2257 regs published in full - Page 12

Useless · 2005-05-27, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RamCharger

On a side note, what really amazes me is that so many sites start right out with a hardcore front page with the minors prohibited wording right beneath it. How's that work? Yes, we're all fishing for people, but that seems to be a recipe for fishing for a lawsuit since you've already displayed nudity including hardcore before they could even accept the legal disclaimer on the front page.

It's a good point in it's intent, but unless the rest of your pages are behind .htaccess or some other blocking device, there's no telling which page a surfer is going to land on. Google is going to send them to which every page they deem worthy in conisdertion of the terms searched. The DOJ certainly doesn't seem to care. If they did, they'd be demanding better warnings, not total control of all content on every page. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big believer in warning pages too, but my stats tell me that mine aren't seen very often.

ardentgent · 2005-05-27, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

If my main business was thumbtgps, I would be looking for a new line of business starting today. It would appear that thumb tgps will require 2257 documents for every thumb they show.

Alex

Whata about link lists with free sites. How is that different from tgps? Wouldn't the links lists have to have 2257 documents on every thumb they show from free sites?

Thanhs.

Useless · 2005-05-27, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ardentgent

Whata about link lists with free sites. How is that different from tgps? Wouldn't the links lists have to have 2257 documents on every thumb they show from free sites?

Thanhs.

Link lists and text TGPs don't show thumbs or store anything except the link and it's description. They'd only have to account for their own content and adverstising.

RamCharger · 2005-05-27, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

It's a good point in it's intent, but unless the rest of your pages are behind .htaccess or some other blocking device, there's no telling which page a surfer is going to land on. Google is going to send them to which every page they deem worthy in conisdertion of the terms searched. The DOJ certainly doesn't seem to care. If they did, they'd be demanding better warnings, not total control of all content on every page. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big believer in warning pages too, but my stats tell me that mine aren't seen very often.

My concern about this (and why I'm putting it here) is that everyone is expressing grave concern over this new law, but the reality is that being on the receiving end of it would require the federal government to go after you. However, there are a number of more easilly pressed lawsuits that only require a screaming parent or other person to initiate that no one here seems to have on their radar and that alot of sites seem to be easy fodder for.

juggernaut · 2005-05-27, 09:59 AM

OK well I'm kind of baffled to this whole thing and how its going to affect my site as I have all the models ID's and I'm very strict as to not allow them to show one image until they provide me with that info. Being I'm providing live streaming video does this even affect me? I think I should be ok until I start to partner or have afiliates etc, then I would need to get more of those images. I will be removing all banners from my site and only placing up text links. But I will be reading this very carfully. Now on to the address part. There are two things you can do here. 1) go to mail boxes.ETC they provide you with a real address with a suite attached. IE 123 any street, suite 123 anytown blah blah. 2) you can go to your local college pay a $50 registration fee and tell them you need a mail box. They will give you one with the college address on it. Anyway I'm not letting this ruin my Florida trip I will read when I get home as Im sure the feds wont make it to anyones house very soon.

WolfTexas · 2005-05-27, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Here's the problem. The record keeping is going to handcuff many people. It's not the threat of going to jail, but the interuption of business. Couple that with some of the other nuggets of this revision, and small business folks will have hell trying to arrange their lives to be profitable.

The biggest nugget of trouble for the amateur section is that the DOJ has taken possible danger (small instances of underage photos taken through false ID or through mistakes we can't fathom) and replaced it with an imminent danger OR the death of a business for many small timers because their personal information is now posted for the creeps and ne'er-do-wells to abduct or victimize the good people that willingly expose themselves for these folks.

That's the one that gets us. We have a family. We have a child that we treasure and do what we can to isolate her from the "treacherous or lacivious" activity that we perform in. The feds, locals or whoever could threaten our family now.

That's the panic. I'm sorry, but when you threaten my family, or endanger those close to me, I don't panic, I react. I'm rational, but I'm also logical. It's still a crossroads for many of us that like to have the work, but not the notoriety of our neighbors knowing EXACTLY what we do for that living.

Wolf.

