My personal thoughts on 2257

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by pornofreekman

Cleo...You have 2257 info on that pic ?????????

You only need it on a sexually explicate image. Nothing sexually explicate about that image.

I guess some might say that it is sexually explicate but until someone can define exactly what is sexually explicate and what is not I say that image is a science pic showing the inner workings of human anatomy for educational purposes to further broaden the knowledge of the human race for the good of all.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Jim

And where do you live Stu? Do you obey the US speed limit laws as well?

yeah right , i live in the country where nothing is taboe..the netherlands, i have free sites dating 2001 no 2257 and i cant get that either anymore, i realy dont care about the 2257 US law, i live in holland we can smoke weed and we may fuck an 16 year old one, but i have to obey at the rules when an sponsor calls me up to remove the free hardcore content i use of them on my sites, they dont have the papers probably so what to do else? keep the stuff up and get my accounds closed? give me some advice here .realy i didnt worrie about the whole 2257, hell i dont have to live by the US rules, but i use US sponsors..they say pull, oke i have to pull, i have tons of stuff around dating from 2001 when there was no shit with 2257, i have content from content providers who are not around anymore, i dont care about that, lett them get at my door, but if sponsors ask i will remove it all.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Jim

And where do you live Stu? Do you obey the US speed limit laws as well?

This is a perfect example - she's hosted in the US so she has to follow the US laws - just like if she was driving in the US, she'd have to follow the US speed limits.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

This is a perfect example - she's hosted in the US so she has to follow the US laws - just like if she was driving in the US, she'd have to follow the US speed limits.

yep i am hosted in us, now it seems that the hosting companies cant be blamed for the things that the webmasters do in the new 2257, so it wouldnt make an difference if i used dutch host or US, but i do use US sponsors and there is the difference i have to keep by their rules and that is the new 2257 and i am not gonna risk closing my accounds.i worked hard to get where i am now and i wanna stay, so sponsors have the last word for me and i stil hate to change my things

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

You've got 14 free sites that all have a date on them of Feb 2004 - which means they were all moved there on that date, so they are all at least 15 months old & have little or no traffic (plus, lets remember that you didn't even know they were there until I told you I redirected them)

Do you really think that the DOJ will come after you & your 300 pics? And I know you're gonna say "I wish they would" or something like that, but the odds on them actually looking at you is about the same as winning the lottery.

And no, you didn't call me anything, but you know that this thread started after you & I talked on the phone yesterday about what was going on with the content on the servers.

I fear that you stating this opinion might push someone that was on the fence to the (potential) law breaking side & forbid they get fucked because you've got such big balls.

I redirected everything - fuck it - I don't care anymore - I make most of my money off LOR & other link lists & TGP's & that's what I do best.

Love ya

By Monday, I will have at least 10,000 pictures linked from thumbnail pages and I will post the url to them all. I mean, I have no idea what else to do.

Does it matter how much traffic you have going to the pictures? Anyone can feel free to link to them and place on the link "Looking for non-2257 compliant content, click here" that wants to.

This is basically more of a principal to me. Don't think I won't walk the walk along with talking the talk. In NYS you must have a DOT approved motorcycle helmet. My helmet is a piece of leather much like an old timey pilot used to wear. Why do I wear that? Helmet laws are much like seatbelt laws and even 2257. They are unjust.

[Jim]

I'm sure it is out there but could someone post a link to a mainstream news site that talks about 2257. Nothing old...something current. Like I said, I'm sure it's there but I can't anything. Probably just my poor searching abilities.

[Greenguy]

The problem with that is that the term "2257" is only one that we as porn webmasters use - if you look at the mainstream articles on that dipshit that got sentanced last week, they just stated that he violated a Federal Law.

I'm sure every Federal Law has a number, but how often do you see it in the newspaper?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Jim

By Monday, I will have at least 10,000 pictures linked from thumbnail pages and I will post the url to them all....

At your current picture posting rate (Harley Shed) that would be a Monday in 2038?

Love Ya!

[airdick]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

The problem with that is that the term "2257" is only one that we as porn webmasters use - if you look at the mainstream articles on that dipshit that got sentanced last week, they just stated that he violated a Federal Law.

I'm sure every Federal Law has a number, but how often do you see it in the newspaper?

That guy wasn't originally charged with a 2257 violation anyhow, he worked out a deal to plead guilty to a 2257 charge. From what little I could find about the story, I'm not even sure he ever actually published any of the photos he took.

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=229352

[Greenguy]

I didn't see that article by AVN - glads they posted the truth on that

But back the the current topic of this thread - here's the articles published by the mainstream media:
http://www.uticaod.com/archive/2005/...ews/29758.html
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...gion-apnewyork

...Federal law requires photographers to verify their models' ages through identification documents and keep records. ...

"2257" was not mentioned, but we all know that's the law they are referring to.

