If You promote SIC CASH on your LL You Better Watch

[plateman]

I just want to say again that everything that greg said about me and my traffic was not true the fact is my traffic was so good in oct. and part of nov. that I can brag about it and when you have 2 people type in a phrase they will join a pay site I seen it happen to many months now and I wish I had oct. server stats, I changed servers and can't pull it up but I will give a example of the search strings that people found my site with and joined a pay site also I went through all my sponsors and looked at the hits and not one looks fishy.. And another fact I only ran my link checker 3 or 4 times and not at all this month.. I had in nov 9 days of new server stats 248 search strings here is a few examples because greg asked what terms would pull up my site

1 56 12.93% xxx porn
2 23 5.31% sausage pizza porn movie
3 18 4.16% voyeur ladies dressing room xxx
4 8 1.85% lingerie porn
5 8 1.85% porn xxx
6 6 1.39% xxx lingerie
7 5 1.15% new porn sites
8 5 1.15% porno plenty xxx links
9 4 0.92% jays free xxx porno
10 4 0.92% panty porn
11 4 0.92% plenty
12 4 0.92% porn links
13 4 0.92% porn stars
14 3 0.69% Thonged celebs
15 3 0.69% XXX Movie Vault
16 3 0.69% hottest brunettes
17 3 0.69% jays xxx porn links
18 3 0.69% pornoplentyxxxlinks
19 3 0.69% pornoplentyxxxlinks.com
20 3 0.69% teen pink bits xxx free
21 3 0.69% xxx porn hairy
22 2 0.46% XXX porn
23 2 0.46% black mans cock with white girl domain:pornoplentyxxxlinks.com
24 2 0.46% carmen Hayes Big tits
25 2 0.46% completely Kayla
26 2 0.46% dora meszaros stockings
27 2 0.46% electronically-sign tgp -htm -html -php -cgi -shtml
28 2 0.46% free no membership no money no credit card xxx webcams
29 2 0.46% free xxx
30 2 0.46% ghetto hoochies
31 2 0.46% jays xxx links
32 2 0.46% mature babes naked xxx
33 2 0.46% monstercock reality
34 2 0.46% nylon penty sex
35 2 0.46% oral porn free
36 2 0.46% paris hilton thonged
37 2 0.46% pay porn sites
38 2 0.46% porn-o
39 2 0.46% reality porn XXX
40 2 0.46% reality xxx
41 2 0.46% related:www.porno4women.com/
42 2 0.46% satin porn
43 2 0.46% shocking parties bachelorette
44 2 0.46% short chicks xxx porn
45 2 0.46% slip and stocking teen porn

Look at #37 those people most often have a hard cock and a credit card out - I see these strings and check sponsor stats and I see 1 unique and one sale almost always..

a whole dec. search strings and mind you I lost the really good traffic the end of oct. 824 search strings and all sales dropped in this month


