2257 regs published in full

[WolfTexas]

Originally Posted by Wenchy

I've been screaming for years that giving away free hardcore porn was tantamount to shooting ourselves in the foot. Furthermore, I'm also an advocate of text over banners whenever, wherever, and as often as possible. I have absolutely no doubt that softcore content providers will be coming out of the woodwork in the very near future which will provide us with "safe" and "compliant" filler for our pages. Sponsors will also begin creating "2257 compliant" ad tools, merely to save themselves the agony of mountains of paperwork.

If we're smart we can use this whole stinking mess to our advantage. "Hey, Joe Surfer... you want hardcore? Your freeloading days are over, pallie... too bad, so sad. Cough up the green or do without!" We could all see a HUGE jump in revenues if we're smart enough to seize the opportunity in front of us.

Trust me... anybody who knows me will tell you I'm certainly no Pollyanna and I realize there are still questions about what is deemed "obscene" and whether or not "censored" pictures fall into that category, but things are what they are and I for one am open to exploring alternatives that will keep me in business for a long time to come. If we are forced to change, surfers will be forced to change with us and that could be a good thing IMHO.

(Pardon the long post... I'm working a ton and a half of overtime lately and I don't have the luxury of posting my thoughts one at a time! )

Very good point. Agreed! This is going to shake up the industry and possibly put some legitimacy on some of the business. It will kill our site, because we jumped in at the wrong time and have no capital built up to support the process, but for those of our friends that have been in business a while with the resources to follow through, it will be an astounding benefit.

What saddens me is that there won't be the outlet for people with sexual desires to exhibit. Business is fine, but self expression is now hindered. Oh well. Such is life in modern Christian dominated America.

I guess our class system is going to continue to be built along religious lines, and politics is the avenue. So much for separation of church and State.

Those that continue in the industry, be warned. Our religiously based extreme rightwing government is fast approaching a time when webmasters, models and affiliated parties will all be prosecuted as sex offenders. Then all the overly inclusive generalities mentioned here and everywhere else about child molesters and pedophiles will incorporate not just those with definitive problems in making good judgements (true molesters and pedophiles), but also legitimate (albeit illegitimate in the eyes of Jonny Gov) business people who will have to register as sex offenders and suffer the lifelong abuse of not being able to provide for themselves or families because our beloved government has been put in place to legislate morality at the expense of personal safety and decency.

As a further explanation, please remember, that not all sex offenders are currently people that abduct or molest children, but sometimes people that are in a consentual relationship (even some without proven sexual activity) where someone got mad and decided to prosecute for rape or a similar, perhaps even legitimate, story, that get lumped in and ostricized as being dangers to society.

We, too, as industry "personnel" could be lumped into this group if our current administration and legislative bodies continue down this road. The ACLU, et al, haven't aided in stemming this tide as much as was once the case. And this is due in large part to the DOJ or similar bodies "shoring up" policies that will benefit their theocratic agendas in the name of either getting re-elected or proving their "worth" to task of their job.

Protestant America is slowly reverting to the age of the Crusades, and we're looking down the barrel of the gun. Be careful how you proceed!

For those of you with nothing to lose, and everything to gain, I applaud your decision to perservere, but if the revisions to 2257 don't get derailed, we won't be part of the new success. We're too small, and too remote to avoid the disaster of being prosecuted for the many things that this Pandora's box is bound to impose on the industry. We won't risk it.

In this case, I am not bitter, but it is growing more and more apparent, that in the "modern America" the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Wolf.

PS...in most states, we've all done something that can be construed as a sex offense. Have you ever leared at anyone without their knowledge (underage or not) and thought illicit or lacivious thoughts? That's a sex offense in at least half the states of our country. Beware the thought police!

[LindaMight]

Originally Posted by WolfTexas

Very good point. Agreed! This is going to shake up the industry and possibly put some legitimacy on some of the business. It will kill our site, because we jumped in at the wrong time and have no capital built up to support the process, but for those of our friends that have been in business a while with the resources to follow through, it will be an astounding benefit.

What saddens me is that there won't be the outlet for people with sexual desires to exhibit. Business is fine, but self expression is now hindered. Oh well. Such is life in modern Christian dominated America.

I guess our class system is going to continue to be built along religious lines, and politics is the avenue. So much for separation of church and State.

Those that continue in the industry, be warned. Our religiously based extreme rightwing government is fast approaching a time when webmasters, models and affiliated parties will all be prosecuted as sex offenders. Then all the overly inclusive generalities mentioned here and everywhere else about child molesters and pedophiles will incorporate not just those with definitive problems in making good judgements (true molesters and pedophiles), but also legitimate (albeit illegitimate in the eyes of Jonny Gov) business people who will have to register as sex offenders and suffer the lifelong abuse of not being able to provide for themselves or families because our beloved government has been put in place to legislate morality at the expense of personal safety and decency.

