2257 or .xxx which will it be?

RawAlex · 2005-06-04, 10:51 AM

Jay, it isn't a choice. There is a a decent chance that we get both... so why choose?

2257 is a paperwork nightmare of a law, never passed by the house, senate, or signed by the president. Little bureaucrats re-writing laws without the real power to do so. It's a laugh a minute.

.xxx is like setting up a porn slum and rounding us all up. While I wouldn't go so far as to suggest it is some sort of concentration camp, I will say that it will make it VERY easy for ISPs, browser manufactures, etc to block us out.

More importantly, it would make it possible for bandwidth providers and peering points to specifically block the end IPs for porn sites, refusing routes, blocking access, and generally making it impossible for porn to operate.

When porn gets moved into a walled off slum, it won't be hard to shut us of completely.

When that happens, and if we are forced down that road, it will be the time I leave this business.

Alex

pornrex · 2005-06-04, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Jay, it isn't a choice. There is a a decent chance that we get both... so why choose?

2257 is a paperwork nightmare of a law, never passed by the house, senate, or signed by the president. Little bureaucrats re-writing laws without the real power to do so. It's a laugh a minute.

.xxx is like setting up a porn slum and rounding us all up. While I wouldn't go so far as to suggest it is some sort of concentration camp, I will say that it will make it VERY easy for ISPs, browser manufactures, etc to block us out.

More importantly, it would make it possible for bandwidth providers and peering points to specifically block the end IPs for porn sites, refusing routes, blocking access, and generally making it impossible for porn to operate.

When porn gets moved into a walled off slum, it won't be hard to shut us of completely.

When that happens, and if we are forced down that road, it will be the time I leave this business.

Alex

The Adult Industry is a multi-billion dollar industry that is going nowhere, puh-lease.

All this hype about 2257 is well over-rated. Every business has to have a set of standards that they must adhere to in order to be considered reputable and 'clean'.

After reading so many threads/comments/opinions and going over so much of the amendments and inclusions of 2257, I find that it really is no biggie, provided that the models ID's are legitimate and that you have the doc's to back up any challenges should it come to that.

As for the dot XXX fiasco - honestly, a buddy of mine did tell me about this 6 months ago and I thought nothing of it then. However, forcing all porn domains to go .XXX is unconstitutional, no matter where you are from, and I don't give a fuck if your from the US or from Timbukfive.

The last time they 'policed' something this extreme, it became a witch hunt and 6 million people (a disputable figure by the way) got gassed in several chambers in parts of northern europe in WWII. Did we learn from the mistake? I guess not! It seems those same lunatic principles or ideals are ever so slowly creeping into the US Lawmakers mindset everyday which is VERY nervy at best.

As for those of you that don't give a shit about American law? You people are dumber than a steaming pile of shit roasting on a hot sunny day. How would you feel if America, under its present regime (they have a few more years left to go to term, right?) began to lobby its trading partners and either coax them into adhering to 2257 or force them to adhere through sanctions or embargos? I am very certain that governments around the world will be paying close attention to the US and how they police 2257 regulations on American soil. Once data starts to filter in and results provided around the globe you can bet a nickel to my dollar that other countries won't be too far behind. Look at the Olympics with respect to steroid and performance 'enhancers' and look at Cuba, which after I last checked, STILL has an embargo on their ass.

To answer your original question Jay, I would rather deal with 2257 any fucking day of the week! Having the proper documentation in place is like gold. Other linklists will only want to do business with those guys and gals that put up and not with those that can't.

The dot XXX route sounds like it could get REALLY ugly in no time at all and if Raw Alex is right about the slums then they may as well just turn on those ovens again.

Mr. Blue · 2005-06-04, 06:55 PM

One doesn't not mean the other won't be enforced. How about this as an outcome: they make you get xxx domains and still 2257 you...so basically you're the government's bitch the second you buy into this .xxx thing.

No thanks...2257 is basically bookkeeping...I can live with that...this is a hiccup in the industry and everyone is overreacting. Most likely the law won't stand as is, but even if it does it's just a matter of bookkeeping and some annoyances.

Do your bookkeeping, drink some beers, have some sex...relax.

Mr. Blue · 2005-06-04, 06:55 PM

Oh, and vote for Hillary

2msacras · 2005-06-04, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Oh, and vote for Hillary

No way, vote for Barack Obama.

bestdutchrates · 2005-06-07, 11:47 AM

As for those of you that don't give a shit about American law? You people are dumber than a steaming pile of shit roasting on a hot sunny day. How would you feel if America, under its present regime (they have a few more years left to go to term, right?) began to lobby its trading partners and either coax them into adhering to 2257 or force them to adhere through sanctions or embargos? I am very certain that governments around the world will be paying close attention to the US and how they police 2257 regulations on American soil. Once data starts to filter in and results provided around the globe you can bet a nickel to my dollar that other countries won't be too far behind. Look at the Olympics with respect to steroid and performance 'enhancers' and look at Cuba, which after I last checked, STILL has an embargo on their ass.[quote]

you are referring to "the coalition of the willing" right?

View Poll Results: Heavy 2257 enforcement or .xxx -- which would you rather deal with?
2257	13	35.14%
.xxx	24	64.86%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

2005-06-07, 11:47 AM	#6
bestdutchrates Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10	As for those of you that don't give a shit about American law? You people are dumber than a steaming pile of shit roasting on a hot sunny day. How would you feel if America, under its present regime (they have a few more years left to go to term, right?) began to lobby its trading partners and either coax them into adhering to 2257 or force them to adhere through sanctions or embargos? I am very certain that governments around the world will be paying close attention to the US and how they police 2257 regulations on American soil. Once data starts to filter in and results provided around the globe you can bet a nickel to my dollar that other countries won't be too far behind. Look at the Olympics with respect to steroid and performance 'enhancers' and look at Cuba, which after I last checked, STILL has an embargo on their ass.[quote] you are referring to "the coalition of the willing" right? __________________ Int. billing services - www.flatbox.nl icq # 215328433

2005-06-04, 10:51 AM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Jay, it isn't a choice. There is a a decent chance that we get both... so why choose? 2257 is a paperwork nightmare of a law, never passed by the house, senate, or signed by the president. Little bureaucrats re-writing laws without the real power to do so. It's a laugh a minute. .xxx is like setting up a porn slum and rounding us all up. While I wouldn't go so far as to suggest it is some sort of concentration camp, I will say that it will make it VERY easy for ISPs, browser manufactures, etc to block us out. More importantly, it would make it possible for bandwidth providers and peering points to specifically block the end IPs for porn sites, refusing routes, blocking access, and generally making it impossible for porn to operate. When porn gets moved into a walled off slum, it won't be hard to shut us of completely. When that happens, and if we are forced down that road, it will be the time I leave this business. Alex

2005-06-04, 06:55 PM	#3
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	One doesn't not mean the other won't be enforced. How about this as an outcome: they make you get xxx domains and still 2257 you...so basically you're the government's bitch the second you buy into this .xxx thing. No thanks...2257 is basically bookkeeping...I can live with that...this is a hiccup in the industry and everyone is overreacting. Most likely the law won't stand as is, but even if it does it's just a matter of bookkeeping and some annoyances. Do your bookkeeping, drink some beers, have some sex...relax.