how important is unique IP / nameserver to SE ranking?

[SexVideoContent]

How much importance do s.e.'s give to having linked sites on different IP's?

What about nameservers? Does it matter as far as s.e. to have multiple IP's if they're all on the same nameserver?

Does it matter if the IP's are sequential? Should the IP's be from completely different ranges?

If so, which field in the IP address should be different, for example an IP address in the form aa.bb.c.ddd does it only matter that the numbers in the field 'ddd' are far apart from each other (in multiple IP's), or should the fields 'bb' or 'c' be different as well?

Thanks in advance for any help on this, I've been looking at a few different seo forums and haven't really seen anything addressing this question.

[Bill]

That's a debateable topic.

There was a time when it was fairly important.

Now, I would say it's just a little bit important. Important enough that it's one of the many small details to be thinking about, but not so important that you can't rank well without it.

But, most se guys do make some effort to get seperate ips and try to get different class c's and to use multiple servers and nameservers.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Bill

That's a debateable topic.

not really

But, most se guys do make some effort to get seperate ips and try to get different class c's and to use multiple servers and nameservers.

Why do you think that is? Google has said they are only returning two results if the sites with similar content are on the same Class C.

[Bill]

It's been debated here many times before, and at many other places as well.

Hence, it's a debateable topic.

I answered the question on the level at which it I thought it was being asked. He didn't say "I'm planning on using a page generator to build 30,000 pages to promote my site. Do you think it's important to have sep IPs, different class c's, and nameservers for that?".

For which question, clearly your answer would be better.

I personally do have sep ip's, multiple servers, and class c's. But that's just me. There are other se guys, with different strategies, that will argue just as long and hard that the evidence is that you don't need it.

Of course, they would also say that anyone who builds a hundred similar sites on the same class c and server deserves to only get two results shown.

Your server packages look like a pretty good deal.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Bill

It's been debated here many times before, and at many other places as well.

Hence, it's a debateable topic.

Your right . . . . people debate Creationism vs Darwin, and whether or not we landed on the moon or not, and there are probably some people that still think the earth is flat.

The fact is that Google has stated that they are filtering, if people want to debate that fact, fine. But personally, if they tell me they are doing it, I am going to believe it.

Of course, we tested the theory ourselves, and it turned out they were right. But I am sure you will find someone that will say it was purely coincidental.

[Bill]

Where did google state this?

I don't disagree- but, arranging for multiple class c's isn't the first thing to be addressed when you are starting to try for se traffic.

[neveremail]

I guess you should think of it in terms of what is the actual goal of SEs.
Its to find the content that the surfer is looking for. IPs and name servers are not of any any relevance for that.
Like Bill says - It does have some importance - but it is tiny compared to the other factors such as keywords, backlinks etc.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by neveremail

I guess you should think of it in terms of what is the actual goal of SEs.
Its to find the content that the surfer is looking for. IPs and name servers are not of any any relevance for that.
Like Bill says - It does have some importance - but it is tiny compared to the other factors such as keywords, backlinks etc.

Excuse me, but you are missing the big picture here. Let's say you have 100 freesites in the mature niche. If someone does a search looking for some mature content do you want Google to show all 100 in their search results, or just two of them?

How is it helping the surfer for them to not know about your 98 other sites?

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by baddog

Excuse me, but you are missing the big picture here. Let's say you have 100 freesites in the mature niche. If someone does a search looking for some mature content do you want Google to show all 100 in their search results, or just two of them?

How is it helping the surfer for them to not know about your 98 other sites?

I dont profess being an expert on the subject and please enlighten me if I'm wrong. |cool|

Firstly most of a webmasters free sites (of the same niche) are on the same domain name (or a small number of domain names). But if you are implying that all 100 freesites are on seperate domains then both you as a webmaster and the surfer would want all your sites in the Search Results (unless the pictures and content were pretty much the same, which, if your a good webmaster they shouldn't be).

As bill says if your just pretty much duplicating content then of course your sites will be punished for doing so and to avoid this you should be on different nameservers and IPs. But a good webmaster should not really duplicate content.

So, if you have 100 sites on different domains then yes all of should appear in the search results as long as its not duplicated content. But being free sites (so only small with low PR etc) they will probably be buried very deep in the SERPs.

However 100 sites on 1 IP is a bad idea, I'm sure google will pick up on that and possiblt take a disliking to it (possibly considering it should just be treated as one big site).

So you should limit the amount of sites per IP/nameserver.

I dont really know an exact figure but I think the generally about 5 domains per IP.

Am I right here or not?????

