Index doorway trick (or some magic :)

[SortLinks]

To the attention of LL owners and posters!

Looks like some sly guys who post free sites to SortLinks,
begin to use very simple technique to generate doorways.

Theoretically
".. One can put 2 indexes: index.htm and index.html in one folder and then in .htaccess
set any of these pages as default page for the folder... so someone's recips (on the other page) will got off"


Example:
http://www.japamor.com/sites/teen/te...ring/index.htm
See the page google indexes :
http://216.239.59.104/search?sourcei...ng%2Findex.htm
Sortlink's recip is out there

some of those guys use this trick to google-cache their own page instead of recips page
http://www.thepantyhose.ws/foot-jobs/index.htm (see google cache)...and all of his free sites.


To free site posters: These are doorways. Please DO NOT use such technique
PLEASE USE structure like that:
domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

To Link List owners: Check your listed sites, I think you may find these examples easily at your LL.
Please watch carefully and post cheaters there...

[Joe]

Hm, interesting.

Nice catch too.

[MadMax]

for what it's worth, the assfuck who owns thepantyhose.ws is blacklisted by me as well as all his other domains. This is just the latest on him. Do a board search and you'll come up with a thread or two in "cheaters"

[Kinky]

it isn't a trick, it has been posted here numerous times to put recips on .htm and .html because every list is starting to demand that they are on an index page... if there are both index.htm and index.html files in the same directory .html is the default and that is what google caches

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by kinky

because every list is starting to demand that they are on an index page

Just curious, how does someone submit to multiple LL's then? Duplicate the page and put it in a new folder? I don't do freesites anymore, but was curious about the process

[Mishi]

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Just curious, how does someone submit to multiple LL's then? Duplicate the page and put it in a new folder?

I think the best way is the example given in the post which started the thread:

domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

You would have one set of images in the site's main directory, referred to as 'site1' above. Then you'd make copies of the html pages, put them in subdirectories, and link to the images in the main directory. Some people copy only the index page and put it in a subdirectory, then link it back to a single main page, but jumping directories can get you rejected at some lists. There are, of course link lists that you'll want to put on the sites true index because of the value of their traffic, or it's abundance.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I think the best way is the example given in the post which started the thread:

domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

You would have one set of images in the site's main directory, referred to as 'site1' above. Then you'd make copies of the html pages, put them in subdirectories, and link to the images in the main directory. Some people copy only the index page and put it in a subdirectory, then link it back to a single main page, but jumping directories can get you rejected at some lists. There are, of course link lists that you'll want to put on the sites true index because of the value of their traffic, or it's abundance.

Ah, I see. So why wouldn't you submit to the top 12 lists only? If you submit to say 120 linklists, putting 12 LL's Recips per page, you're creating 10 duplicate pages and would probably end up getting hosed in the SE's for the duplicate page penalty?

I've noticed this with my tgp gallery pages, I used to SEO all the pages and use text sales pitch. They do get indexed in google, but I get killed because of the the fact there's x number of duplicate pages created.

Sure reducing the LL's to the top 12 would cut down on the initial burst of traffic, but wouldn't it help you in the long run in SE traffic if you did that?

[Useless]

I agree, Mr. Blue. That's one of the reasons that I only submit to the amount of link lists that I can fit on a single index. The other reason is laziness. At the same time, I wouldn't suggest my business plan to anyone, unless I didn't like them.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I agree, Mr. Blue. That's one of the reasons that I only submit to the amount of link lists that I can fit on a single index. The other reason is laziness. At the same time, I wouldn't suggest my business plan to anyone, unless I didn't like them.

That makes complete sense. I guess if you really wanted to you could make the duplicate pages "no index" in the meta tags, but that would be kinda sleazy and unfair. So, less is more in the long run.

[ronnie]

Others would argue, the more "different" link backs you have is better. 120 links from 120 different urls is better than 12. So they say...

ronnie

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by ronnie

Others would argue, the more "different" link backs you have is better. 120 links from 120 different urls is better than 12. So they say...

ronnie

I wonder if the 120 linkbacks would negate the duplicate page penalty. I'm thinking it wouldn't...I guess you could always change the index page enough so it wouldn't be an exact duplicate. Say, change the alt tags and the warning for entering the site might be enough to remove that penalty.

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I wonder if the 120 linkbacks would negate the duplicate page penalty. I'm thinking it wouldn't...I guess you could always change the index page enough so it wouldn't be an exact duplicate. Say, change the alt tags and the warning for entering the site might be enough to remove that penalty.

Course thats a very big question, how much in similarity is duplicate? According to SE's. Probably something that does'nt have a accurate answer.

ronnie

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by SortLinks

To the attention of LL owners and posters!

Looks like some sly guys who post free sites to SortLinks,
begin to use very simple technique to generate doorways.

