that high kit so i dont blame you a bit on that score. that alone is reason enough imho and add to that their not letting you know or even moving you to a revshare program is fuckin BULLshit, not to mention the fact that they owe you money.

thanks for the info on why this happend

MrMaryLou · 2004-03-15, 05:03 PM

Must be a case of nothing in the back end

flyeruk · 2004-03-23, 04:28 AM

I've just implemented the same rule on Clixxx4porn.

They did the same to me.

1. Cancelled my account without even bothering to tell me.
2. Still owe me money.

I was sending se/ppc/linklist traffic and when they did finally answer my emails, I was told I had a high chargeback ratio.

Took me a few days to remove their links, time that could have been better spent on worthwhile sponsors

Lisa

doublep · 2004-03-23, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kit
There was mentioned some stats for the last time:
27 signups / 23 cancells

That's fucked up - and assuming you are sending good qualified traffic - this has to be a product issue. And after reading Lisa's experience with them - I'm pulling their links from one of my sites today.

Cheers,

Paul.

edit for typo..

flyeruk · 2004-03-23, 07:05 AM

Woohoo

What goes around, comes around...

kit · 2004-03-23, 10:33 AM

Wow, I think Epic Cash soon will be allowed on GFY board only ;-)

gecko · 2004-03-23, 09:09 PM

Damn man that sounds fucked up - sorry they did that to you kit. An 82% cancel rate seems very hard to believe.

I hate to say it but I have heard this happening ALOT with epic cash.

Opti · 2004-03-24, 08:29 AM

82% Cancellation rate from a $1 trial isn't that abnormal in my experience.... particularly for programs with lots of front-ends and just one mega member area for content.

But it's almost irrelevant for a PPS sponsor to hang the cancellation rate as an excuse on an affiliate imho... if they whip out a CC and join a trial, the rest is out of my hands from there.

The sponsor should also make income from cross-sells and exit traffic.. And ******** have those bastard floating email collection boxes on their sites that must also contribute to the bottom line.

I'm glad I read this thread.

xxxjay · 2004-03-24, 11:20 AM

I've been hanging out with the Epicash guys all this week. I don't do business with them, but the are super cool people. They also own Pornkings.

Ramster · 2004-03-24, 11:23 AM

According to pimpdog Roger who owns PornKings does not own epic cash pimpdog does. But there has been a Lot of talk about it on other boards.

plateman · 2004-03-24, 11:30 AM

i just signed up with porn kings are they cool anybody have any problems with them

thanks

xxxjay · 2004-03-24, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramster
According to pimpdog Roger who owns PornKings does not own epic cash pimpdog does. But there has been a Lot of talk about it on other boards.

Ian Isenburg owns both of them.

Ramster · 2004-03-24, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
Ian Isenburg owns both of them.

Interesting.

kit · 2004-03-26, 10:27 AM

We have no problems with PornKings, but have a lot with Epic Cash.

Jim · 2004-03-26, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kit
We have no problems with PornKings, but have a lot with Epic Cash.

Join the club, kit. You just missed us handing out shirts

alb · 2004-03-26, 01:22 PM

hey kit, i just shot you a PM

thanks
-al

2004-03-14, 11:28 AM	#1
kit Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 494	"Epic Cash" banned on PenisBot.com Hello all! New small rule: Sites promoting "Epic Cash" sponsor will NOT be listed on PenisBot.com. Also we terminated them on all our sites and services (freehostedgalleries.com , porninspector.com , master-x.com , etc.) __________________ PornInspector.com

2004-03-14, 07:21 PM	#2
sickkittens You can't keep blaming yourself. Just blame yourself once, and move on Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	What was the reasoning behind this? Just curious. __________________ <a target="_top" href="http://www.datinggold.com/index.php?aid=602"><img src="http://www.datinggold.com/images/banners/datinggold_120x60_03.gif" width="120" height="60" border="0"></a>

2004-03-15, 07:57 AM	#3
caringneo Oh! I haven't changed since high school and suddenly I am uncool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: PLANET EARTH Posts: 259	Hi Kit, I am not using ********. But would like to know if there is something really wrong wih that sponsor. I have DD stopped listing flashcash because they use dialers for Australian surfers. What happened in this case? Neo __________________ Anal Gays

2004-03-15, 10:04 AM	#4
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,867	I'd bet it's that they do not allow webmasters from various countries to promote them. It happens a lot. If a webmaster is from Country A and that country is not allowed to join the program, they won't list the sites, ect. __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2004-03-15, 10:26 AM	#5
kit Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 494	1) We had problems with getting payments from them. They owe me for Sep-Nov 2003 periods. 2) Our account was terminated without any notes and after talking by icq I found reason: "You're not profitable for us." So, I think there is time to terminate them on all our resources too with the same reason. __________________ PornInspector.com Last edited by kit; 2004-03-15 at 10:48 AM..