[baddog]

Originally Posted by neveremail

I dont profess being an expert on the subject and please enlighten me if I'm wrong. |cool|

Firstly most of a webmasters free sites (of the same niche) are on the same domain name (or a small number of domain names). But if you are implying that all 100 freesites are on seperate domains then both you as a webmaster and the surfer would want all your sites in the Search Results (unless the pictures and content were pretty much the same, which, if your a good webmaster they shouldn't be).

You have to remember that a spider doesn't look at pictures to see if they are different. It looks at the text, and just how different is your text going to be from site to site?

I do not claim to be a freesite expert, but I do look at dozens of AVS sites daily, and I can only say that my experience is that I can tell by looking at a site which one of my affiliates it belongs to if they are one of those that submits multiple sites every day.

The pictures may change, but the sales pitch is pretty much the same . . . even if it is a different niche.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by neveremail

So, if you have 100 sites on different domains then yes all of should appear in the search results as long as its not duplicated content. But being free sites (so only small with low PR etc) they will probably be buried very deep in the SERPs.

However 100 sites on 1 IP is a bad idea, I'm sure google will pick up on that and possiblt take a disliking to it (possibly considering it should just be treated as one big site).

So you should limit the amount of sites per IP/nameserver.

I dont really know an exact figure but I think the generally about 5 domains per IP.

Am I right here or not?????

A couple points of clarification here:

Good PR or poor PR has zero to do with SERP's.

We do not recommend putting even two domains on 1 IP, much less 100's. You can put several sites on the same class C, as long as their themes are different. That is why you will notice our dedicated hosting packages have up to 14 IPs per Class C, but with unlimited nameservers.

[SexVideoContent]

Originally Posted by baddog

Good PR or poor PR has zero to do with SERP's.

The domains I was referring to are both PR0 and were both in the top 10 on google.

We do not recommend putting even two domains on 1 IP, much less 100's. You can put several sites on the same class C, as long as their themes are different. That is why you will notice our dedicated hosting packages have up to 14 IPs per Class C, but with unlimited nameservers.

What is a 'class c'?

[Bill]

baddog, if you had started out by saying "this is my opinion, and this is why I think this is right", instead of "I'm 100% right and you suck.", you'd be a lot more persuasive.

this ain't gfy, it's not all about being the first to get in a cut.

Funny thing is, I operate as if what you were saying is true, even tho I happen to think there is no certain way to know wether or not it's true.

It's a variable that can be controlled for, and after a certain point in the se game it makes complete sense to use the whole sep ip, c's, & servers approach.

But compared to stuff like keyword choices, text, structure and linking, it's not _that_ important.

Which I believe is what I said originally.

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by baddog

Good PR or poor PR has zero to do with SERP's.

Maybe toolbar PR but actual Page Rank does which is what I'm talking about. But thats going off the subjuect anyway.

[baddog]

Google has made it publicly known that if you have multiple sites, with essentially the same content, on the same Class C subnet, they are going to impose what is called the host crowding penalty. This penalty means that they are only returning two results for you, rather than however many sites you may have with the content requested.

It is precisely this reason that we came up with GotWebHost.com. We offer virtual and dedicated hosting packages that offer not only multiple IP's but multiple Class C subnets, and multiple and private nameservers.

[SexVideoContent]

Well the reason I asked this is because I've been using cross links for a while on my sites, but none of the sites were really set up for SEO; however last week I bought a second hosting account (different nameserver and IP) and within two days found that new page and another on my other account linking to it in google's top ten listings. I was just trying to figure out how I accomplished that, whether it was due to the text on the pages being set up more for seo, the links being on different hosts, or what. I've never had any luck with s.e. results prior to this and I'd like to figure out what I did

Thanks for the replies, it sounds like it has more to do with the pages being optimized than the hosting accounts.

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by SexVideoContent

Thanks for the replies, it sounds like it has more to do with the pages being optimized than the hosting accounts.

I'd agree, but I'm no expert. Maybe you could post the sites and we could have a look. Include the keywords your considering.

[DangerDave]

SVC,

Unfortunately those listings wont last... but that is not a totally bad thing...


Your new pages were found by Google's daily running bot(commonly/previously known as FreshBot), and they were 'looked at', 'grabbed' and listed in what the bot thought was a good place to put them..

Google's bots will come back and look at the pages again and give them a 'better/deeper' look, and then they will "fall" into their true rankings...

Your good ranking is because Googlebot found fresh "content"... and as we all know Google loves fresh "content".

It has little or nothing to do with the IP/host etc.


Keep an eye on those pages and where they rank in Google and it will give you a good idea about how it all works.

This tool can help you keep track of them. - http://www.nichebot.com/ranking/

Remember! - no tool does the work for you, no tool is 100% accurate, Google does what IT wants to, when it wants to.

