Drugging girls? wtf

[stuveltje]

stil i need to sleep on the sofa thing..............damnnn 2.40 mdnight here, oh why i made that agreement...if i dont go the same time to bed as my hubby i agree i am banned from the bedroom............damnnn i am nuts.........gonna find me a nice place on the sofa to sleep................damnnn guys ##$%%%###$

[Lemmy]

I just approved that site, and personally don't have a problem with it as long as it's clearly staged.

While I obviously don't condone drugging girls in real life, this is the enactment of a fantasy. Every time we go to the movies we enjoy things that are illegal in the real world as entertainment, even rape, murder and torture. Just my 2 cents.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

I just approved that site, and personally don't have a problem with it as long as it's clearly staged.

While I obviously don't condone drugging girls in real life, this is the enactment of a fantasy. Every time we go to the movies we enjoy things that are illegal in the real world as entertainment, even rape, murder and torture. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah, that similarity with horros and thrillers came to my mind also.

[natalie]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

I just approved that site, and personally don't have a problem with it as long as it's clearly staged.

While I obviously don't condone drugging girls in real life, this is the enactment of a fantasy. Every time we go to the movies we enjoy things that are illegal in the real world as entertainment, even rape, murder and torture. Just my 2 cents.

Rarely do we see a movie where rape, murder and torture is shown as ok though or even encouraged. Thats a big difference.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by natalie

Rarely do we see a movie where rape, murder and torture is shown as ok though or even encouraged. Thats a big difference.

No, it is not ok, but watching it brings you some kind of pleasure, this is common for both movies and free sites. And when we are speaking about torture, are you sure you or other people here who think that free site is worth to be banned do not list torture sites? Where is the difference?

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by natalie

Rarely do we see a movie where rape, murder and torture is shown as ok though or even encouraged.

Agreed, and I don't think this website legitimizes or encourages drug induced rape. If that were the case I'd probably reject it too. It caters to a particular fantasy. Some might find it repulsive, others enticing. Just because you have a fantasy doesn't mean you actually want to go out and perform the act. Isn't this ultimately what porn is all about; catering to people's fantasies?

[Useless]

There is a HUGE MOTHERFUCKING difference between promoting the fantasy of a man wanting to sleep with an Asain woman, a black woman, a pregant woman, whatever, and promoting nonconsensual sex. If it is nonconsensual, it is rape. Period. Do you people have to see the agony in a woman's eyes or hear her screams for help to believe that it is rape?

I suppose life experience with this subject makes some more sensitive than others. Marry a someone who has been molested. Date someone who has been drugged, beaten and raped. You'll understand that what you refer to as fantasy is really a twisted fucking illness.

Listen to a 911 tape of a terrified woman calling for help when a man breaks in to her home to rape her - and continue to listen as she shrieks and begs for her life as he pounds her into submission and all that is left to hear are her soft wimpers. Then wipe the tears from your eyes and come back and explain the fucking fantasy part to me again, cause I don't get it.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

There is a HUGE MOTHERFUCKING difference between promoting the fantasy of a man wanting to sleep with an Asain woman, a black woman, a pregant woman, whatever, and promoting nonconsensual sex. If it is nonconsensual, it is rape. Period. Do you people have to see the agony in a woman's eyes or hear her screams for help to believe that it is rape?

I suppose life experience with this subject makes some more sensitive than others. Marry a someone who has been molested. Date someone who has been drugged, beaten and raped. You'll understand that what you refer to as fantasy is really a twisted fucking illness.

Listen to a 911 tape of a terrified woman calling for help when a man breaks in to her home to rape her - and continue to listen as she shrieks and begs for her life as he pounds her into submission and all that is left to hear are her soft wimpers. Then wipe the tears from your eyes and come back and explain the fucking fantasy part to me again, cause I don't get it.

Slammed with work here so haven't been posting...

But, just read this thread...and thought UW's post was worth repeating...

Folks, we sell fantasy here...fantasy amongst CONSENTING adults. If someone is drugged, passed out, or in some way incapacitated...it's NOT consensual...period.

Yes, I realize the site in question isn't real...but why even feed the sick fucking twisted ass fantasy of non-consensual sex???

This one would definitely be an insta BAN on my list

[Fido]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You'll understand that what you refer to as fantasy is really a twisted fucking illness.

Many people assume that people aroused by rape fantasies must be more likely than others to commit the actual act, or that victims with rape fantasies actually want to become victims of sexual assault. This does not correspond with observed scientific evidence, however; while rapists usually fantasize about rape, so do normal psychologically healthy people.

In fact, an inability to use sexual fantasies for gratification is often regarded by law enforcement and other professionals as a more alarming warning sign than the presence of sexual fantasies of rape or sadism. Millions of normal people fantasize about rape, or being raped without wanting it to happen in reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#Sexual_fantasy

[Mishi]

Thank goodness for people like Natalie, Useless Warrior, and Mr Yum who are willing to call bullshit.

Like Cleo, I draw a line between sites that present chicks as tipsy and uninhibited vs. drunk out of their minds (or passed out) and oblivious. Unfortunately, it seems many (if not most) submitters don't draw that line, so I've more or less banned that content.

Yes, porn is fantasy. But the only way we can even begin to defend our industry is if we choose to ensure that fantasy involves consenting adults. Period.

Fido, I appreciate your post and I think I understand what you're coming from. I just feel that type of fantasy is better served by the written word, where realities and motivations can be addressed. In my opinion, a picture gallery can't be justified as "free speech" if it does nothing more than depict a crime, in a positive framework.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

catering to people's fantasies?

I think there's a point though that you have to be careful in crossing. There's a lot of people with sexual urges and fantasies that go to that illegal side.

[Toni KatVixen]

I've been following this thread and trying to decide how & if I was going to respond.

But I believe Useless expressed some of the thoughts I had very well.

I do not believe in promoting non-consensual sex. As a female I find those sites extremely sicking & messed up. It is sites like that bring down the heat on the rest of us. Cuz some crazy fucker will follow that "fantasy" and some poor woman will pay the price & then the link to “porn” will come out.

That is not porn, that is nauseating.