Pay for 2257 info?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by serenity

No problem.
The only thing that will be blocked out of U.S. I.D's, are: some of the address, a couple of numbers from the drivers license and a social security number if applicable.

Foreign passport I.D's will be unblocked.

The new 2257 regs require that the copies of model ID's for secondary producers have enough info that the DOJ can trace them back to the originals. If you're blocking part of the license numbers those ID's may no longer be 2257 compliant.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Toby

The new 2257 regs require that the copies of model ID's for secondary producers have enough info that the DOJ can trace them back to the originals. If you're blocking part of the license numbers those ID's may no longer be 2257 compliant.

a lot of them are doing that sort of thing..i understand wanting to protect the models (and themselves from legal issues) but i don't want to buy a load of new 'compliant' content only to find it isn't.

[serenity]

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

a lot of them are doing that sort of thing..i understand wanting to protect the models (and themselves from legal issues) but i don't want to buy a load of new 'compliant' content only to find it isn't.

All new content and old content comes with unblocked I.D's. According to our attorney, a former prosecutor in the sex crimes division for the DOJ, what we will block will be enough to protect the model's privacy, but give the DOJ enough info to check all relevant ages etc. etc.

When we bought Rock Bottom, we hired attorneys, Becker & Poliakoff that we met at Internext in Vegas. They are really proactive with the new 2257 laws and we are not making any decisions without their legal advice.

This is a crazy road for all of us, and we want everyone to be covered.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by serenity

All new content and old content comes with unblocked I.D's. According to our attorney, a former prosecutor in the sex crimes division for the DOJ, what we will block will be enough to protect the model's privacy, but give the DOJ enough info to check all relevant ages etc. etc.

When we bought Rock Bottom, we hired attorneys, Becker & Poliakoff that we met at Internext in Vegas. They are really proactive with the new 2257 laws and we are not making any decisions without their legal advice.

This is a crazy road for all of us, and we want everyone to be covered.

Okay, again I am not trying to give you a hard time. I have made decent money of of RBC's stuff in the past so I just want to be clear on things. You said they are unblocked but then said some bits are blocked.

I'm in this mode where I have to ask every content supplier very specific questions or they get shady with me on what I am getting. That is why I am asking this again in my own words so I know what is exactly the case.

Okay here it goes: I am reading this to say that if I rebought some of this content today as if I was buying for the first time I would get an id, model release, etc in the package that I downloaded BUT that some bits of that id (few numbers, etc) will be blocked out? Am I reading that correctly?

Thanks for your time btw..I appreciate you clearing the air a great deal.

[RBC]

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Okay, again I am not trying to give you a hard time. I have made decent money of of RBC's stuff in the past so I just want to be clear on things. You said they are unblocked but then said some bits are blocked.

I'm in this mode where I have to ask every content supplier very specific questions or they get shady with me on what I am getting. That is why I am asking this again in my own words so I know what is exactly the case.

Okay here it goes: I am reading this to say that if I rebought some of this content today as if I was buying for the first time I would get an id, model release, etc in the package that I downloaded BUT that some bits of that id (few numbers, etc) will be blocked out? Am I reading that correctly?

Thanks for your time btw..I appreciate you clearing the air a great deal.

Just got the phone with our attorney Brad Gross about this very subject.
If you want more info who represents us go here to start
KBlogger Article Brad Wrote
and
Brad's Background

Per our attorney we will supply all info unblocked on content that is explicit per the new 2257.
The only info that will be blocked will be the model's address on driver's licenses.

2257 stipulates that the ID has to be legible and law authorities be able to track the person.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by RBC

Just got the phone with our attorney Brad Gross about this very subject.
If you want more info who represents us go here to start
KBlogger Article Brad Wrote
and
Brad's Background

Per our attorney we will supply all info unblocked on content that is explicit per the new 2257.
The only info that will be blocked will be the model's address on driver's licenses.

2257 stipulates that the ID has to be legible and law authorities be able to track the person.

I don't see how that keep within the DOJ guidelines:

Originally Posted by DOJ communique

Another commenter proposed that secondary producers be required to
store sanitized (i.e., without personal information such as home
address) hard or digital copies of performers' identification documents
along with a notarized affidavit from the primary producer stating the
location of the complete records. The Department declines to adopt this
comment. Although the Department understands the commenter's desire to
protect private information about performers from being too widely
disseminated, it believes that the suggested plan would be overly
burdensome on primary producers and add an unnecessary layer of
complexity to the record-keeping process. Primary producers would be
required first to sanitize the identification documents and then to
draft, sign, and pay for a notarized affidavit. It is simpler and less
burdensome simply to have primary producers transfer a copy of the
records to secondary producers.

Alex

[Toby]

The question here is what is the emphasis on the word require. The way I read the statement below, the DOJ chose not to make it a requirement that the primary producer send sanitized documents, not that they couldn't do so if they wished. This would be consistant with the statement that model ID's have enough information that they can be traced back to the source documents. That statement seems to imply that some information may not be included.

Yet another of those very thin lines that the court will eventually have to decide.

Originally Posted by DOJ communique

Another commenter proposed that secondary producers be required to
store sanitized (i.e., without personal information such as home
address) hard or digital copies of performers' identification documents
along with a notarized affidavit from the primary producer stating the
location of the complete records. The Department declines to adopt this
comment. Although the Department understands the commenter's desire to
protect private information about performers from being too widely
disseminated, it believes that the suggested plan would be overly
burdensome on primary producers and add an unnecessary layer of
complexity to the record-keeping process. Primary producers would be
required first to sanitize the identification documents and then to
draft, sign, and pay for a notarized affidavit. It is simpler and less
burdensome simply to have primary producers transfer a copy of the
records to secondary producers.