As a further explanation, please remember, that not all sex offenders are currently people that abduct or molest children, but sometimes people that are in a consentual relationship (even some without proven sexual activity) where someone got mad and decided to prosecute for rape or a similar, perhaps even legitimate, story, that get lumped in and ostricized as being dangers to society.

We, too, as industry "personnel" could be lumped into this group if our current administration and legislative bodies continue down this road. The ACLU, et al, haven't aided in stemming this tide as much as was once the case. And this is due in large part to the DOJ or similar bodies "shoring up" policies that will benefit their theocratic agendas in the name of either getting re-elected or proving their "worth" to task of their job.

Protestant America is slowly reverting to the age of the Crusades, and we're looking down the barrel of the gun. Be careful how you proceed!

For those of you with nothing to lose, and everything to gain, I applaud your decision to perservere, but if the revisions to 2257 don't get derailed, we won't be part of the new success. We're too small, and too remote to avoid the disaster of being prosecuted for the many things that this Pandora's box is bound to impose on the industry. We won't risk it.

In this case, I am not bitter, but it is growing more and more apparent, that in the "modern America" the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Wolf.

PS...in most states, we've all done something that can be construed as a sex offense. Have you ever leared at anyone without their knowledge (underage or not) and thought illicit or lacivious thoughts? That's a sex offense in at least half the states of our country. Beware the thought police!

I don't like this grim forecast. In fact, it is the only message that I have read on five different message boards and pages and pages of messages that has scared me. If all of the above holds true, we should all close down NOW and never look back.

Linda

[LindaMight]

On a side note, aside from being scared of Wolf's prediction....

We have done it, we have rented office space, signed the lease today, effective June 1st, and am going to actually set up an office that will house not only one of our computers, but it will also house our documents that pertain to the identity of George and myself linked to all of the images and videos on my website. My other two friends that show up in just a few updates....well I am going to just ditch the pictures and the video. It didn't add a whole lot to the site. And even though I have their documentation, I figure the less I have to deal with the better. George and I are linking our own pictures to every single URL on our website and every mpeg and banner. And they will all be cross-referenced with our real names, stage names, and our company name. PLUS we have an appointment with our corporate attorney who took care of our incorporation six years ago to go over any details that we've missed.

My big question is this...... we do not show our faces in hardly any images or videos....nor did we show faces of the two friends of our. So, if we do not show faces, what good is the real ID anyway? How would anyone know it is me, or George, or either of our friends. ?? And would that not be the case with each and every porn picture where the face is obscure?

Linda

[Barron]

Originally Posted by LindaMight

On a side note, aside from being scared of Wolf's prediction....

My big question is this...... we do not show our faces in hardly any images or videos....nor did we show faces of the two friends of our. So, if we do not show faces, what good is the real ID anyway? How would anyone know it is me, or George, or either of our friends. ?? And would that not be the case with each and every porn picture where the face is obscure?

Linda

Put yourself in the position of the inspector. You are looking at a picture of a guy and girl that is having sexual intercourse. The woman has breasts and pubic hair. Ok, the girl has reached puberty. The guy has pubic hair. Ok, he has reached puberty. But, since I cant see the faces, are the models 16 or 26?

Without a clear indication that the models are over 18, or at least an indication that a reasonable person could tell by looking at the faces, I would be looking for the 2257 info, wouldnt you?


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[HornyHeather]

Originally Posted by Barron

Put yourself in the position of the inspector. You are looking at a picture of a guy and girl that is having sexual intercourse. The woman has breasts and pubic hair. Ok, the girl has reached puberty. The guy has pubic hair. Ok, he has reached puberty. But, since I cant see the faces, are the models 16 or 26?

Without a clear indication that the models are over 18, or at least an indication that a reasonable person could tell by looking at the faces, I would be looking for the 2257 info, wouldnt you?


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Barron..Most of my pictures in my website are me on my knees and all you can see are legs and cocks, I do have compliances for these guys and they are all 40+ in age...Are they going to call these guys and line them up nude next to the photos and see who is who?

[Barron]

Originally Posted by HornyHeather

Barron..Most of my pictures in my website are me on my knees and all you can see are legs and cocks, I do have compliances for these guys and they are all 40+ in age...Are they going to call these guys and line them up nude next to the photos and see who is who?

No no, you missed my point. I'm only saying that, considering the resources and manpower available, they are only going to go after the most obvious offenses. I'm thinking it is more likely that you will be inspected if the they cant tell what the age of the model is from the get go.

However, if you get a rendigade inspector, and thats a big if, he just might become an asshole and make you jump through hoops to prove exactly who is in the photo! I'm thinking you dont want that either


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[LindaMight]

Originally Posted by Barron

Put yourself in the position of the inspector. You are looking at a picture of a guy and girl that is having sexual intercourse. The woman has breasts and pubic hair. Ok, the girl has reached puberty. The guy has pubic hair. Ok, he has reached puberty. But, since I cant see the faces, are the models 16 or 26?

Without a clear indication that the models are over 18, or at least an indication that a reasonable person could tell by looking at the faces, I would be looking for the 2257 info, wouldnt you?


