What sponsors actually know about the niches of their sites?

[Urban Legends]

It's a double edged sword. Let's say uou have 3 BBW sites:

one has a lot of content, shot in a vewry amateur style and not edited well, but obviously be someone who likes BBWs him/herself

a second one has very slick production values, and while it looks good, the person who put it together doesn't appear to actually like BBWs and the content is mostly demeaning.

the third one is obviously a labor of love for the site producer, and th vidoes look good and are very "BBW postive", but there aren't that many of them.

Which one will most webmasters promote?

Answer: the one with the biggest single PPS payout.

[ecchi]

This is a great question, but if you are promoting niche sites, a better question to be asking yourself is "Why am I promoting the big companies?" I found out the hard way that if you search around and find a sponsor who has only 1 site, and it covers a niche, it will be easier to sell, and keep members longer. The sponsors I use are nearly all rev share, and I found that changing from a big company (even a big company that did well for me in the general hardcore or teen categories) to a one man enthusiast type site, over doubled the amount of money I made.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

If the members area *does* have the content but the tour is just in the wrong direction, a custom tour might be one solution was what I intended to suggest

I mean, it would be even worse to have a killer niche tour with no content.

It's got to sell whats in there, with the proper niche appeal.

Well I was one of the people that panned the panty niche site at PR.

Haven't been inside to check the content, but all the tours, promotional material, etc. are oriented around a teen site that somebody happen to slap a PANTY name to.

One sponsor used to have a program where niche specialist were paid extra to help with promoting specific niches. Sadly, that has been discontinued.

[PR_Tom]

Hi Tickler, yep I agree with you. The new site went directly into "teen" niche on my own pages.
And also I know PimpRoll's stock BBW tour has a graphic of food on it, which I've complained about in the past right along with every webmaster who thinks it's off base.

Of course when both of those tours were produced, I wasn't part of the team either. Now that I have peoples ears, I feel like I can channel some of this great input for some positive results.

I've already dropped enough hints though. My PM is empty so far.

Sorry this got long, didnt mean to go on..I actually edited it to about 1/3 it's original |help|

[Danielle]

Maybe we should all start looking for small sponsors that really know the niche they promote. Then we could start investigating each one we find and determine what ones we can trust.

How about we all start posting them as we find them? This way we can all see if we can find any good things or bad things about each.

Hugs,
Danielle

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

What a great thread. I wish there was a place people knowledgable in a niche could be consulted (i.e. $$$) when building a niche site. Anyone here interested in that idea?

I am in the process of writing a book on the development of fetishes. For my research I have interviewed or had surveys filled in by over 3,000 people who consider themseleves to have a 'real' fetish. I have heard more indepth tales than I ever thought I would. I'm happy to rent out my knowledge.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Hi Tickler, yep I agree with you. The new site went directly into "teen" niche on my own pages.

Yeah, I remember you posting that right after I went WTF, it supposed to be a PANTY site.

[dareutwo]

ecchi is correct and I'm getting around to that.
(remember I did take about 18 months off from this biz and a lot has changed)
In past 4 months, revshare up about 20%.
Big sites, down about 12%.

I have over 400+ TV stations, but 90% of the TV is on, it's normally on 1 of 4 channels.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Danielle

Maybe we should all start looking for small sponsors that really know the niche they promote. Then we could start investigating each one we find and determine what ones we can trust.

How about we all start posting them as we find them? This way we can all see if we can find any good things or bad things about each.

Hugs,
Danielle

Hehehe, not sure how many people that would share that info. Most of my top converting sponsors don't have any WM referral program, so there is no incentive to have other WM over exposing them.

Best bet is to pick a niche, and then start searching through the SEs. TGPs, LLs for sponsors and then make your own decision.

[McSpike]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

All the critique would be great to find it's way to the sponsors ears. I mean, how could it hurt to give feedback? Plus it could help a lot of people.

It's not them being stupid for making these sites it's webmasters being stupid for promoting them

they know the game very well. they realize their own lack of quality very well. they also realize that if they make shit hidden behind a big sponsor name/brand it will sell because of webmasters who get sucked in to the game.

The sooner your realize it and make right choices, the better. they won't change. stick with the ones you know they are good as that's as far as you are gonna get with these complaints

That's my 3 cents.