[As always - this post is an opinion based on experience and should not be considered fact unless properly supported by legitimate references and examples.]

DD

[SexVideoContent]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

This tool can help you keep track of them. - http://www.nichebot.com/ranking/
DD

Thanks for that link!

I've been screwing around with TGP's for the last year, but seeing these results is making me think there might be something to this seo stuff after all

[SexVideoContent]

Sure the pages are www.nudeteenblog.com and www.tightest.net and the keyword that started showing up in google was 'ivana fuckalot'. I wasn't even trying for that keyword, really there's not much on tightest.net at all yet, I was planning on doing something else with it and put this page up temporarily, but for some reason it started showing up in google.

Today nudeteenblog.com is still in google's top 10 for that keyword, tightest.net has fallen back to the second page of results, but for a while those pages had the #5 and #7 results for that term.

[Rocco]

>how important is unique IP / nameserver to SE ranking?

if the google algo would consist of 100 things these would be points 96 and 97 if you have a legit site. if you are a spammer then it is much more important because when they will go "manually" after you, you will be fucked.

if you are trying to push your sites with crosslinking "a little bit", what I guess you are planning to do, then yes, it is important. i will not go into details why, though. and let me tell you that you are at risk of going belly up, so better go with DD's advice.

[baddog]

I have a question for Dave, or anyone else that does not believe Google when they say "The <filter> parameter causes Google to filter out some of the results for a given search. This is done to enhance the user experience on Google.com, but for your application, you may prefer to turn filtering off in order to get the full set of search results. "

Do you know how to turn off the default filter? If you do, how often do you include the command? How many surfers do you think know how? How many do you think do it?

[Linkster]

BadDog - the way to see the dupe filter is to add &filter=0 to your query - its basically the same thing as Google does when they say "click here to see the omitted results"

One precaution that needs to be said here though is that Google knows that some people use that filter quote to their advantage and have disabled it for a few keywords (lemme know if you need to know which they are)

Im gonna have to agree with DDave here as I have done my own testing over the last few years that Google has been around - if you are making sites that have at least (this is just a number that I came up with) 20% different content you will avoid the two site dupe penalty - which BTW in the real world of Google only applies to sites on the same "domain name" - not the same IP.
This could change in the future as Google has applied and been approved to be their own registrar, which gives them access to the entire whois db on an auto-query level, so I would expect that in the future they may expand that dupe filter -
but I can tell you based on hard evidence (at least the hardest I can portray using my measely thousand domains) that their is no filter based on IP - although there does seem to be a small dampening effect for cross-linking based on the same IP.
I have always disagreed with some of the so-called SEM/SEOs out there in their thinking as I look at sites based on somewhere around 120 factors - which always takes me to some other things that are causing penalties other than what people posting on WM World and other boards seem to think they got penalized for.

<rant on>
I also try to dispense advice (as DDave does) based on what Ive really seen as opposed to what "could happen" as there are a lot of fear-mongerers running around out here that seem to prey on WMs lack of background in the SE world - and I think Dave, Bill and I (if I remember correctly) not only do extremely well in the SEs (Google especially) and we dont ever charge a cent for the advice we give.
To me its a total rip-off for anyone to charge for SEO/SEM - whether they know their stuff or not - who's to know if they really do??? And more importantly - who in their right mind really thinks that these SEOs really have an insight into how an algo is put together or how it's calculated - I can guarantee that not a one of the SEO's out there charging $300 or whatever an hour has any more "knowledge" than the guys here that do it for free
<rant off>

[SexVideoContent]

Lots of good posts in this thread, thanks

Two days ago I decided to turn tightest.net into a blog, mainly so I could update it easily; however I noticed yesterday that it is no longer getting any hits from google. When I type in 'tightest.net' into google, it doesn't even bring up any results anymore; does this mean it's been blacklisted from google? Or could it be that the keywords just no longer show up in the search results so the domain isn't showing up either?

I did briefly have a bunch of doorway pages on this domain, but removed them before I started getting the hits from google that I had posted about earlier; in fact I only got hits for 'ivana fuckalot', a term used on the front page of the site but not on any of the doorway pages. I wonder if the domain is being blacklisted for having the doorway pages, but it took google a while to remove it (perhaps they remove pages manually?) and in the meantime it kept picking up the keywords from the first page normally?

[Bill]

You're not blacklisted, don't worry about that.

To be more accurate, your chances of being blacklisted are infinitesimally small.

What you are describing is totally normal. Just go back to building content on the site, build in links to and from other sites, and wait. You'll come back into the listings in a bit. It might take a few weeks to a few months.

You can try to get new pages into the listings with the "freshbot", but those types of listings typically only last a few days.

You need patience to catch most types of search engine traffic.