Theoretically
".. One can put 2 indexes: index.htm and index.html in one folder and then in .htaccess
set any of these pages as default page for the folder... so someone's recips (on the other page) will got off"


Example:
http://www.japamor.com/sites/teen/te...ring/index.htm
See the page google indexes :
http://216.239.59.104/search?sourcei...ng%2Findex.htm
Sortlink's recip is out there

some of those guys use this trick to google-cache their own page instead of recips page
http://www.thepantyhose.ws/foot-jobs/index.htm (see google cache)...and all of his free sites.


To free site posters: These are doorways. Please DO NOT use such technique
PLEASE USE structure like that:
domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

To Link List owners: Check your listed sites, I think you may find these examples easily at your LL.
Please watch carefully and post cheaters there...

Japamor posts here, maybe he'll reply?

ronnie

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by ronnie

Course thats a very big question, how much in similarity is duplicate? According to SE's. Probably something that does'nt have a accurate answer.

ronnie

The warning text on most freesites is pretty lengthy though...if you came up with enough variations you might do alright into tricking the spiders.

[japamor]

Hi All
I've already swapped several Emails with Sortlinks over this. I thought that using index.html and index.htm was just normal practice. I certainly didn't realise that Google always defaulted to the .html.

I presume then that .htm sites have no real use to Free Site makers?
All I can say is that in future all my sites will be on a true index. My apologies to LL owners who've been on my .htm sites.
We live and learn.
japamor

[airdick]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I wonder if the 120 linkbacks would negate the duplicate page penalty. I'm thinking it wouldn't...I guess you could always change the index page enough so it wouldn't be an exact duplicate. Say, change the alt tags and the warning for entering the site might be enough to remove that penalty.

Once the page is full of different recips links it's no longer a duplicate, right?

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by airdick

Once the page is full of different recips links it's no longer a duplicate, right?

Now there's a thought...hmm, interesting.

[Mcbethar]

Originally Posted by airdick

Once the page is full of different recips links it's no longer a duplicate, right?

Here you got an useful tool (posted by PointingPercy on another thread on the SEO forum) to see if your site may be falling victim to the Google duplicate content filter. Apparently a duplicate rating of 75 - 80% is pretty bad news for your SEP's.
http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php - Duplicate content tool.
Hope it helps

Mcbethar

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Mcbethar

Here you got an useful tool (posted by PointingPercy on another thread on the SEO forum) to see if your site may be falling victim to the Google duplicate content filter. Apparently a duplicate rating of 75 - 80% is pretty bad news for your SEP's.
http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php - Duplicate content tool.
Hope it helps

Mcbethar

TY, looks like a good way to check.

[airdick]

Originally Posted by Mcbethar

Here you got an useful tool (posted by PointingPercy on another thread on the SEO forum) to see if your site may be falling victim to the Google duplicate content filter. Apparently a duplicate rating of 75 - 80% is pretty bad news for your SEP's.
http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php - Duplicate content tool.
Hope it helps

Mcbethar

Assuming that the tool actually reflects Google's reality, the more text-based recip tables you use on your mirrored warning pages the better.

[Wenchy]

I was under the apparently-misguided impression that mirrored index pages for LL submissions were standard practice. I know that certainly used to be the case, and at one time all of the big WM boards taught that as a matter of course (some still do).

Granted, I've been out of the loop for awhile and things may have (probably have) changed while I was away...

[SortLinks]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

The warning text on most freesites is pretty lengthy though...if you came up with enough variations you might do alright into tricking the spiders.

Yeah,
The best may ever is to use the structure of first post, and modify each doorway's main and gallery pages by hand (pretty much of code-jerking

But as long as every singly index page is filled with diffrent recips this example alone serves well.

[Jeremy]

Google has this URL in it's DB & look at the "Google Cache of":

http://www.japamor.com/sites/teen/teenblondefingering/

which would be whatever the default index page is on the server.

My guess is Google's trying to be "intelligent" about people looking for blah.com/ndex.html or blah.com/index.htm and defaults to blah.com/ if it has it.

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Wenchy

I was under the apparently-misguided impression that mirrored index pages for LL submissions were standard practice. I know that certainly used to be the case, and at one time all of the big WM boards taught that as a matter of course (some still do).

Granted, I've been out of the loop for awhile and things may have (probably have) changed while I was away...

nope..i agree.. chances are there is more traffic generated by the .htm pages to the recepts listed on it than there is to the html pages listed in google.

of course this has been a topic of OTB on several occassions.. and perhaps those who aren't quite familiar with the html/htm concept should make a point in attending.

and if the theory is that you have to be on the HTML page to get listed, i think quite a few of the smaller medium sized LL will see a decrease in submits which decreases traffic.

Think bookmarkers, think link pop, think updated PR value.

play to your audience not the google gods.