the future of tgps and link lists (maybe)

[Useless]

I have a silly question, as I often do. Have you thought out the recip link situation? Say Mr. Dingle enters a free site on the eternally free link-o-rama, on his scroll down the warning page he zooms in on the recip for a Scrote's Links, a non-free link list, and clicks-thru. Now he is confronted with something that is, for all intents and purposes, a paysite.

Wouldn't the recip for a link list which charges become considered a sponsor link out?

Also, shouldn't the link list then have to have an affiliate program to pay webmasters for bringing traffic to their sites?

What goes around, comes around.

[PayAsYouClick]

This idea is not so far fetched, with PayAsYouClick you can do it. And get paid for sending the referrals as an affiliate of PayAsYouClick.

Imagine starting off with a section that surfers have to pay to enter, you could eventually remove the free section. (Sort of wean them off the free stuff.) This indeed may be the way to make free porn less available.

- cheryl

[juggernaut]

well i not in tgp or LL. but i look at it like this. music was free for years on the internet. then people had to charge for it and still people always look for the free music. i think this would be a really hard sale. i mean if i wanted to sign up for something why not just sign up to a really good porn site that offers weekly updates. the only thing the i can see the tgp or the LL would offer is more varity and daily updates. could be a good selling point but i dont know. for me as a surfer i would feel very scared to pay for a tgp or LL. to many times i have gone to them to only find pop ups out the ying yang, and someone trying to install spyware on my box. i would be very pissed if anything other then a cookie got installed and i was paying for the service. just me. im not the pro just the surfer.

[Greenguy]

Is it the end of January again?

I can't wait to have my Super Bowl party

[bret]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Is it the end of January again?

I can't wait to have my Super Bowl party

LOL. no shit. why did this thread get resurected?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by bret

LOL. no shit. why did this thread get resurected?

The username and web site of the resurectee gives a pretty good clue to the why, a topic to post to where it wouldn't look like blatant

[Tommy]

I think this would be a great project for someone to start with a NEW tgp

[PayAsYouClick]

juggernaut, I am suggesting clean galleries, no popups nothing secretly installed, not even blind links.

Bret, and Greenguy I thought the thread deserved a reawakening in the light that it is possible to turn TGP / MGP and other free sites into money making opportunities. And since PayAsYouClick is now starting to seek to advertise on boards it is always nice to know how friendly those boards are to new ideas.

Thanks,

- Cheryl

[Greenguy]

PayAsYouClick - we're not that friendly when threads like this are brought back to life as if you just found it, when in reality you were contributing to it back when it was popular 15 weeks ago & only brought it back to life to spam your program.

[swedguy]

Originally Posted by PayAsYouClick

I thought the thread deserved a reawakening in the light that it is possible to turn TGP / MGP and other free sites into money making opportunities.

So it really is possible to make money doing this? I had no idea.

[PayAsYouClick]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

PayAsYouClick - we're not that friendly when threads like this are brought back to life as if you just found it, when in reality you were contributing to it back when it was popular 15 weeks ago & only brought it back to life to spam your program.

I appologize if I came across as spamming. I am new to the company, and in my search to find what to post and where to post I am discovering older threads that were missed by the company that I feel are relevant.



with appologies

- cheryl

PS, I am serious about advertising. Please send me an email of your rates to:
cheryl@payasyouclick.com

[Greenguy]

cheryl - maybe you should read the entire thread before you post, as the username "PayAsYouClick" has posted to this thread numerous times, which means your company did not miss this thread.

[PayAsYouClick]

Originally Posted by swedguy

So it really is possible to make money doing this? I had no idea.

Yes, there are many ways you can make money with this concept.

1.) Just send referrals to the program. ( You will earn 50% of whatever they spend where ever they spend it in the system. -- As far as I know, no other billing company offers this kind of payout.)

2.) You can create a section on your TGP / MGP or Link List site and charge for the surfer to see it.

3.) You can use your own content to create a 2nd chance for those who do not take your full membership.

4.) You can use your own content to create sites that offer part of the content for a small fee and an upsell to the full month's version

No signup fees and nothing to lose but a few hours of time designing and setting it up.

If you would like more info please ask or email me.

Thanks for your interest.

- cheryl

[Tommy]

I think this is a great thread and I am glad someone woke it up

[Greenguy]

I hate you Tommy

[PayAsYouClick]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

cheryl - maybe you should read the entire thread before you post, as the username "PayAsYouClick" has posted to this thread numerous times, which means your company did not miss this thread.

I am sorry, you are correct, I did not read the entire thread, I read the initial post and some of the first page.

I would like to be friends here.

[PayAsYouClick]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I think this is a great thread and I am glad someone woke it up

Thank you Tommy.

- Cheryl

[Tommy]

this is a good subject...
that pay as you click program could work out really nice for gallerys if a smart webmaster worked on it

think about posting a gallery of really sweet content
you put 15 pics on the free gallery/site
and then tell them there are 100 more pics to this set and they can download the rest of the pics in a zip file for 2 bucks or 10 cents a pic

[PayAsYouClick]

Originally Posted by Tommy

this is a good subject...
that pay as you click program could work out really nice for gallerys if a smart webmaster worked on it

think about posting a gallery of really sweet content
you put 15 pics on the free gallery/site
and then tell them there are 100 more pics to this set and they can download the rest of the pics in a zip file for 2 bucks or 10 cents a pic

Good point, but to be real honest, all a TGP / MGP sites need to do to earn some cash is to send traffic the site list to accrue referrals. Those that are referred by the webmaster are his/hers to keep - each referral will net 50% of the sale to the referral. There is no reason why every TGP does not have a link to send traffic to the site list at PayAsYouClick. It is just another money making opportunity.

