Don't be an idiot! - Page 2

Opti · 2005-03-13, 12:49 PM

I think most PC's can be set to boot from an external drive.. it's handled by the motherboard chipset if it is supported.

I don't think there is any solution quite as simple as plug it in and boot up like I imagine the Mac does though.

Cleo · 2005-03-13, 12:58 PM

Yeah on a Mac you hold down the Option key and it boots into Open Firmware and then there is a GUI where it shows a list of drives that have a system on it and you boot from whatever drive by clicking on it. It can be FireWire, ATA, SCSI, and Serial ATA, but not USB for some odd reason.

You can also Hold the Command and S keys at the same time at boot to boot into the *nix command line and not have those annoying pretty icons in that goes along with a GUI.

I installed Panther into my iPod and can boot from it in an emergency.

Opti · 2005-03-13, 01:10 PM

WOW re the ipod.. Panther would be some sort of Mac OS I'm guessing?

Do you know how fragile the Ipod is btw? if i drop it on it concrete would the drive in it crash?

Cleo · 2005-03-13, 01:17 PM

Panther= Current version of Mac OS X, new version of Mac OS X is coming out next month and will be called Tiger. I guess Steve Jobs like cats or something.

iPods and pretty rugged. Mine is two years old and beat to hell but works perfect. I have the 40 gig model. When you are listening to music that drive hardly ever spins up since it has a huge cache that is holding whatever you are listening to so dripping it doesn't cause the HD to crash. I guess the most fragile part would be the LCD but I don't know anyone that has ever broken it. Apple actually doesn't recommend booting from it since its drive isn't designed to run continuous but I haven't had any problems in the short times that I have done this.

MeatPounder · 2005-03-13, 03:22 PM

Ghost has always been a sweet program, though it too is an intensive program always pushing the limits on boxes. Again most people do not know how to configure it properly and think they are secure against loss far more then they actually are.
I've been booting to usb thumbdrives for years as part of my computer sevice arsenal, most pc's since the 98 standards will boot to it with a lil tweaking of the bios.
Basically every single suggestion in this thread is appropriate to some degree.
For the Windows users that can afford it a 2k cluster is even more fault tolerant.
It all comes down to the fact, if it's vital you had better have some type of redundancy in place. And the amount of back up protection you need rises with how critical is that data if you lose it, along with how fast you need to recover it if you do lose it.

Opti · 2005-03-13, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo

Panther= Current version of Mac OS X, new version of Mac OS X is coming out next month and will be called Tiger. I guess Steve Jobs like cats or something.

iPods and pretty rugged. Mine is two years old and beat to hell but works perfect. I have the 40 gig model. When you are listening to music that drive hardly ever spins up since it has a huge cache that is holding whatever you are listening to so dripping it doesn't cause the HD to crash. I guess the most fragile part would be the LCD but I don't know anyone that has ever broken it. Apple actually doesn't recommend booting from it since its drive isn't designed to run continuous but I haven't had any problems in the short times that I have done this.

I've asked 3 or 4 sales people that question about the drive crashing, and been fed nothing but bullshit until now. Thanks Cleo!

Meatpounder.. that's how I feel about ghost.. I'm not really 100% certain I've got it setup right if I need a restore. I just have to take the time to read the instructions properly I am sure... but havent got around to that so far in the last few years

cd34 · 2005-03-13, 04:52 PM

With any disaster recovery plan, you should always test it to make sure everything works as expected.

I remember years ago a client was doing backups on a tape -- the tape was never verified after it was written. Mammoth issued a rom fix that allowed backup tapes created on their drives to be able to be read. Backup/Verify or testing it would have eliminated that problem. I of course was called in after a failure to reconstruct. It took 9 days to get that Rom fedexed because Mammoth had to burn new ones for each client.

If you are using norton ghost or some mirroring utility, take the time to try to boot off your backup -- or learn the procedure to get your data back over and test it.

No sense waiting until disaster to figure out how to do it.

One of the people in the WTC on the 71st floor went back for the company's backup tapes and his palm pilot. He walked away and singlehandedly saved his company weeks of lost data because they moved things offsite every 30 days on the 15th.

If it takes you a week or two to get your system back together, how much revenue loss are you dealing with?

Cleo · 2005-03-13, 04:53 PM

Some would say that iPods are built a bit too tough.
Brad Pulaski had died of blunt trauma to the head after being repeatedly bludgeoned with an iPod

I've dropped mine while biking. Slammed my car door on it. Ran over it with my car. Left it in my car where it got so hot that the display turned black and wouldn't come on until it cooled off. The plastic that is over the LCD is so scratched that it is a bit hard to read and it probably doesn't last as long on a charge as it used to but seems to last for even a very long bike ride so it isn't a problem.

Ghost sounds a lot like Carbon Copy Cloner except it costs money and sounds difficult to use.

amaze · 2005-03-14, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo

Can Windows computers boot from a FireWire drive the way Macs do?

Yes it can

dirtyjumbo there is one think I like to know, can you still use the HD, if so
http://www.ontrack.com/ can get the data fra you HD, it can, some time go 7 format down and get you data, I know, as I have try it more that one time

amaze · 2005-03-14, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatPounder

Ghost has always been a sweet program

you are right on that one... And I love the new one where you, done have to go in to dos |king|

Joe · 2005-03-14, 04:28 PM

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Ran over it with my car.

