PornoTube

[roganoli]

I think that it is not good for us…Which your opinion?

[Toby]

I have some concerns, mostly with regard to how they intend to control abuse of copyrighted content. So far they (AEBN) have not given a satisfactory answer.

[alessandro]

It's not good news IMHO.

[Greenguy]

I'll let Bishop from AEBN know aobut this thread & hopefully he can shed some light on the subject for us.

[Senator_x]

Good for program owners who want to brand their products, bad for webmaster since they can't brand other peoples products as their own.

Webmaster with original products(amateurish stuff) can benefit by adding movies with their website URL watermarked. This can drive traffic virally just like youtube does for mainstream sites.

[atariFu]

I would be more worried about bittorrent, pornotube rarely has anything over a minute long.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by roganoli

I think that it is not good for us…Which your opinion?

Help me understand why you think this is not good for the industry?

[Kron]

Nah, this is just next thing, soon TGP gona be some sort of tube site

[Senator_x]

Good if you know how to market you product virally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_marketing


Bad if you don't know how to market. Also, bad if the program owner doesn't want their product out their.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by GonZo

Help me understand why you think this is not good for the industry?

It's not that it's bad for the industry, but it is bad for general webmasters that make a living with tgps & link lists & free sites & galleries, as it does teach the surfer that they can get a shitload of free movies at one site.

It's sorta like a legit fusker, if that makes sense.

[fusionx]

Bishop is away fly fishing or making babies or racing in the grand prix of monaco or some such adventure. Until he's back from saving the world with only a can opener, some chewing gum and toenail clippers I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have.

One thing off the top - affiliates can certainly use pornotube.com, as long as the TOS of the affiliate company allows it.

For copyrighted content - anything that is reported is removed, it's that easy. Toby - there haven't been any significant questions about it so far, so yeah - we haven't given any answers. Even if a clip is from an affiliate section, if the owner doesn't want it there, it's gone. Simple.

Kron is pretty much correct. Times are a'changin and with the advent of the so-called "web 2.0" and the huge popularity of video sharing, tagging and bookmark sharing sites, Adult needs to keep up.

Of course there will be some growing pains, but things like this have to happen. We can't sit around and let advances in marketing and technology pass by.

Adult used to lead the tech growth on the web.. a shift occurred about three years ago or so.. we definately trail behind now.

[Greenguy]

..and just to clear up any possible confusion (because it's happened in the past) Gonzo - you so speak on behalf of AEBN, correct?

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Greenie

It's not that it's bad for the industry, but it is bad for general webmasters that make a living with tgps & link lists & free sites & galleries, as it does teach the surfer that they can get a shitload of free movies at one site.

It's sorta like a legit fusker, if that makes sense.

Im sure as a link list owner you will agree that the thumbbed TGPs were bad for link lists. Bit Torrent Sites are the bane of TGPs.

The web evolves at the expense of those who dont seize change.

We've taught the surfer that they can get free porn for many years now. Remember the old addage we all used to chant? Free sites are to tease...pay sites to please.

Now you can see a myraid of freebies within tours that just a few years ago didnt give away as much as an exposed nipple.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Greenie

..and just to clear up any possible confusion (because it's happened in the past) Gonzo - you so speak on behalf of AEBN, correct?

I have in the past but above me you have FusionX who speaks on behalf of Pornotube as well as Xpeeps.

If you have any questions on suggestions hes the man to go to.
They are his babies.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by fusionx

Toby - there haven't been any significant questions about it so far, so yeah - we haven't given any answers. Even if a clip is from an affiliate section, if the owner doesn't want it there, it's gone. Simple.

I've posed the question in a couple of forums, and this is the first direct reply.

What you're saying is that unless content owners find their content on pornotube and ask for it's removal, it will remain. That may be enough to cover your ass legally, but ethically it's a cop out. You know as well as I do that for every removal request there will be dozens if not hundreds of pics and vids posted without the authorization of the rightful owners.

The only winners I see here are some program owners that will post their own content and AEBN who will redirect traffic to their own programs, with much of that traffic built upon the illegally posted content of others.

[Greenguy]

This is going to be a good discussion

Originally Posted by GonZo

Im sure as a link list owner you will agree that the thumbbed TGPs were bad for link lists. Bit Torrent Sites are the bane of TGPs....