2004-03-15, 10:56 AM	#6
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	thanks for the heads up kit will write them down to a list of "do not signup with sponsors" __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2004-03-15, 12:52 PM	#8
caringneo Oh! I haven't changed since high school and suddenly I am uncool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: PLANET EARTH Posts: 259	If they feel that a site like penisbot is not profitable for them, I wonder what will they think of small webmasters. They didn't have my country in their approve list. So I haven't signed up for them. \|rasta\| Neo __________________ Anal Gays

2004-03-15, 02:12 PM	#9
kit Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 494	There was mentioned some stats for the last time: 27 signups / 23 cancells = 750$ losts for Epic Cash. I don't know, how we can give 82% cancells rate from the clear links on PenisBot.com. We do not use even banners for Epic Cash promoting, only links like here: http://www.penisbot.com/pay.html + their hosted sites links. So, 82% cancells rate looks unbelivable. May be they can't offer something really good inside of members area? But, I terminated them on our resources not for this. The reason is: I don't want to work with them due to their bad business style. __________________ PornInspector.com

2004-03-15, 02:56 PM	#10
security_man Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 260	with the visa regs a lot of paypersignup sponsors are gonna be looking more and more closely at cancellation ratios now so everyone needs to keep an eye on this with any pps sponsors it does sound odd that yours would be that high kit so i dont blame you a bit on that score. that alone is reason enough imho and add to that their not letting you know or even moving you to a revshare program is fuckin BULLshit, not to mention the fact that they owe you money. thanks for the info on why this happend __________________ <a href="http://www.linkalotapuss.com/home.php" target="_blank"><font face="Trebuchet MS">Linkalotapuss.com</a> - Submit your sites</font>

2004-03-15, 05:03 PM	#11
MrMaryLou i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 11,247	Must be a case of nothing in the back end __________________ <a href="http://www.greenguysboard.com/onthebench/">Join Me For On The Bench </a>

2004-03-23, 04:28 AM	#12
flyeruk With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like ... love! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North East, UK Posts: 319	I've just implemented the same rule on Clixxx4porn. They did the same to me. 1. Cancelled my account without even bothering to tell me. 2. Still owe me money. I was sending se/ppc/linklist traffic and when they did finally answer my emails, I was told I had a high chargeback ratio. Took me a few days to remove their links, time that could have been better spent on worthwhile sponsors Lisa

2004-03-23, 07:05 AM	#14
flyeruk With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like ... love! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North East, UK Posts: 319	Woohoo What goes around, comes around... __________________ Clixxx4porn \| Adult XXX \| Erection Zone

2004-03-23, 10:33 AM	#15
kit Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 494	Wow, I think Epic Cash soon will be allowed on GFY board only ;-) __________________ PornInspector.com

2004-03-23, 09:09 PM	#16
gecko Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 20	Damn man that sounds fucked up - sorry they did that to you kit. An 82% cancel rate seems very hard to believe. I hate to say it but I have heard this happening ALOT with epic cash.

2004-03-24, 08:29 AM	#17
Opti I Didn't Do It Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: au Posts: 795	82% Cancellation rate from a $1 trial isn't that abnormal in my experience.... particularly for programs with lots of front-ends and just one mega member area for content. But it's almost irrelevant for a PPS sponsor to hang the cancellation rate as an excuse on an affiliate imho... if they whip out a CC and join a trial, the rest is out of my hands from there. The sponsor should also make income from cross-sells and exit traffic.. And ******** have those bastard floating email collection boxes on their sites that must also contribute to the bottom line. I'm glad I read this thread.

2004-03-24, 11:20 AM	#18
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	I've been hanging out with the Epicash guys all this week. I don't do business with them, but the are super cool people. They also own Pornkings. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2004-03-24, 11:23 AM	#19
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,867	According to pimpdog Roger who owns PornKings does not own epic cash pimpdog does. But there has been a Lot of talk about it on other boards. __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2004-03-24, 11:30 AM	#20
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	i just signed up with porn kings are they cool anybody have any problems with them thanks __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2004-03-26, 10:27 AM	#23
kit Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 494	We have no problems with PornKings, but have a lot with Epic Cash. __________________ PornInspector.com

2004-03-26, 01:22 PM	#25
alb Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: VA Posts: 17	hey kit, i just shot you a PM thanks -al