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Greenguy · 2005-01-29, 09:14 AM

BRAVO Linkster! BRAV-FUCKING-O!

I will add that I think a lot of webmasters - both those that run affiliate programs as well as general everyday webmasters - think that the amount of traffic that you have equals the amount of money you're making, and most of us around here know that this is NOT the case.

Link Lists, in general, have a lot less traffic than TGPs. A LOT LESS. But, as Linkster said, we have very loyal surfers & we filter the fuck out of them. Some of the biggest TGP's out there don't even have categories, but most Link Lists have realized that if you want to send niche specific traffic to the sites & sponsors that are listed, you have to sort things out as much as possible. My Gay Twink category gets fuck all for traffic as far as "big" numbers go, but I'd bet that 99.44% of the surfers on there are looking for Gay Twink sites.

Link Lists are going to always be here - we're probably going to always have less traffic, but we're also going to always have better traffic & we should be catered to just a bit more

Linkster · 2005-01-29, 09:42 AM

One other source of traffic I didnt mention as I really didnt want to confuse the issue too much:
The WMs that are out there submitting free sites to Link Lists (at least the ones that are doing a good sales job) also all have some sort of fake linklist or HUB that they send their exit traffic to to filter the traffic even better. They also tend to add hosted free sites to their lists in an effort to garner more sales which is a fantastic approach.

If you look at pure economics of the issue - there are quite a few Link Lists out there that do get more traffic than some of the bigger TGPs - you would be surprised at the number of Linklists that have well over 50,000 surfers a day. Now once that traffic gets filtered to categories - Using one of my Link Lists or even GGs, Tommys or Richards Realm - the hosted free sites that get listed, stay around forever - no rotation off the list like a TGP, and no replacing normally with other hosted free sites.
As a matter of fact most hosted free sites get a special place on some Linklists to get even more traffic than a normal WM submitted free site.

The next part of the equation is to look at the search engine keywords you are targetting - dont take something like "sex" or "porn" as a good indicator, because again you are talking some trash traffic compared to more targetted traffic to a specific niche.
However if you look at the results for something you are really pushing - say and example would be cumshots -
http://www.google.com/search?q=cumsh...n&lr=&filter=0
you will see that the top 20 on Google are almost exclusively Link Lists and most are their niche categories for cumshots and facials.
That traffic is Golden because youve already knocked out the people looking for watersports

Now think about the conversions of that traffic if you have a hosted free site on all of those Link Lists - and then compare it to what you might get from 80,000 people looking at you free movies on a group of TGPs - and the Link list is going to get a good percentage of traffic thats looking for good sites to spend their money( a good rule of thumb is around 5%) - wheras a TGP with CJ or traffic skimming might get a .002% conversion rate - now plug in your profit per sale - and you will see the difference - and its a major gain for those sponsors using the hosted free sites.

2005-01-29, 09:14 AM	#1
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	BRAVO Linkster! BRAV-FUCKING-O! I will add that I think a lot of webmasters - both those that run affiliate programs as well as general everyday webmasters - think that the amount of traffic that you have equals the amount of money you're making, and most of us around here know that this is NOT the case. Link Lists, in general, have a lot less traffic than TGPs. A LOT LESS. But, as Linkster said, we have very loyal surfers & we filter the fuck out of them. Some of the biggest TGP's out there don't even have categories, but most Link Lists have realized that if you want to send niche specific traffic to the sites & sponsors that are listed, you have to sort things out as much as possible. My Gay Twink category gets fuck all for traffic as far as "big" numbers go, but I'd bet that 99.44% of the surfers on there are looking for Gay Twink sites. Link Lists are going to always be here - we're probably going to always have less traffic, but we're also going to always have better traffic & we should be catered to just a bit more __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-01-29, 09:42 AM	#2
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	One other source of traffic I didnt mention as I really didnt want to confuse the issue too much: The WMs that are out there submitting free sites to Link Lists (at least the ones that are doing a good sales job) also all have some sort of fake linklist or HUB that they send their exit traffic to to filter the traffic even better. They also tend to add hosted free sites to their lists in an effort to garner more sales which is a fantastic approach. If you look at pure economics of the issue - there are quite a few Link Lists out there that do get more traffic than some of the bigger TGPs - you would be surprised at the number of Linklists that have well over 50,000 surfers a day. Now once that traffic gets filtered to categories - Using one of my Link Lists or even GGs, Tommys or Richards Realm - the hosted free sites that get listed, stay around forever - no rotation off the list like a TGP, and no replacing normally with other hosted free sites. As a matter of fact most hosted free sites get a special place on some Linklists to get even more traffic than a normal WM submitted free site. The next part of the equation is to look at the search engine keywords you are targetting - dont take something like "sex" or "porn" as a good indicator, because again you are talking some trash traffic compared to more targetted traffic to a specific niche. However if you look at the results for something you are really pushing - say and example would be cumshots - http://www.google.com/search?q=cumsh...n&lr=&filter=0 you will see that the top 20 on Google are almost exclusively Link Lists and most are their niche categories for cumshots and facials. That traffic is Golden because youve already knocked out the people looking for watersports Now think about the conversions of that traffic if you have a hosted free site on all of those Link Lists - and then compare it to what you might get from 80,000 people looking at you free movies on a group of TGPs - and the Link list is going to get a good percentage of traffic thats looking for good sites to spend their money( a good rule of thumb is around 5%) - wheras a TGP with CJ or traffic skimming might get a .002% conversion rate - now plug in your profit per sale - and you will see the difference - and its a major gain for those sponsors using the hosted free sites. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash