Submitters: Your Opinions Please....

MadMax · 2005-06-04, 01:44 PM

After much heming and hawing I'll be starting design on a new link list shortly. Fetish Philes is ready for a sister site, and I'm going to try and get things launched by the 1 year anniversary of Fetish Philes. I'll be cloning the Fetish Philes database and keeping the best listings on the new LL recip free as a bonus for my loyal submitters.

I'm going to do things a bit differently with this site, and I'd like to get the opinions of as many of my valued submitters as possible before I go headlong into development. I'm thinking about doing a few different things with categories and recips due to the fact that so many people (not you guys, thankfully

) just can't seem to put the right recip on their sites, even though the sites may be perfectly listable.

The new site will have even more categories than Fetish Philes (Imagine!), so I'm considering departing from the standard path with my recips. These are the things I'm considering, so I'd love to get a "yay" or "nay" on each one with some reasoning so I know where you're coming from.

1) One general recip and I pick the category based on content and sponsor. You know I'll list it in the right place, and this avoids category recips all together. I hesitate when considering this option because I know people generally group their general recip LLs together, which may mean that my new LL's recip will never be on the same pages as the big guys. I have SEO concerns on this one as well.

2) Pseudo-niche recips. For example, one recip to put on all ethnic sites - ebony, indian, latina, asian etc., another recip for BDSM sites - femdom, bondage, etc., one more for fetish sites - pantyhose, latex, feet, and so on. In this case I would list which cats are covered by each recip, but I have concerns about this turning into a total debacle of people getting confused.

3) Regular Ol' Category Recips

Looking forward to your opinions.

docholly · 2005-06-04, 01:50 PM

1 vote for option number 1.. general recept and you make sure we are in the right catagory.

most content covers so many different niches.. blonde teen in pantyhose posing in high heels on the back of a harley in the desert.

and suppose your teen catagory is just filled to the brim but your voyeur/outside catagory is sadly lacking. you can switch the catgory easily without having the recepts say.. teen.. lmao..

lots of words for a vote on option 1..

Jel · 2005-06-04, 03:28 PM

Hmm, I'd go for category recips. Wrong recip chosen & submitted to? Just list it as you would have if you went for option #1. You get a recip to 2 places, the site gets it's traffic, no harm, no foul. I used to reject if the category/recip was wrong, now (as long as it isn't ridiculous - trannys subbed to lesbians eg) I list in the correct category, send the accept email, and if the submitter notices and change the recip, cool, if not, cool anyway.

Buncha · 2005-06-04, 03:36 PM

Another vote for Option #1.

Personally, I try to group recips by how much traffic they send. But I have heard that some people throw all the "general" recips together. While that might sound undesirable, it could be a good thing. If I put together a "general" recip table, here's the other 8 sites you'd probably be grouped with: Tommys, Richards-Realm, Wetplace, Porn Directory, Sleeks, Blue Wave, We Love Free Porn and Find Pics. That's pretty decent traffic.

I wouldn't mind if you put the site into whatever category you choose. I think it would be a good way for you to build up categories that need more sites.

Option #2 wouldn't be too bad. And I don't think it would be confusing at all. I already have my recip tables set up for this. I have a recip table for Anal, one for Groupsex/Gangbangs, one for Mature/MILF, etc.

Option #3 is where the problems start. If I'm making a Groupsex/Gangbang site, I don't want to dig through different recips for Gangbang, Reverse Gangbang, Groupsex, Orgies, MMF, FFM, Interracial Threesomes, Double Penetration, Airtight, Anal Train, Wife-Swapping Fourways, Cheerleader and the Football Team, etc. This kind of insanity has got to stop.

As I've said before, I don't mind jumping through hoops for the sites that send good traffic, and Fetish Philes sends good traffic.

But I really like Option #1.

msanchez · 2005-06-04, 04:54 PM

I like the idea of option #1, always Im getting confused about which category to submit too, as said above about alot of content covers multiple categories

I dont group my recips by general vs. niche either.

Ill send sites no matter what ya do so good luck!

JohnnyR · 2005-06-04, 07:45 PM

I have to admit: I don't really care. I'm doing 3) for the other guys (including Fetish Philes) and I would do it for one more without much trouble. As long as your's isn't the only one with category recips (which obviously isn't) seems perfectly acceptable to me that you had the same demands everyone else had. Also, I don't group general recips together, although I see why people would do that. In fact I gave them weights based on general accepted "size". Once I get enough freesites submited, I shall start and give them weights function of the traffic they send me, I like to think of myself as a fair guy from that point of view, and I usually don't pick the easy way out. I love tweaking my database and I don't consider it a waist of time.

So, as long as your traffic is worth adding the LL to my database (which I'm sure it will) and as long as you don't have abnormal demands (which you don't seem to have) I'm willing to put in the same effort I'm putting into the other sites as well.

I have to say: I LOVE cfnmparty's atitude towards this. I think it's the most common-sense (business wise) attitude a LL owner can adopt. But then again, who am I to give advice...

RobUK · 2005-06-04, 09:11 PM

Just a newbie's thought - why not require a general recip for submissions, such that you can confirm the recip is in place when you review, and then email them a category specific recip in the acceptance mail?

If they ignore it you still get the general recip, if they're on the ball enough to replace the general with the specific you get a link back to the actual category. Maybe you could offer some kind of incentive for them to update the recip - or a penalty if they don't?

Rob.

ponygirl · 2005-06-04, 09:19 PM

I agree with most here, #1 is good. I don't group generals together either, I go by traffic -or just likability

- & try to mix them up a bit. If you could end up in multiple categories due to this, then so much the better. Sometimes it is a pain to find the right cat, esp if the LL doesn't have one that exactly fits.

my 2cents

Ponygirl

Toby · 2005-06-04, 10:40 PM

I think #1 is a great idea, as long as there is a comment area on the submit form so if there's a reason for wanting to be listed in one of a number of applicable categories I can request one and 'splain why. (i.e sponsor focus is hairy palm fetish)

josho · 2005-06-05, 05:32 AM

I don't submit to your linklist but I have in the past and I have admired its vast number of categories. Anyways, I suppose i'll throw in my two beans..

I agree with what cfnmparty said, except i'd send them a notice stating that their site was accepted but relocated to another category incase they monitor their listings.

As long as the site is some what relevant [note the ridiculous example that cfnmparty mentioned above.] it'll surely help your search engine rankings. It also allows you to have an X -> Y -> Z type trade which some people say could be better than the normal reciprocal relation of X < - > Y. Either way it'll at least create some randomness in the linking patterns.

PS: If you're looking for trades on your new linklist send me an ICQ. [22 164 132] I'm always looking for some trades.

Have fun with your new project,
Josh

Mateusz · 2005-06-05, 08:24 AM

One vote for option #3.. category recips seem to be pain in the ass but I love them as they contain category matching keywords which I belive is good for both submiter and LL owner

ynuahayt · 2005-06-05, 09:12 AM

I don't really care either, Idon't group my general recips together, I group my recips by traffic level - and since Fetish philes sends nice traffic then I would also add your new site along some other goodies

madleinx · 2005-06-05, 09:37 AM

It wouldn't matter to me - all three options are fine and I group more by traffic and type of site than type of recip. I like cfnm's suggestion too, though it might make a lot more work for you once people figured out they would get listed with an incorrect recip.

I love Fetish Philes, too, btw - it's a great list!

msanchez · 2005-06-05, 09:59 PM

I was thinking about this a little more today as i was doing my submits, and I like best the sites that have the category links and a first and second category option so that redhead amateur milf could go in milf and redhead or redhead and amateur or amateur milf...

Seems like when there is that second category option I use it as sort of a way to clarify my first category choice.

So where with only one category I might choose milf, but your thinking more redhead... possible everyone could win.

Well just another thought on this

Goodluck

MadMax · 2005-06-06, 07:04 PM

Thanks for all the input and kind words so far guys. A lot of the posts here so far have echoed some of my thought processes when considering where to go with this. To address a few points made here:

cfnmparty:

I already do this when the recip is close but not an exact match. This is a compromise I make peace with since I've got 110 categories

It's amazing how many people submit "babe" sites with the "adult babies" recip when it's clearly marked "Adult Baby/Diaper Fetish" on the recip page.

RobUK: I don't know of a script that includes that kind of functionality, and trying to do it by hand would be a debacle.

msanchz: When I get really high quality sites submitted to me and they can go in more than one cat (especially when one of them is an undersubmitted cat) I give out bonus listings in additional categories

Thanks again for the input so far, and I look forward to seeing what else falls out of the tree

2005-06-04, 04:54 PM	#5
msanchez It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Thumb Posts: 484	I like the idea of option #1, always Im getting confused about which category to submit too, as said above about alot of content covers multiple categories I dont group my recips by general vs. niche either. Ill send sites no matter what ya do so good luck! __________________ I buy text links, clicked traffic, blog posts, and more! Hit me with a pm.