RawAlex · 2005-05-27, 10:07 AM

Juggernaut, no no and NO! You cannot use a mailboxes etc! You have to actually be there, and unless you can climb into that little box and work, you fail. That is a PO box, no matter how you want to play with it. DON'T SCREW AROUND AND TRY TO FIND EASY WAYS OUT. Remember, 5 years in a federal butt slamming prison is your reward.

No mail boxes - no drop boxes - no "suites"... just your real principle place of business.

As for your videos, you need a model release, you need all the cross referencing, and you will need to name and track each performance (unique identifying code unless it has a hard URL unique to that video). You will need to track every thumb, still image, and anything else. EVERY IMAGE, EVERY VIDEO, EVERY CLIP... you need a cross referencing entry for each item.

The DOJ wants to be able to say "This URL who are the models". or "this video who is in it" or "this gallery, show me all the model releases for the people on this gallery" or "this model, show me all the places you have images of her".

Don't fuck around. Don't play cute games. You are EXACTLY the type of person the DOJ will love to meet.

Alex

WolfTexas · 2005-05-27, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HornyHeather

LOL I am always looking for over 40 men! Anything younger than that is just to im-mature, No Pun intended to the younger guys here...

I'm not a 40 year old, but I could play one on WebTV.

W

WolfTexas · 2005-05-27, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HornyHeather

And screw there damned christianity, The way I look at it, My religion accepts nudity, we were born nude..Nude is beautiful, we just cover it up because they say we have to.

Uncle Sam - NOT

The sad thing is that I thought I was Christian. Now, I find that the only way to be Christian is to be forcibly made to follow God's will.

The last I remember in my classes at the seminary, is that God is willing to forgive us of our sins. There was a little jezebel in the bible that was allowed into heaven when she took the Lord as her Saviour and repented her sins.

Maybe I have a different version of the Bible from the Christian Coalition. I really need to quit buying my books from Wal-Mart and discount stores. Apparently these publications have ghost writers that prepare extra text.

Ultimately, I am saying, "Heather...you go girl!"

W

WolfTexas · 2005-05-27, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LindaMight

I don't like this grim forecast. In fact, it is the only message that I have read on five different message boards and pages and pages of messages that has scared me. If all of the above holds true, we should all close down NOW and never look back.

Linda

This is a grim forecast, Linda. But take it for what it's worth. There are some reasons to believe that our government will be as inept as they have always been, and life will proceed. June 24th will be the day I look to find out where we go from here.

We're preparing, and hoping for the best. But it's important that everyone understands that the risks of our rightwing brethren going to extremes is very real. If you don't vote, you might want to. If you vote without thought, you might want to change that.

No one saw Hitler in such a light until the smoke cleared Auschwitz. Let's not make the same mistake. We are in more control than we realize, but it's not going to happen without the lawyers, and our own rise to response.

Take heed. Action is privilege, no action is your circumstance. Ain't America grand!? Porn activists. Doesn't happen anywhere else.

Wolf. (stopping the W. response for fear of being lumped into a partisan position)

RamCharger · 2005-05-27, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WolfTexas

This is a grim forecast, Linda. But take it for what it's worth. There are some reasons to believe that our government will be as inept as they have always been, and life will proceed. June 24th will be the day I look to find out where we go from here.

We're preparing, and hoping for the best. But it's important that everyone understands that the risks of our rightwing brethren going to extremes is very real. If you don't vote, you might want to. If you vote without thought, you might want to change that.

No one saw Hitler in such a light until the smoke cleared Auschwitz. Let's not make the same mistake. We are in more control than we realize, but it's not going to happen without the lawyers, and our own rise to response.

Take heed. Action is privilege, no action is your circumstance. Ain't America grand!? Porn activists. Doesn't happen anywhere else.

Wolf. (stopping the W. response for fear of being lumped into a partisan position)

hmm... two words just jumped into my head when I read this: papers please. |shocking|

Why do I now have a bad feeling about starting my up and coming website?

WolfTexas · 2005-05-27, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RamCharger

hmm... two words just jumped into my head when I read this: papers please. |shocking|

Why do I now have a bad feeling about starting my up and coming website?