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Well for once I guess I can say "thank heavens I look middle aged". Who would have thunk?

Linda

[HornyHeather]

Originally Posted by LindaMight

I don't like this grim forecast. In fact, it is the only message that I have read on five different message boards and pages and pages of messages that has scared me. If all of the above holds true, we should all close down NOW and never look back.

Linda

I second that..Its scary, its risky and I do believe this is to get us all off the net...They will win, we will go quietly into the night and be good little citizens.....

Strike 1 - Porn...what is next?

And screw there damned christianity, The way I look at it, My religion accepts nudity, we were born nude..Nude is beautiful, we just cover it up because they say we have to.

Uncle Sam - NOT

[WolfTexas]

Originally Posted by HornyHeather

And screw there damned christianity, The way I look at it, My religion accepts nudity, we were born nude..Nude is beautiful, we just cover it up because they say we have to.

Uncle Sam - NOT

The sad thing is that I thought I was Christian. Now, I find that the only way to be Christian is to be forcibly made to follow God's will.

The last I remember in my classes at the seminary, is that God is willing to forgive us of our sins. There was a little jezebel in the bible that was allowed into heaven when she took the Lord as her Saviour and repented her sins.

Maybe I have a different version of the Bible from the Christian Coalition. I really need to quit buying my books from Wal-Mart and discount stores. Apparently these publications have ghost writers that prepare extra text.

Ultimately, I am saying, "Heather...you go girl!"

W

[WolfTexas]

Originally Posted by LindaMight

I don't like this grim forecast. In fact, it is the only message that I have read on five different message boards and pages and pages of messages that has scared me. If all of the above holds true, we should all close down NOW and never look back.

Linda

This is a grim forecast, Linda. But take it for what it's worth. There are some reasons to believe that our government will be as inept as they have always been, and life will proceed. June 24th will be the day I look to find out where we go from here.

We're preparing, and hoping for the best. But it's important that everyone understands that the risks of our rightwing brethren going to extremes is very real. If you don't vote, you might want to. If you vote without thought, you might want to change that.

No one saw Hitler in such a light until the smoke cleared Auschwitz. Let's not make the same mistake. We are in more control than we realize, but it's not going to happen without the lawyers, and our own rise to response.

Take heed. Action is privilege, no action is your circumstance. Ain't America grand!? Porn activists. Doesn't happen anywhere else.

Wolf. (stopping the W. response for fear of being lumped into a partisan position)

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by WolfTexas

This is a grim forecast, Linda. But take it for what it's worth. There are some reasons to believe that our government will be as inept as they have always been, and life will proceed. June 24th will be the day I look to find out where we go from here.

We're preparing, and hoping for the best. But it's important that everyone understands that the risks of our rightwing brethren going to extremes is very real. If you don't vote, you might want to. If you vote without thought, you might want to change that.

No one saw Hitler in such a light until the smoke cleared Auschwitz. Let's not make the same mistake. We are in more control than we realize, but it's not going to happen without the lawyers, and our own rise to response.

Take heed. Action is privilege, no action is your circumstance. Ain't America grand!? Porn activists. Doesn't happen anywhere else.

Wolf. (stopping the W. response for fear of being lumped into a partisan position)

hmm... two words just jumped into my head when I read this: papers please. |shocking|

Why do I now have a bad feeling about starting my up and coming website?

[WolfTexas]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

hmm... two words just jumped into my head when I read this: papers please. |shocking|

Why do I now have a bad feeling about starting my up and coming website?

Look, I know I've come across as a fatalist, and perhaps, on this subject I have that perspective, but honestly, if you're wise bout how you start, and go the right direction, there's no reason to believe that this won't work out for you, me and anyone else that is or wants to be a porn "producer."

I'm hoping to open eyes. The implications of our gov't in these matters is relevant to more than just the life we lead as adult webmasters and porn models.

There are so many things going on in and with our gov't that the loss of freedom looks like a small thing to deal with, as opposed to some of the other things.

I love this business, and I like most of you folks. Those I don't like, I haven't met or talked with.

Go forward with your site. There's no harm in it, and you have at least 28 days of freedom here. You are lucky to start it, the real pain in the arse is for anyone that has been in bidnezz since '95. Try to cross reference that long list of 10's or 100's of thousands of images and media.

Wow!

Good luck, don't be discouraged, but DO be careful!.

Wolf

[Useless]

Originally Posted by WolfTexas

No one saw Hitler in such a light until the smoke cleared Auschwitz. Let's not make the same mistake. We are in more control than we realize, but it's not going to happen without the lawyers, and our own rise to response.

Actually most of the world realized what Hitler was up to far before the war started. (We Americans failed to acknowledge the obvious truth.) I believe Churchill led the way in warning Europe about what was happening and about to happen. Everyone knew about the Jewish ghettos and that Jews were disappearing in the night a long time prior to the first howitzer blast. People invoke Hitler in a lot of really bad comparisons. You can't fairly compare the murder of six million Jews and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of soldiers to the demand for proper documentation on fuck pics.