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Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know?
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An Opinion for Webmasters / Usenet & 2257
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We promoted our EroticUsenet service in the XBiz newsletter recently, which generated some incorrect statements from a couple of folks within the Greenguy & Jim message board. In response to that discussion thread, we'd like to make 3 points: 1) Usenet newsgroups predate the Internet, and they are provided by Telco, ISP, government, university, and corporate news servers worldwide. We receive over 2 million newsgroup postings a day, and during the 12 years that we've operated our Usenet service, we have not been involved in any legal matters related to 2257. If interested, I've included our complete 2257 policy statement at the end of this message 2) Generally speaking, the Usenet / 2257 discussion is usually originated by a handful of adult service providers who feel their home territory is being threatened. Rather than educate adult webmasters and developers about how Usenet can benefit their businesses, some providers seek to stifle competition by making negative comments about Usenet that are simply untrue & uninformed. 3) In regards to XBiz / Gigacash, they need to decide if they are in the business of selling advertising space or selling competing adult products & services... trying to juggle both, creates a clear conflict of interest. We appreciate the opportunity to correct some of the earlier misstatements, and if there are any questions about this topic, please feel free to contact us. Best regards, Joe D'Alessandro EroticUsenet.Com (T) 408-720-7620 / 1-866-487-3638 (E) info@eroticusenet.com ### Our 2257 statement: 18 U.S.C. Section 2257compliance does not apply to Usenet services of any type, from any provider, including those operating on government servers, corporate servers, universities, every major Telco and the tens of thousands of commercial Usenet services operating worldwide on the Internet. Usenet is a protocol or conveyance, designed to propagate millions of daily messages across virtually all Usenet services, Erotic Usenet is not a content originator, so there is no content to pledge as child pornography free. The analogy is an International phone company attempting to censor the contents of every phone conversation that takes place on its network. This does not mean we do not contribute to barring the presence of child pornography from Usenet. Erotic Usenet will not maintain a business relationship with any entity or individual responsible for posting child pornography through Erotic Usenet, or maintains such material as a component of their service. In addition, we will seek to block or filter originating points of this material, including discontinuing peering relationships with services that do propagate child pornography. Erotic Usenet maintains an outbound stream of "cancel messages" to cooperative services that removes material of this type as discovered, not only on Erotic Usenet systems, but participating services as well. Erotic Usenet actively assists law enforcement in child pornography investigations. Erotic Usenet maintains a system for customers to report to us any infractions of policy regarding child pornography and addresses reports expeditiously. |
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2005-04-18, 03:22 PM
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I always thought the purpose of 2257 was the prevention of child and other illegal types of pornography. Never read the part where the regulation states 'just wait till it happens, then pull it'.
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2005-04-18, 04:45 PM
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Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip!
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If Usenet providers should have to act as primary or secondary producers for all adult content that passes through their servers, then the same should apply to all ISPs, e-mail providers, hosting companies, and telcos. |
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2005-04-18, 06:25 PM
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Internet! Is that thing still around?
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3) In regards to XBiz / Gigacash, they need to decide if they are in the business of selling advertising space or selling competing adult products & services... trying to juggle both, creates a clear conflict of interest. (QUOTE)
UMMM GigaCash is an AFFILIATE PROGRAM, XBiz is a PU-BLI-CA-TION and NEWS SOURCE. Both companies are run seperately. Competing products and services???? You are kidding right, conflict of interest? NOT AT ALL.....Take a look at our advertisers why would we have the top ten AFFILIATE programs advertising with XBiz if I VP of GIGACASH an AFFILIATE PROGRAM was worried about competing products and services. It is too bad about this thread I called and tried to speak with you privately about your product Joe and our concerns regarding the exposure to XBiz and then you take it to the boards???
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2005-04-18, 10:13 PM
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Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know?
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You found a couple of posts in the Greenguy message board that talked about XBiz/EroticUsenet/2257, and you wanted to clarify a few points. We talked for an extended period of time, and at your request, we sent you a statement that detailed the relationship between Usenet, our service and 2257. After reviewing that information, you said there was "no problem", and that you'd post a reply in the Greenguy discussion thread. You also suggested that XBiz might write an editorial piece to help educate the adult industry about Usenet and the services that we provide. That was the last time we spoke. You never made a reply post to the Greenguy discussion thread, the editorial coverage never materialized, and you also failed to respond to several phone & email messages that we left for you. Additionally, we left several messages with our XBiz account rep (Kristen) that went unanswered. As a result, we elected to post some information into this discussion thread to help address some of the misconceptions about Usenet and our service. In regards to my other comment... I was simply saying that as a publisher it would seem to be a conflict of interest to operate an affiliate program (Gigacash) that's linked to a variety of commercial content sites that you own. As an example, when you run a WHOIS on several of the sites listed at http://gigacash.com/sites.html those domains are registered under Webstar Marketing, which appears on the advertising invoices that we've received from XBiz... shelovesbigballs.com coedchicks.com mombang.com etc. In the end, all we wanted to do was address some of these issues in a responsible manner, but you elected to close off communications and essentially left us out there to hang. Not sure what we were expected to do in that situation. |
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2005-04-19, 12:14 PM
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Internet! Is that thing still around?
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OK close off communications? everyone knows how to get a hold of me cell, offfice, ICQ, webmail etc I am always available 24/7 I did not hear back from you guys regarding the matter and I never said fine i said I needed to review your 2257 docs. Feel free to call me if you want. Bugbee
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2005-04-19, 05:48 PM
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Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know?
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As I mentioned, the last time we communicated was on 4/8/05. I emailed you our statement regarding Usenet/2257, and in your reply message you said there was "No problem". You also said that you'd review the docs a little further and contact me on Monday regarding an editorial piece. Monday passed without any reply from you. On Tuesday (4/12/05), I left an email and voice mail message for you. On Thursday (4/14/05) our 2nd ad ran in the XBiz newsletter, and I still had not heard back from you. On Friday morning I contacted our XBiz advertising rep (Kristen). Kristen said that she was heading into a meeting with you and Alex, and that the three of you would discuss our ad placement, as well as an editorial piece to inform folks about Usenet/EroticUsenet/2257. Kristen said she would call me back in 1-2 hours... I didn't hear from her the rest of the day. I left a voice mail message for her at approximately 3PM with no reply. Monday morning I called Kristen again. She thought I was another client, and began telling me about "artwork problems" until I refreshed her memory. She said that she wasn't in the office on Friday (not true, we had talked by phone that day), and that she didn't have a chance to meet with you and Alex. She suggested that we email Alex, rushed off the phone, and the runaround continued. In the end, all we had planned to do was run 3 months of advertising in your XBiz newsletter. After the 1st ad ran, you contacted us about 2257 concerns that were unwarranted & had nothing to do with our service. You basically dropped a turd in our lap, and than disappeared. You never followed up on the 2257 issue, never responded to the initial posts on the Greenguy board, and we never discussed the editorial coverage that you suggested. We were basically left in the dark, despite the fact that we didn't initiate all of this. |
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