I don't think you can compare those 2.

1st off, I don't think Thumb TGP's were bad for Link Lists - I actually like them, but they do bring up a shitload of 2257 questions (which is probably why I don't have one)

Bit Torrent (and any P2P service) is bad for "webmasters" just like PornoTube is bad for "webmasters" because it really does teach the surfer that you can get content (and a lot of it) for free all at once place.

I'd also throw Guba into this as well, because there are a lot of similarities.

And don't get me wrong - as soon as YouTube became popular, everyone knew there was going to be a porn version - but like these other sites/programs, there's a lot of questions about 2257 & copyrights & surfer submitted content (since the 1st script that allowed you to post content to a website, there's always been that fear of illegal material being posted) And yes, all of those things are really none of my business, because I don't own the company nor do I have any content to worry aobut as far as copyrights.

I assume that most sponsors won't care that their content is on there, because it's free advertising & they'll get sales from it, which is their bottom line.

My concern - and I think the concern of most of the people on this board - is that this is another thing that tgp/linklist & gallery/freesite webmasters have to compete with - and these sites/programs are on a level right off the bat that makes it very hard to compete with.

[babymaker]

no comment from me

[Beaver Bob]

I like the idea, as long as there is some kind of limit on the length of video clips (5 minutes?) and the people running it are responsible about copyrighted content.

BTW I read above someone works with pornotube here, how long does it take for your video to upload? I uploaded a 50 second trailer the other night and its still not showing up my account id is beaverbob..

I am interested to see if this could be a productive source of traffic. I wouldn't expect it to take the place of other valuable traffic sources such as linklists, tgps, blogs, etc... but my feeling is the more places you can get traffic, the better.

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by Beaver Bob

I uploaded a 50 second trailer the other night and its still not showing up my account id is beaverbob..

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that happens now and then, they are still working on it and it gets like 50+ million visits a day so you just have to post again

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Greenie

This is going to be a good discussion

I don't think you can compare those 2.

1st off, I don't think Thumb TGP's were bad for Link Lists - I actually like them, but they do bring up a shitload of 2257 questions (which is probably why I don't have one)

Bit Torrent (and any P2P service) is bad for "webmasters" just like PornoTube is bad for "webmasters" because it really does teach the surfer that you can get content (and a lot of it) for free all at once place.

I'd also throw Guba into this as well, because there are a lot of similarities.

And don't get me wrong - as soon as YouTube became popular, everyone knew there was going to be a porn version - but like these other sites/programs, there's a lot of questions about 2257 & copyrights & surfer submitted content (since the 1st script that allowed you to post content to a website, there's always been that fear of illegal material being posted) And yes, all of those things are really none of my business, because I don't own the company nor do I have any content to worry aobut as far as copyrights.

I assume that most sponsors won't care that their content is on there, because it's free advertising & they'll get sales from it, which is their bottom line.

My concern - and I think the concern of most of the people on this board - is that this is another thing that tgp/linklist & gallery/freesite webmasters have to compete with - and these sites/programs are on a level right off the bat that makes it very hard to compete with.

Excellent debate.
Actually gonzo.com was a linklist a long time ago. I jumped to tgps and then thumbed TGPs as it was a quick traffic builder.

2257 issues are an entire different debate all together.

Bottomline is its hard to compete as a true affiliate based webmaster.
Early wisdom used to say why build something of my own when I acn make more money selling others with a fraction of the effort?

Its hell of a lot more effort now and people got greedy with all the stealing tricks and of course this shit with Zango and AFF.

This shit has been going on a long time before with sextracker ... Newton did and excellent interview a while back on it.

Ill do some digging for it but I think you can still see some of this from this quiery. As I recall sextracker was loading a trojan that replaced affilaite codes and cookies with their own. As you can see this ended bad..
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/searc...searchid=27418

Ill see if I can find the interview.

[Xallow]

Someone please fill me in, what the crap is PornoTube?

[Beaver Bob]

Originally Posted by Xallow

Someone please fill me in, what the crap is PornoTube?

its basically a clone of the popular website YouTube, but obviously meant for porn. Incidently, I believe youtube.com was just sold to google for 1.4 billion dollars.

http://www.pornotube.com

[Senator_x]

Originally Posted by GonZo

Excellent debate.
Actually gonzo.com was a linklist a long time ago. I jumped to tgps and then thumbed TGPs as it was a quick traffic builder.