Top 100 of 824 Total Search Strings

# Hits Search String

1 55 4.01% lingerie porn
2 44 3.21% xxx porn
3 22 1.60% porn xxx
4 21 1.53% xxx lingerie
5 13 0.95% cora ass traffic gallery
6 12 0.87% thonged celebrities
7 10 0.73% jays xxx links
8 10 0.73% secretary porn
9 9 0.66% Lingerie Porn Movies
10 9 0.66% gothic sex movies
11 9 0.66% reality xxx
12 9 0.66% shocking parties toga
13 9 0.66% xxx links
14 8 0.58% Black lover-asian sluts
15 8 0.58% lingerie xxx
16 8 0.58% plenty of porn
17 8 0.58% reality porn
18 8 0.58% satin porn
19 7 0.51% adult ezines
20 7 0.51% poor mans porn
21 7 0.51% porn o
22 7 0.51% sausage pizza porn movie
23 6 0.44% boobs movies
24 6 0.44% gangbang
25 6 0.44% mature adult housewives plumbers would like to fuck video
26 6 0.44% porn lingerie
27 6 0.44% pornoplentyxxxlinks
28 5 0.36% Sinful secretaries
29 5 0.36% anal destruction brook
30 5 0.36% balloon porn
31 5 0.36% chloe jones Staircase Strip
32 5 0.36% drunk party
33 5 0.36% gauge movie gallery
34 5 0.36% mans boys penes movie
35 5 0.36% milf munchers samples
36 5 0.36% porn links
37 5 0.36% reality porn links
38 5 0.36% redhead boots cigars
39 4 0.29% BOOBS
40 4 0.29% Hungarian tits
41 4 0.29% SATIN PORN
42 4 0.29% XXX porn
43 4 0.29% free porn links
44 4 0.29% free xxx porn
45 4 0.29% galleries ultimate surrender female wrestling
46 4 0.29% mr biggz clips
47 4 0.29% naughty secretaries
48 4 0.29% nicest boobs
49 4 0.29% plenty
50 4 0.29% podpakova
51 4 0.29% seniors pornsites
52 4 0.29% shocking parties bachelorette
53 4 0.29% streaming xxx lingerie
54 4 0.29% ten sex loving
55 4 0.29% titties 4free
56 4 0.29% watersport couple
57 4 0.29% xxx porn links
58 4 0.29% xxx reality porn
59 3 0.22% Vampire Porn
60 3 0.22% XXX PORN
61 3 0.22% amber's ass
62 3 0.22% charisma carpenter thonged
63 3 0.22% clubtera
64 3 0.22% desi porn 3 days trial offer
65 3 0.22% dora meszaros
66 3 0.22% dora meszaros galleries
67 3 0.22% drunk babes
68 3 0.22% foxy Angel
69 3 0.22% foxy angel gallery
70 3 0.22% free large boobs
71 3 0.22% free xxx
72 3 0.22% free xxx porn sites
73 3 0.22% free xxx reality
74 3 0.22% granny sucking a cock
75 3 0.22% hardcore panty movies
76 3 0.22% hotties wearing sexy clothes
77 3 0.22% jordan capri free trailer
78 3 0.22% katsumi free video samples
79 3 0.22% porn-o
80 3 0.22% pussyassmouth
81 3 0.22% sexy bbw
82 3 0.22% shocking parties
83 3 0.22% small tit porn
84 3 0.22% spicy salsa sluts
85 3 0.22% tiffany teen xxx
86 3 0.22% troubled sluts
87 3 0.22% trusted hot dirty pay porn
88 3 0.22% unreal penetrations
89 3 0.22% vaginalcumshot
90 3 0.22% xxx
91 3 0.22% xxx reality
92 2 0.15% 10 dollars huge cocks
93 2 0.15% Black ass sites
94 2 0.15% DRUNK ORGIES PARTIES STRIPPER PICTURES
95 2 0.15% Jays XXX

Look at #92 I sold a big cock site that is 10.00 to join with only 2 uniques and both signed up..

Now google really is starting to like me and yahoo must be mad about something..

this months search strings and sales were good this month and this only some se traffic