- Cheryl

[CD Smith]

Originally Posted by Tommy

3- 4 years ago everyone said the same thing about paid submits

True, but getting webmasters to cough up some dough for the privilege of submitting and getting surfers to cough up even one dollar is two very different things.

I think most surfers would look for other sites that aren't charging a fee.

[Sinistress]

Okay...

I read through this thread (every post every page!) and I think that if done right, it could work. Key is, how does one go about doing it "right" as far as legality issues, as GG brought up. There was debate over whether the surfer would pay for the entire directory or pay per link clicked on... and who owned what.

I think that you could probably feasibly do it if you charged the surfer a small fee for access to the directory. This is not uncommon in mainstream webmastering by any means, if we think about say "people finders" the people can run searches etc for people / places etc, but they can't view ANYTHING until they pay a small fee, then they can view EVERYTHING. They have to pay for the directory... to try to charge someone per click on a link, it would have to depend on the link, and if the link really DID belong to the linklist. Is it the LL owners work? Is it the LL owners server that it is hosted on? Is it the LL owners domain, etc? Yeah there's a link TO it through the LL owners domain, but that doesn't make it "his/her" link or site or gallery by any means.

That's where I see the biggest legal discrepency in all of this... but I could be wrong <shrugs>

Xxx-SIN-xxX

[PayAsYouClick]

I am sure there are going to be differing opinions as to who owns what, is your surfer paying to see your collection of links, or is your surfer paying to see your recommendations? If using sponsor content or free hosted galleries then it is better to contact the sponsor for their opinion. I am sure once they understood that you are technically pre-screening traffic to be sent to them (sending cc holding surfers might make a difference.)

- Cheryl

[bret]

Originally Posted by CD Smith

True, but getting webmasters to cough up some dough for the privilege of submitting and getting surfers to cough up even one dollar is two very different things.

I think most surfers would look for other sites that aren't charging a fee.

the same could be argued for paid submissions.. the submitters would go where it is free. some do, you can't throw up a bunch of crap and expect somone to pay for it. if you have a good established reputation and provide quality product, people will pay for it. would you pay to submit to john doe's fly-by-night submitter page? but you have no problem paying someone you know and trust in the industry, dr. bizzaro, shemp, et al.

the trust factor is huge with all the scammers out there, and they scams just keep increasing. if the surfer develops a relationship with your site, you earn their trust, and eventually maybe even their dollars.

[PayAsYouClick]

Originally Posted by bret

the same could be argued for paid submissions.. the submitters would go where it is free. some do, you can't throw up a bunch of crap and expect somone to pay for it. if you have a good established reputation and provide quality product, people will pay for it. would you pay to submit to john doe's fly-by-night submitter page? but you have no problem paying someone you know and trust in the industry, dr. bizzaro, shemp, et al.

the trust factor is huge with all the scammers out there, and they scams just keep increasing. if the surfer develops a relationship with your site, you earn their trust, and eventually maybe even their dollars.

I totally agree. Trust is as important to webmasters as it is with surfers. It takes time and lots of people to work together to gain respect and trust.

- cheryl

[Barron]

Originally Posted by Tommy

this is a good subject...
that pay as you click program could work out really nice for gallerys if a smart webmaster worked on it

Disclaimer: I am signing up for this for a project of mine. I like this concept.

However, the operative phrase is "smart webmaster".

I say this only as a heads up:
Cheryl is quite the sales person. She has the ability to put the right disclaimers in just the right spots in every post. This is not a bad thing or to say what Cheryl is posting is wrong. Just that, if your a webmaster, I'd read the fine print and understand completely what your doing before you start applying this concept in some of the ways that have been suggested.

I've read serveral posts on here and other boards about this concept. Considering the various ways that this concept can be applied, I think a trip to a copyright lawyer would be money well spent.


On another note,

In a perfect world, there are a couple of kinks in the scenario where the surfer pays to see links. If, and this is a big if, the link list or tgp requires payment from the webmaster to get listed AND the link list or tgp requires payment from the surfer, then I want to get paid also.

Imagine this, I pay for my hosting, I paid for the content, I spent my time developing/creating the listing and I get nothing? I think this is a wrinkle that woud need to be worked out.

Even if I didnt have to pay the listing, if someone is making money off my work, I want a piece of the action.

Getting free porn off the net is a very very good idea. Getting the surfer to pay, even for the right to see the links is a good idea. I think this should be the topic on every board for next two or three weeks so smarter people than me can come up with ways that everybody can make money off the idea of charging the surfer to see links.

(sending cc holding surfers might make a difference.) .... Cheryl

I like that phrase "might make", I think this reasoning was tried with AVS sites. Not as many people made money as was expected. Caveat: I know I know, lots of people made, and are making, really good money.

P.S. Cheryl, if you ever need a job, look me up, your really good


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