2005-06-04, 07:45 PM	#6
JohnnyR I can now put whatever I want in this space :P Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Boobville... I like it way better here Posts: 557	I have to admit: I don't really care. I'm doing 3) for the other guys (including Fetish Philes) and I would do it for one more without much trouble. As long as your's isn't the only one with category recips (which obviously isn't) seems perfectly acceptable to me that you had the same demands everyone else had. Also, I don't group general recips together, although I see why people would do that. In fact I gave them weights based on general accepted "size". Once I get enough freesites submited, I shall start and give them weights function of the traffic they send me, I like to think of myself as a fair guy from that point of view, and I usually don't pick the easy way out. I love tweaking my database and I don't consider it a waist of time. So, as long as your traffic is worth adding the LL to my database (which I'm sure it will) and as long as you don't have abnormal demands (which you don't seem to have) I'm willing to put in the same effort I'm putting into the other sites as well. I have to say: I LOVE cfnmparty's atitude towards this. I think it's the most common-sense (business wise) attitude a LL owner can adopt. But then again, who am I to give advice... __________________ With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine!

2005-06-04, 09:19 PM	#8
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	I agree with most here, #1 is good. I don't group generals together either, I go by traffic -or just likability - & try to mix them up a bit. If you could end up in multiple categories due to this, then so much the better. Sometimes it is a pain to find the right cat, esp if the LL doesn't have one that exactly fits. my 2cents Ponygirl __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources

2005-06-04, 10:40 PM	#9
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	I think #1 is a great idea, as long as there is a comment area on the submit form so if there's a reason for wanting to be listed in one of a number of applicable categories I can request one and 'splain why. (i.e sponsor focus is hairy palm fetish) __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2005-06-05, 05:32 AM	#10
josho A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 56	I don't submit to your linklist but I have in the past and I have admired its vast number of categories. Anyways, I suppose i'll throw in my two beans.. I agree with what cfnmparty said, except i'd send them a notice stating that their site was accepted but relocated to another category incase they monitor their listings. As long as the site is some what relevant [note the ridiculous example that cfnmparty mentioned above.] it'll surely help your search engine rankings. It also allows you to have an X -> Y -> Z type trade which some people say could be better than the normal reciprocal relation of X < - > Y. Either way it'll at least create some randomness in the linking patterns. PS: If you're looking for trades on your new linklist send me an ICQ. [22 164 132] I'm always looking for some trades. Have fun with your new project, Josh __________________ Submit your high quality freesites to my categorized list of free porn sites.

2005-06-04, 01:44 PM	#1
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	Submitters: Your Opinions Please.... After much heming and hawing I'll be starting design on a new link list shortly. Fetish Philes is ready for a sister site, and I'm going to try and get things launched by the 1 year anniversary of Fetish Philes. I'll be cloning the Fetish Philes database and keeping the best listings on the new LL recip free as a bonus for my loyal submitters. I'm going to do things a bit differently with this site, and I'd like to get the opinions of as many of my valued submitters as possible before I go headlong into development. I'm thinking about doing a few different things with categories and recips due to the fact that so many people (not you guys, thankfully ) just can't seem to put the right recip on their sites, even though the sites may be perfectly listable. The new site will have even more categories than Fetish Philes (Imagine!), so I'm considering departing from the standard path with my recips. These are the things I'm considering, so I'd love to get a "yay" or "nay" on each one with some reasoning so I know where you're coming from. 1) One general recip and I pick the category based on content and sponsor. You know I'll list it in the right place, and this avoids category recips all together. I hesitate when considering this option because I know people generally group their general recip LLs together, which may mean that my new LL's recip will never be on the same pages as the big guys. I have SEO concerns on this one as well. 2) Pseudo-niche recips. For example, one recip to put on all ethnic sites - ebony, indian, latina, asian etc., another recip for BDSM sites - femdom, bondage, etc., one more for fetish sites - pantyhose, latex, feet, and so on. In this case I would list which cats are covered by each recip, but I have concerns about this turning into a total debacle of people getting confused. 3) Regular Ol' Category Recips Looking forward to your opinions.

2005-06-04, 01:50 PM	#2
docholly Nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sin-City USA Posts: 4,973	1 vote for option number 1.. general recept and you make sure we are in the right catagory. most content covers so many different niches.. blonde teen in pantyhose posing in high heels on the back of a harley in the desert. and suppose your teen catagory is just filled to the brim but your voyeur/outside catagory is sadly lacking. you can switch the catgory easily without having the recepts say.. teen.. lmao.. lots of words for a vote on option 1.. __________________ Support Indie Porn Sites OMGoddess You know you need some Bling!!