Top 100 of 722 Total Search Strings

# Hits Search String

1 24 2.28% vampire porn gallery
2 15 1.43% xxx porn
3 11 1.05% large women porn
4 10 0.95% xxx
5 9 0.86% petite hotties
6 9 0.86% shocking parties bachelorette
7 8 0.76% free gothic porn
8 7 0.67% to-xxx
9 6 0.57% jays xxx movie links
10 6 0.57% large hardcore women
11 6 0.57% naughty secretaries
12 6 0.57% pornoplentyxxxlinks
13 6 0.57% wild pary girls
14 5 0.48% adult ezines
15 5 0.48% jays xxx links
16 5 0.48% naughty office zara
17 5 0.48% porn xxx
18 5 0.48% shocking parties
19 5 0.48% teen hosebags
20 4 0.38% 3 day free trial desi babes
21 4 0.38% dora meszaros
22 4 0.38% foxy angel
23 4 0.38% hentai sites 4.95
24 4 0.38% lestai
25 4 0.38% pornoplenty
26 4 0.38% reality porn links
27 4 0.38% related:www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/anal.html
28 4 0.38% sexy raw smut
29 4 0.38% xxx links
30 4 0.38% xxxlinks
31 4 0.38% young ripe and ready brooke
32 3 0.29% Big milk woman Pregnant woman Naked woman
33 3 0.29% Shocking Parties bachelorette
34 3 0.29% analdestruction lori
35 3 0.29% balloon porn
36 3 0.29% brooke frank wank
37 3 0.29% brutal massive dildos penetration
38 3 0.29% carmen hayes downloadable videos
39 3 0.29% fast times at nau brooke
40 3 0.29% free downable porn movies
41 3 0.29% free pictures of karla back seat bangers
42 3 0.29% free porn cheer girl e-zines
43 3 0.29% free xxx porn links
44 3 0.29% givemepink peaches movies
45 3 0.29% lestai sex movies
46 3 0.29% lestai xxx
47 3 0.29% little april's pussy
48 3 0.29% mr.biggz
49 3 0.29% naughty office Zara
50 3 0.29% porn o plenty
51 3 0.29% raven riley dildo
52 3 0.29% reality xxx porn
53 3 0.29% shocking parties poker
54 3 0.29% shocking parties toga
55 3 0.29% slip satin silk porn
56 3 0.29% vampire porn
57 3 0.29% wet college coeds
58 3 0.29% wrestling women's latex movie
59 3 0.29% xxx reality
60 3 0.29% xxx reality links
61 2 0.19% (Brady Didder galleries)
62 2 0.19% Adore Anjali
63 2 0.19% Black honey Carmen Hayes movie clips
64 2 0.19% Free Downable Porn Movies
65 2 0.19% Nautica Thorn Sample Clip
66 2 0.19% Nautica Thorn pictures
67 2 0.19% Nikki Facial MAG
68 2 0.19% PORN O PLENTY
69 2 0.19% Porn O' Plenty Jacynda
70 2 0.19% Raven Riley Cock craving
71 2 0.19% Shocking Parties Toga
72 2 0.19% WIFE CAUGHT MASTERBATING ON SOFA
73 2 0.19% adore anjali adore anjali
74 2 0.19% anjali porn
75 2 0.19% ariana model
76 2 0.19% ashley simpson thong slips
77 2 0.19% bachelorette drunk party tgp
78 2 0.19% booty talk 7 black hardcore big ass ghetto
79 2 0.19% carmen hayes free vids
80 2 0.19% carmen hayes sample movies
81 2 0.19% chloe dior lesbian tgp
82 2 0.19% college pary pron
83 2 0.19% comic lestai
84 2 0.19% cora ass traffic
85 2 0.19% cute cheerleaders
86 2 0.19% drunk party videos
87 2 0.19% drunk women strippers
88 2 0.19% free black downable porn movies
89 2 0.19% free black links
90 2 0.19% free petite gallery
91 2 0.19% free porn links
92 2 0.19% free sex penty
93 2 0.19% free xxx links
94 2 0.19% free xxx porn
95 2 0.19% girls stuffing inflatable dildo
96 2 0.19% gothic porn galleries
97 2 0.19% hens night sluts fuck strippers in public places
98 2 0.19% hogtied and made to suck cock
99 2 0.19% housewives sucking strippers
100 2 0.19% interracial frenzy

Look at 20 and 23 - 2 people out of 4 signed up for anime sites for 2 different sponsors and 23 I didnt look for a sale there
and mind you greg oct 04 is when I had the most and best traffic and had over 2000 search terms from yahoo and almost every page of my site was on the first page of the serps for targeted terms and when I added your links and they were on top, and to add that I was not getting that much traffic then and all my other traffic went to the free links I have..

So greg this is how you can have those 1 to 1 sign up ratios and NO one can control what ip people will use a credit card for porn or if there are 5 in one state..

..

[plateman]

And you say I wanted to cash out and steal your money - Not true I read other threads on your program and a webmaster said your sites dont retain, so why would I want to stay on rev-share and not make hardly anything when I can send my LL traffic to a PPS program and make 25 or 35 ver. 2.95

And why did I post personal se terms - for any other sponsors that question my good converting traffic..

And also It kills me to say I am sorry to insult you with bad name calling in "public"

But I can honestly say I sent you NO bogus sign ups or traffic and your stats should filter out "link checkers"

Also a FYI I dropped a sponsor for excessive exit consoles and installs that I was making sales from in the start of last summer, and I checked today and seen 50 some hits for this month and like mr. yum said shit happens

[Netpiddler]

That's a tough break plateman... When you are still making your way in the biz every penny counts - but it isn't always about the money (if it is you will have a hard time indeed).

There is always another sponsor just as there are always other webmasters.