Look, I know I've come across as a fatalist, and perhaps, on this subject I have that perspective, but honestly, if you're wise bout how you start, and go the right direction, there's no reason to believe that this won't work out for you, me and anyone else that is or wants to be a porn "producer."

I'm hoping to open eyes. The implications of our gov't in these matters is relevant to more than just the life we lead as adult webmasters and porn models.

There are so many things going on in and with our gov't that the loss of freedom looks like a small thing to deal with, as opposed to some of the other things.

I love this business, and I like most of you folks. Those I don't like, I haven't met or talked with.

Go forward with your site. There's no harm in it, and you have at least 28 days of freedom here. You are lucky to start it, the real pain in the arse is for anyone that has been in bidnezz since '95. Try to cross reference that long list of 10's or 100's of thousands of images and media.

Wow!

Good luck, don't be discouraged, but DO be careful!.

Wolf

Useless · 2005-05-27, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfTexas

No one saw Hitler in such a light until the smoke cleared Auschwitz. Let's not make the same mistake. We are in more control than we realize, but it's not going to happen without the lawyers, and our own rise to response.

Actually most of the world realized what Hitler was up to far before the war started. (We Americans failed to acknowledge the obvious truth.) I believe Churchill led the way in warning Europe about what was happening and about to happen. Everyone knew about the Jewish ghettos and that Jews were disappearing in the night a long time prior to the first howitzer blast. People invoke Hitler in a lot of really bad comparisons. You can't fairly compare the murder of six million Jews and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of soldiers to the demand for proper documentation on fuck pics.

Tommy · 2005-05-27, 01:30 PM

does anyone have any ideas about what kinfd of software they are gonna use for this

cd34 · 2005-05-27, 01:37 PM

probably the same thing that SOD and Vice use.

Excel.

SexVideoContent · 2005-05-27, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

does anyone have any ideas about what kinfd of software they are gonna use for this

Someone over on GFY came up with something for this, don't have a link though.

BTW, if you read through the 2257 regs, there was a mention of one comment suggesting the ability to use software to keep the documentation instead of only hard copies - that was my comment

It's hard to believe that out of the entire adult industry, with all the big players involved, that only one person suggested that - did anyone else write in about this during the comment period last year?

ardentgent · 2005-05-27, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Link lists and text TGPs don't show thumbs or store anything except the link and it's description. They'd only have to account for their own content and adverstising.

Ah. I was interpreting tgp and thumbtgp to be the same thing. So if my tgp has no thumbs of it's own and just links to someone else's server to display the gallery, I am OK?

RawAlex · 2005-05-27, 02:03 PM

ardentgent - you are responsible for what is published on your domain, and that will LIKELY include things like IFRAMES to other sites and images, banner, counters, and other things that are integrated into your page.

You cannot control what is on another site, you cannot edit it, therefore you are not producing it.

However, linking to illegal content (CP, whatever) is still a major no-no.

Alex

Ann Omness · 2005-05-27, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

does anyone have any ideas about what kinfd of software they are gonna use for this

I'm probably just going to write everything out longhand on paper. I have half a million images to document and cross reference. I can't even get all the images themselves into a thumbs database because my computer starts bombing out when the database file size reaches two gigs.

If I work 24 hours/day and document and cross reference 12 images/second, I can get the job done by June 23rd. Except that none of the content providers I've purchased from over the years has the info I need available for me yet. And I have the suspicion that I can't write fast enough to handle the 12 images/second pace. I might not even be able to stay awake for a whole month. I guess I'll be going to prison unless the stalkers get me first after I publish my address for the search engines to spider.

ardentgent · 2005-05-27, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

ardentgent - you are responsible for what is published on your domain, and that will LIKELY include things like IFRAMES to other sites and images, banner, counters, and other things that are integrated into your page.

You cannot control what is on another site, you cannot edit it, therefore you are not producing it.

However, linking to illegal content (CP, whatever) is still a major no-no.

Alex

And if I link to a gallery that does not posses the required 2257 documents, that is not my concern, correct?