2005-06-04, 03:28 PM	#3
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	Hmm, I'd go for category recips. Wrong recip chosen & submitted to? Just list it as you would have if you went for option #1. You get a recip to 2 places, the site gets it's traffic, no harm, no foul. I used to reject if the category/recip was wrong, now (as long as it isn't ridiculous - trannys subbed to lesbians eg) I list in the correct category, send the accept email, and if the submitter notices and change the recip, cool, if not, cool anyway.

2005-06-04, 03:36 PM	#4
Buncha Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 201	Another vote for Option #1. Personally, I try to group recips by how much traffic they send. But I have heard that some people throw all the "general" recips together. While that might sound undesirable, it could be a good thing. If I put together a "general" recip table, here's the other 8 sites you'd probably be grouped with: Tommys, Richards-Realm, Wetplace, Porn Directory, Sleeks, Blue Wave, We Love Free Porn and Find Pics. That's pretty decent traffic. I wouldn't mind if you put the site into whatever category you choose. I think it would be a good way for you to build up categories that need more sites. Option #2 wouldn't be too bad. And I don't think it would be confusing at all. I already have my recip tables set up for this. I have a recip table for Anal, one for Groupsex/Gangbangs, one for Mature/MILF, etc. Option #3 is where the problems start. If I'm making a Groupsex/Gangbang site, I don't want to dig through different recips for Gangbang, Reverse Gangbang, Groupsex, Orgies, MMF, FFM, Interracial Threesomes, Double Penetration, Airtight, Anal Train, Wife-Swapping Fourways, Cheerleader and the Football Team, etc. This kind of insanity has got to stop. As I've said before, I don't mind jumping through hoops for the sites that send good traffic, and Fetish Philes sends good traffic. But I really like Option #1.

2005-06-04, 09:11 PM	#7
RobUK I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 80	Just a newbie's thought - why not require a general recip for submissions, such that you can confirm the recip is in place when you review, and then email them a category specific recip in the acceptance mail? If they ignore it you still get the general recip, if they're on the ball enough to replace the general with the specific you get a link back to the actual category. Maybe you could offer some kind of incentive for them to update the recip - or a penalty if they don't? Rob.

2005-06-05, 08:24 AM	#11
Mateusz Screw you, guys. I'm going home. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gliwice, Poland Posts: 996	One vote for option #3.. category recips seem to be pain in the ass but I love them as they contain category matching keywords which I belive is good for both submiter and LL owner

2005-06-05, 09:12 AM	#12
ynuahayt My wife is not a doobie to be passed around! On our wedding day I promised to bogart her for life! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 274	I don't really care either, Idon't group my general recips together, I group my recips by traffic level - and since Fetish philes sends nice traffic then I would also add your new site along some other goodies __________________ Free Blog/Free Site Traffic @ yLovesPorn.com

2005-06-05, 09:37 AM	#13
madleinx Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Big Easy, or Disneyland for Grown-Ups Posts: 120	It wouldn't matter to me - all three options are fine and I group more by traffic and type of site than type of recip. I like cfnm's suggestion too, though it might make a lot more work for you once people figured out they would get listed with an incorrect recip. I love Fetish Philes, too, btw - it's a great list! __________________ <A HREF="http://apps.ClickCash.com/cgi/cc_refer.exe?acct=JUSTMARIE" target="_top">$40 PPS and up on FREE signups! All niches and tons of promo content!</A>

2005-06-05, 09:59 PM	#14
msanchez It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Thumb Posts: 484	I was thinking about this a little more today as i was doing my submits, and I like best the sites that have the category links and a first and second category option so that redhead amateur milf could go in milf and redhead or redhead and amateur or amateur milf... Seems like when there is that second category option I use it as sort of a way to clarify my first category choice. So where with only one category I might choose milf, but your thinking more redhead... possible everyone could win. Well just another thought on this Goodluck __________________ I buy text links, clicked traffic, blog posts, and more! Hit me with a pm.

2005-06-06, 07:04 PM	#15
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	Thanks for all the input and kind words so far guys. A lot of the posts here so far have echoed some of my thought processes when considering where to go with this. To address a few points made here: cfnmparty: I already do this when the recip is close but not an exact match. This is a compromise I make peace with since I've got 110 categories It's amazing how many people submit "babe" sites with the "adult babies" recip when it's clearly marked "Adult Baby/Diaper Fetish" on the recip page. RobUK: I don't know of a script that includes that kind of functionality, and trying to do it by hand would be a debacle. msanchz: When I get really high quality sites submitted to me and they can go in more than one cat (especially when one of them is an undersubmitted cat) I give out bonus listings in additional categories Thanks again for the input so far, and I look forward to seeing what else falls out of the tree