ARS accused me of fraud a couple years ago when my conversions started hovering around 1:12.

I sent them an email which basically said "Fine - your loss"... It took me less than 15 minutes to find another sponsor which not only never bitched about my great conversions - they gave me a job.

ARS lost out on tens of thousands of dollars in sales from me since that time. No big deal to them - they always have more webmasters. No big deal to me - there is always another sponsor.

This business is all about leveraging your time and effort and others' time and effort. A lot of wasted energy has went into this thread, so I hope it teaches someone out there something.

- Netpiddler

[Mishi]

Originally Posted by Netpiddler

That's a tough break plateman... When you are still making your way in the biz every penny counts - but it isn't always about the money (if it is you will have a hard time indeed).

There is always another sponsor just as there are always other webmasters.

ARS accused me of fraud a couple years ago when my conversions started hovering around 1:12.

I sent them an email which basically said "Fine - your loss"... It took me less than 15 minutes to find another sponsor which not only never bitched about my great conversions - they gave me a job.

ARS lost out on tens of thousands of dollars in sales from me since that time. No big deal to them - they always have more webmasters. No big deal to me - there is always another sponsor.

This business is all about leveraging your time and effort and others' time and effort. A lot of wasted energy has went into this thread, so I hope it teaches someone out there something.

- Netpiddler

Nice post, Netpiddler

I've had conversion ratios of 1:1 and 1:2 (that's sales to clicks). It tends to happen when I'm first promoting a site and sending pure, straight-off-the-linklist traffic; or it comes off consoles popped by the paysites (I hate agressive pops, but I do loves me some consoles - heck, with consoles, I've had 1:0!). With a little dumb luck you can get obscenely good ratios off small amounts of traffic. It's some cruel trick of math, I'm sure. When you get into the 100-5000 click range, things get wonky...crest 5000 and things start to normalize again. (Why yes, I have become a stats junkie -why do you ask?)

I suspect some people look at small traffic webmasters and assume we must be cheating to get any sales at all. Ironically, we also often assume those sponsors are cheating, because we get a sale within our first ten clicks, and then nothing for the next three years (yes, I have been in this situation).

Plateman, I completely sympathize with your situation and your feelings. I have never been accused of cheating in this biz, and I pray the day never comes. (I still have nightmares about the time I was falsely accused of shoplifting when I was...10? 12? A long fuckin' time ago. But I digress.) I understand that even if you need the money, it's not about the money.

And with that said, I have to agree with others, it's best to move on. You're only going to hurt yourself if you continue to focus on this incident. I know you want to fight for your honor, but sometimes it's wiser to let sleeping dogs lie. (Lay?) Be the sadder but wiser webmaster, and work to develop closer relationships with your sponsors so stuff like this doesn't happen to you again.

Much luck and all my best wishes to you.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Netpiddler

That's a tough break plateman... When you are still making your way in the biz every penny counts - but it isn't always about the money (if it is you will have a hard time indeed).

I guess that's where I'm all fucked up. I do this only for the money. I don't do it because it will make my balls larger, give me a clearer complexion, or get me passed the pearly gates. It's all about the money and nothing else.

[Netpiddler]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I guess that's where I'm all fucked up. I do this only for the money. I don't do it because it will make my balls larger, give me a clearer complexion, or get me passed the pearly gates. It's all about the money and nothing else.

I won't hijack this thread over that reply - but to clarify for those reading (as many are)...

* You can go with a cheaper host to save money - only to find your sites down all the time and no support from the host to fix the issue...

* You can go with a sponsor program because they offer $40 per trial and advertising amazing conversions - only to learn they also offer no support or have shady business practices...

* You can buy content sets for $3 a piece to save money and submit away to high competition sites...

* Those of us who are leaders and mentors in the business could stop helping fellow webmasters for free and start charging them for the simplest of answers... I spend a huge amount of time every day helping others that are struggling or just need answers - should I charge them by the hour - I don't think so...

My point being is that those that see we are a small part of a much bigger picture and put others first from time to time become leaders and mentors in this business. Sure you can be in it for money as this is a business - but as I said - the money isn't everything.

- Netpiddler

[susanna]

Maybe Plateman is an incredibly good salesman with a fully pre-qualified sale BEFORE they click thru?

I remember the days where that was possible without anyone thinking FRAUD.