SirMoby · 2005-05-27, 02:16 PM

This shows promise http://www.my2257.com/ but it's not scheduled to be released until July 1, 2005

Tommy · 2005-05-27, 02:42 PM

will Excel do this
the files have to be cross linked and include the images and movies

I do not think this is possable to do with paper
because a small 15 pic gallery requries copys of the 15 pics and thumbnails
plus the model relaese and the 2 forms of id

Tommy · 2005-05-27, 02:43 PM

trying to find info in a 12 page thread is ridiculous

docholly · 2005-05-27, 03:03 PM

I'm using Excel and each tab is a different model, click on the tab and a list of sites with copies of the content. i mgiht have to split it by pages..

abe · 2005-05-27, 03:22 PM

I'm not sure if my idea about their crosslinking is right.
I understand this. For instance you have a set of 100 pics completely documented and filed.
Out of that set you make 2 gals of lets say 15 pîcs.
Each gal has a url. I think that now for each pic you have used in the gals, you have to update the original file of the set giving for each pic the url where you have used it.
If you have used eg pic245 on both galleries, then you will find 2 url's for that pic in the original set documentation.
And in the documentation of the gallery you will find a reference to the original set/picture.

If it is something like this, then I think that it is not to difficult to make something in MS Access to keep track of all this. Might be easier then Excel.

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juggernaut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Jersey! If I was rich and powerful I would dress as my avatar does. Posts: 1,448	OK well I'm kind of baffled to this whole thing and how its going to affect my site as I have all the models ID's and I'm very strict as to not allow them to show one image until they provide me with that info. Being I'm providing live streaming video does this even affect me? I think I should be ok until I start to partner or have afiliates etc, then I would need to get more of those images. I will be removing all banners from my site and only placing up text links. But I will be reading this very carfully. Now on to the address part. There are two things you can do here. 1) go to mail boxes.ETC they provide you with a real address with a suite attached. IE 123 any street, suite 123 anytown blah blah. 2) you can go to your local college pay a $50 registration fee and tell them you need a mail box. They will give you one with the college address on it. Anyway I'm not letting this ruin my Florida trip I will read when I get home as Im sure the feds wont make it to anyones house very soon.

2005-05-27, 10:07 AM	#282
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Juggernaut, no no and NO! You cannot use a mailboxes etc! You have to actually be there, and unless you can climb into that little box and work, you fail. That is a PO box, no matter how you want to play with it. DON'T SCREW AROUND AND TRY TO FIND EASY WAYS OUT. Remember, 5 years in a federal butt slamming prison is your reward. No mail boxes - no drop boxes - no "suites"... just your real principle place of business. As for your videos, you need a model release, you need all the cross referencing, and you will need to name and track each performance (unique identifying code unless it has a hard URL unique to that video). You will need to track every thumb, still image, and anything else. EVERY IMAGE, EVERY VIDEO, EVERY CLIP... you need a cross referencing entry for each item. The DOJ wants to be able to say "This URL who are the models". or "this video who is in it" or "this gallery, show me all the model releases for the people on this gallery" or "this model, show me all the places you have images of her". Don't fuck around. Don't play cute games. You are EXACTLY the type of person the DOJ will love to meet. Alex

2005-05-27, 02:03 PM	#293
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	ardentgent - you are responsible for what is published on your domain, and that will LIKELY include things like IFRAMES to other sites and images, banner, counters, and other things that are integrated into your page. You cannot control what is on another site, you cannot edit it, therefore you are not producing it. However, linking to illegal content (CP, whatever) is still a major no-no. Alex

2005-05-27, 02:16 PM	#296
SirMoby Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,706	This shows promise http://www.my2257.com/ but it's not scheduled to be released until July 1, 2005

2005-05-27, 03:22 PM	#300
abe Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 99	I'm not sure if my idea about their crosslinking is right. I understand this. For instance you have a set of 100 pics completely documented and filed. Out of that set you make 2 gals of lets say 15 pîcs. Each gal has a url. I think that now for each pic you have used in the gals, you have to update the original file of the set giving for each pic the url where you have used it. If you have used eg pic245 on both galleries, then you will find 2 url's for that pic in the original set documentation. And in the documentation of the gallery you will find a reference to the original set/picture. If it is something like this, then I think that it is not to difficult to make something in MS Access to keep track of all this. Might be easier then Excel.