2257 issues are an entire different debate all together.

Bottomline is its hard to compete as a true affiliate based webmaster.
Early wisdom used to say why build something of my own when I acn make more money selling others with a fraction of the effort?

Its hell of a lot more effort now and people got greedy with all the stealing tricks and of course this shit with Zango and AFF.

This shit has been going on a long time before with sextracker ... Newton did and excellent interview a while back on it.

Ill do some digging for it but I think you can still see some of this from this quiery. As I recall sextracker was loading a trojan that replaced affilaite codes and cookies with their own. As you can see this ended bad..
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/searc...searchid=27418

Ill see if I can find the interview.

Sextracker was a sore issue for awhile but as you can see "the keep me happy" money flowed into the right place.

ZANGO money is keeping a lot of high-end webmasters happy too.

An adult webmaster today has to own a TGP, LinkList, Blogs, Thousand of AVS satelites, thousands of galleries and very good relationships with the owners of the affiliate programs.

The good relationships with affiliate owners get you in on first new products. Basically, you beta test their product and cash in fast.

Also, adult webmaster have to know CSS like their top of their dicks.

Evolve or die.

[fusionx]

Originally Posted by Toby

I've posed the question in a couple of forums, and this is the first direct reply.

It's easier and faster if you ask us directly. We don't usually scour the forums to do support or PR/customer service. We usually don't have time.

Originally Posted by Toby

What you're saying is that unless content owners find their content on pornotube and ask for it's removal, it will remain. That may be enough to cover your ass legally, but ethically it's a cop out. You know as well as I do that for every removal request there will be dozens if not hundreds of pics and vids posted without the authorization of the rightful owners.

Please don't put words in my mouth. What I said was, paraphrasing, if copyrighted content is found and reported we remove it. If a user reports it, we look, and we take it down. And believe me, people report everything. We get so many false positives on content it takes up about 6 hours every day to go through the reports.

Originally Posted by Toby

The only winners I see here are some program owners that will post their own content and AEBN who will redirect traffic to their own programs, with much of that traffic built upon the illegally posted content of others.

Again, you are making assumptions without even beginning to understand the model we operate under.

Individual webmasters are doing great with the traffic. Many of them host the vids there and use the vids on their own sites - it's free bandwidth. Studios love it so far, and many programs are encouraging their affiliates to use the service. Watermarked content provides excellent free branding, and you can of course put URLs in the description or even titles if you want.

With all that being said, of course we direct traffic to our own VOD sites, and we direct traffic to our partners and advertisers. We do it all through clicked URLs - no blind links, no skimming, nothing like that.

You'll find we run an open, honest program and we play very nicely with others. We probably give more away to affiliates and partners than anyone else in the biz. I'm not talking about schwag - hats, coffee mugs, trips to costa rica.. I'm talking about substantial biz things like bandwidth, free minutes for their surfers, e-mail campaigns for affiliates, all kinds of stuff.

I'm not going to respond tit for tat here, and I'm not going to argue with anyone on message boards, as far as our business models are concerned. As I said earlier, I don't have the time. If you have questions feel free to write to support or call, and we'll answer your questions.

Are you an affiliate of AEBN? Just curious.

[fusionx]

Originally Posted by Beaver Bob

I like the idea, as long as there is some kind of limit on the length of video clips (5 minutes?) and the people running it are responsible about copyrighted content.

BTW I read above someone works with pornotube here, how long does it take for your video to upload? I uploaded a 50 second trailer the other night and its still not showing up my account id is beaverbob..

I am interested to see if this could be a productive source of traffic. I wouldn't expect it to take the place of other valuable traffic sources such as linklists, tgps, blogs, etc... but my feeling is the more places you can get traffic, the better.

Is this it? http://www.pornotube.com/media.php?m=73347

I'm not in a position to access the databases right now so I can't check on the uplaod date. I'm guessing you reuploaded it.

There are still some issues with uploads when the site is getting really hammered. The conversion process is a bit fragile yet, and needs to be reworked to make it more bulletproof.

We're adding more feedback, also. Right now, we have an e-mail message that we send to our techies when something fails. When we get the time to reformat it for users we'll turn that on. Right now it's all numbers and codes that no one but the programmers could ever decipher.