the future of tgps and link lists (maybe)

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Cleo

It would only work if all the places did it together and I don't see everyone ever agreeing to this or anything else, but it would be nice.

3- 4 years ago everyone said the same thing about paid submits

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Tommy

3- 4 years ago everyone said the same thing about paid submits

And it is ironic that webmasters now pay for the privilege of giving away porn for free.
Make the surfers pay for access too, dammit.

[CD Smith]

Originally Posted by Tommy

3- 4 years ago everyone said the same thing about paid submits

True, but getting webmasters to cough up some dough for the privilege of submitting and getting surfers to cough up even one dollar is two very different things.

I think most surfers would look for other sites that aren't charging a fee.

[bret]

Originally Posted by CD Smith

True, but getting webmasters to cough up some dough for the privilege of submitting and getting surfers to cough up even one dollar is two very different things.

I think most surfers would look for other sites that aren't charging a fee.

the same could be argued for paid submissions.. the submitters would go where it is free. some do, you can't throw up a bunch of crap and expect somone to pay for it. if you have a good established reputation and provide quality product, people will pay for it. would you pay to submit to john doe's fly-by-night submitter page? but you have no problem paying someone you know and trust in the industry, dr. bizzaro, shemp, et al.

the trust factor is huge with all the scammers out there, and they scams just keep increasing. if the surfer develops a relationship with your site, you earn their trust, and eventually maybe even their dollars.

[PayAsYouClick]

Originally Posted by bret

the same could be argued for paid submissions.. the submitters would go where it is free. some do, you can't throw up a bunch of crap and expect somone to pay for it. if you have a good established reputation and provide quality product, people will pay for it. would you pay to submit to john doe's fly-by-night submitter page? but you have no problem paying someone you know and trust in the industry, dr. bizzaro, shemp, et al.

the trust factor is huge with all the scammers out there, and they scams just keep increasing. if the surfer develops a relationship with your site, you earn their trust, and eventually maybe even their dollars.

I totally agree. Trust is as important to webmasters as it is with surfers. It takes time and lots of people to work together to gain respect and trust.

- cheryl

[CD Smith]

Originally Posted by bret

the same could be argued for paid submissions.. the submitters would go where it is free.

No, not really. In some cases, yes, but where the site is really huge and it's traffic valuable (Like Shemp's, Doc Bizarro, Elephant list, and dozens of others) submitters are motivated to pay, at least the serious ones are. It also cuts down on cheaters because as we all know cheaters aren't usually into paying money for anything.

With smaller less busy TGP's, yes... having paid submissions probably isn't the way to go, thus some submitters would stick with submitting to them.

Originally Posted by bret

the trust factor is huge with all the scammers out there, and they scams just keep increasing. if the surfer develops a relationship with your site, you earn their trust, and eventually maybe even their dollars.

I don't really see the parallell between submitting webmasters paying a fee and charging the surfer a user fee though, other than the fact that both are fees. Other than that, I wouldn't be surprised if your traffic took a significant drop once the fee was put in place. It's no secret that MOST surfers simply do not want to pay for anything, much less porn. A common signup ratio in this biz is 1 signup in every 500 uniques. Some see 1:200, 1:300, some see as bad as 1:5000 or worse..... I doubt that would magically change just because it is a favorite TGP now charging.

Hey, I could be wrong, but at this point in the discussion I don't think I am.

[PayAsYouClick]

Originally Posted by CD Smith

I don't really see the parallell between submitting webmasters paying a fee and charging the surfer a user fee though, other than the fact that both are fees. Other than that, I wouldn't be surprised if your traffic took a significant drop once the fee was put in place. It's no secret that MOST surfers simply do not want to pay for anything, much less porn. A common signup ratio in this biz is 1 signup in every 500 uniques. Some see 1:200, 1:300, some see as bad as 1:5000 or worse..... I doubt that would magically change just because it is a favorite TGP now charging.

Hey, I could be wrong, but at this point in the discussion I don't think I am.

The PayAsYouClick solution is NOT the same as a pay to get submitted solution though, I suppose the could exist in the same world. Since I had not thought of it I suppose webmasters could use the Payasyouclick model to offer linking opportunities to other webmasters. PayAsYouClick is a service to collect payments. I am sure, as the needs and desires arise from the community those needs and services will change at PayAsYouClick.

For now, there is no parallell and it is only a suggestion as to how to make money with the PayAsYouClick system. We are not promoting blind links, or any underhanded promises. They get what they click.... plain and simple. You get paid if they do. How simple can it get?

- cheryl

[HappySmut]

tommy your idea can defiantly work if you want to get around possible legal problems then have your paid submitters check a option to allow there galleries to also be listed at x tgp site for surfers to pay to get access to this way it covers you legally and will give that submitter the option to receive more traffic they will go for this anyway to be listed at another site to get even more traffic.

has for the actual site to do this on "I would do this" make a text listing of galleries with a traffic trade script to circle jerk the surfer but lets say 1 out of every 5 clicks the surfer is sent to a page explaining the option to pay x monthly fee so they dont get circle jerked and the paid version of the listing should have text and thumbnail version to keep your surfers paying that monthly fee. keep a extensive organized archive of multiple niches in text and thumbnail version of your "clean" listing and put in extra things to your site maybe giving away free dildos or free car oil whatever keeps them paying

surfers dont have to pay to see the latest galleries but they will have to pay if they dont want to be circle jerked and to be able to see the extensive archive and thumbnail version.

you might even just build your own galleries out of perchased content just for your 2$ surfers

and when it comes down legally "i dont think" there would be a problem since your are providing a service of organization to the surfer and traffic to the submitter and his sponsor.

if you told me your going to list my galleries behind a paid memberbased site id be very happy conversion ratio would be alot better cuase those surfers got credit cards.