Should I even ask?

Cleo · 2005-03-14, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

Should I even ask?

It is really easy to do and I've done it a few times. Back when I carried a Palm I ran over that too and found out that Palm gives you a referb for $100 plus what is left of your old one. I'll forget that the iPod, phone or whatever is in my lap when I park in my garage and when I get out whatever falls on the floor and I don't always notice it until I'm backing out or something.

Lunatic · 2005-03-14, 05:57 PM

[quote=Cleo]Some would say that iPods are built a bit too tough.
Brad Pulaski had died of blunt trauma to the head after being repeatedly bludgeoned with an iPod

Wow. Seems like she takes her music a bit too seriously.

Shannon G · 2005-03-14, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleo

For the backup challenged the Maxtor One Touch is a good solution. I don't use this myself but I know lots that do,

Damn, that's cool!

... and easy! Looks like I'm gonna be breaking out the cc. lol

Much nicer than saving everything to disks and such. Thanks!

2005-03-13, 12:58 PM	#27
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Yeah on a Mac you hold down the Option key and it boots into Open Firmware and then there is a GUI where it shows a list of drives that have a system on it and you boot from whatever drive by clicking on it. It can be FireWire, ATA, SCSI, and Serial ATA, but not USB for some odd reason. You can also Hold the Command and S keys at the same time at boot to boot into the nix command line and not have those annoying pretty icons in that goes along with a GUI. I installed Panther into my iPod and can boot from it in an emergency. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft* Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2005-03-13, 01:17 PM	#29
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Panther= Current version of Mac OS X, new version of Mac OS X is coming out next month and will be called Tiger. I guess Steve Jobs like cats or something. iPods and pretty rugged. Mine is two years old and beat to hell but works perfect. I have the 40 gig model. When you are listening to music that drive hardly ever spins up since it has a huge cache that is holding whatever you are listening to so dripping it doesn't cause the HD to crash. I guess the most fragile part would be the LCD but I don't know anyone that has ever broken it. Apple actually doesn't recommend booting from it since its drive isn't designed to run continuous but I haven't had any problems in the short times that I have done this. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2005-03-13, 04:52 PM	#32
cd34 a.k.a. Sparky Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: West Palm Beach, FL, USA Posts: 2,396	With any disaster recovery plan, you should always test it to make sure everything works as expected. I remember years ago a client was doing backups on a tape -- the tape was never verified after it was written. Mammoth issued a rom fix that allowed backup tapes created on their drives to be able to be read. Backup/Verify or testing it would have eliminated that problem. I of course was called in after a failure to reconstruct. It took 9 days to get that Rom fedexed because Mammoth had to burn new ones for each client. If you are using norton ghost or some mirroring utility, take the time to try to boot off your backup -- or learn the procedure to get your data back over and test it. No sense waiting until disaster to figure out how to do it. One of the people in the WTC on the 71st floor went back for the company's backup tapes and his palm pilot. He walked away and singlehandedly saved his company weeks of lost data because they moved things offsite every 30 days on the 15th. If it takes you a week or two to get your system back together, how much revenue loss are you dealing with? __________________ SnapReplay.com a different way to share photos - iPhone & Android

2005-03-13, 04:53 PM	#33
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Some would say that iPods are built a bit too tough. Brad Pulaski had died of blunt trauma to the head after being repeatedly bludgeoned with an iPod I've dropped mine while biking. Slammed my car door on it. Ran over it with my car. Left it in my car where it got so hot that the display turned black and wouldn't come on until it cooled off. The plastic that is over the LCD is so scratched that it is a bit hard to read and it probably doesn't last as long on a charge as it used to but seems to last for even a very long bike ride so it isn't a problem. Ghost sounds a lot like Carbon Copy Cloner except it costs money and sounds difficult to use. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2005-03-14, 05:57 PM	#38
Lunatic Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 200	[quote=Cleo]Some would say that iPods are built a bit too tough. Brad Pulaski had died of blunt trauma to the head after being repeatedly bludgeoned with an iPod Wow. Seems like she takes her music a bit too seriously. __________________

2005-03-13, 12:49 PM	#26
Opti I Didn't Do It Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: au Posts: 795	I think most PC's can be set to boot from an external drive.. it's handled by the motherboard chipset if it is supported. I don't think there is any solution quite as simple as plug it in and boot up like I imagine the Mac does though.

2005-03-13, 01:10 PM	#28
Opti I Didn't Do It Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: au Posts: 795	WOW re the ipod.. Panther would be some sort of Mac OS I'm guessing? Do you know how fragile the Ipod is btw? if i drop it on it concrete would the drive in it crash?

2005-03-13, 03:22 PM	#30
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	Ghost has always been a sweet program, though it too is an intensive program always pushing the limits on boxes. Again most people do not know how to configure it properly and think they are secure against loss far more then they actually are. I've been booting to usb thumbdrives for years as part of my computer sevice arsenal, most pc's since the 98 standards will boot to it with a lil tweaking of the bios. Basically every single suggestion in this thread is appropriate to some degree. For the Windows users that can afford it a 2k cluster is even more fault tolerant. It all comes down to the fact, if it's vital you had better have some type of redundancy in place. And the amount of back up protection you need rises with how critical is that data if you lose it, along with how fast you need to recover it if you do lose it.