BTW - "1182" is the law for Inadmissible aliens

[madleinx]

Jim, you are the man! I wonder what DOJ would do if the entire online adult industry simply refused to comply I wish I had the money to take on this fight....

Here's the link to CNN's coverage of the signing of the regulations:

New rules to crack down on child pornography

What a crock.....

[Mavic]

US Gov is fucking with everything right now, I'm close to giving up broadband. Tring to cut out porn and p2p sharing, what else is broadband for? Might as well revert back to 300 bps and Compuserve.

[troy]

Thanks Jim Finnaly someone talking some sence in this whole bullshit.

Please Stu relax to what sponsors are you reffering?

Can't we all focus on the fact that the conversions are way down and what is cousing this

[Jim]

Remind me Greenie in July when I see you that I owe you 1 ass kicking

[Jim]

I just wonder why it is only us talking about 2257 and no mainstream media...None. It is called 2257, not some federal law. Find me some mainstream media that is talking about "2257".

And if I need to, I will ask Sparky to help me with the pictures.

[Qon]

Originally Posted by Jim

When a law is wrong, it is our responsibility to break that law.

thanks for posting this



..

[Greenguy]

madleinx posted a link to CNN - how much more mainstream can you get?

I will agree that it's not getting the coverage that they give a brain dead lady in Florida or a kid touching pop star, but then again, this stuff is rarely talked about in polite conversation outside of our little world

BTW - I did want to say one thing to everyone - Jim has his opinions & I have mine & a lot of time we disagree - this one just happens to be in public & that's fine with me, because that's what this board is for - discussion.

I don't advise anyone to take Jim's or my opinion on this subject to heart - neither of us our lawyers.

Be With You

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

madleinx posted a link to CNN - how much more mainstream can you get?

I will agree that it's not getting the coverage that they give a brain dead lady in Florida or a kid touching pop star, but then again, this stuff is rarely talked about in polite conversation outside of our little world

BTW - I did want to say one thing to everyone - Jim has his opinions & I have mine & a lot of time we disagree - this one just happens to be in public & that's fine with me, because that's what this board is for - discussion.

I don't advise anyone to take Jim's or my opinion on this subject to heart - neither of us our lawyers.

Be With You

I still owe you an ass kicking

[Jim]

One last thing...I promise.
Back in the day when there was a real threat, it was on the news daily.

[Cleo]

Did someone say ass kicking?

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[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by troy

Thanks Jim Finnaly someone talking some sence in this whole bullshit.

Please Stu relax to what sponsors are you reffering?

Can't we all focus on the fact that the conversions are way down and what is cousing this

lets see i got an email from squirtingcarly.com (i use them )saying:
Effective June 23, 2005 Affiliates will no longer be able to use SEXUALLY EXPLICIT content of Carly to Promote her site. If you have any images of Carly that are Sexually Explicit, they must be removed. This decision is set for 100% of our affiliates, no matter where you are located. SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts. If you have a special project planned, contact me about hosting it for you. I apologize for the inconvenience, the new regulaltions are forcing all of us to make changes. Thank you, Carly.
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Now since i have sites and galleries around from her with her sexual content i need to rmove those.

Then i got ATK cash email:

If you are hosting any ATKINGDOM content (including banners) that is hardcore in nature, we respectfully ask that you remove this content immediately. While in itself, we would consider hardcore promotional materials from our site to be a violation of our TOS and subject to closure of your account, the new 2257 regulations mean the penalties for noncompliant US webmasters are MUCH worse than just having your account terminated.

Then extreme paychecks is dropping some paysites , well i promoot soe of those dropped paysites with their content, so i need to remove that too.
and i expect more emails from sponsors about it.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

lets see i got an email from squirtingcarly.com (i use them )saying:
Effective June 23, 2005 Affiliates will no longer be able to use SEXUALLY EXPLICIT content of Carly to Promote her site. If you have any images of Carly that are Sexually Explicit, they must be removed. This decision is set for 100% of our affiliates, no matter where you are located. SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts. If you have a special project planned, contact me about hosting it for you. I apologize for the inconvenience, the new regulaltions are forcing all of us to make changes. Thank you, Carly.
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Now since i have sites and galleries around from her with her sexual content i need to rmove those.

Then i got ATK cash email:

If you are hosting any ATKINGDOM content (including banners) that is hardcore in nature, we respectfully ask that you remove this content immediately. While in itself, we would consider hardcore promotional materials from our site to be a violation of our TOS and subject to closure of your account, the new 2257 regulations mean the penalties for noncompliant US webmasters are MUCH worse than just having your account terminated.

Then extreme paychecks is dropping some paysites , well i promoot soe of those dropped paysites with their content, so i need to remove that too.
and i expect more emails from sponsors about it.

so Troy after reading those emails, still say fuck the 2257? yep i can say that , so i will loose my accounds i am not gonna fuck up 4 years of hard work...i realy dont see a point in that, do i agree with the 2257 hell not, and i am not an US person, yep i have US host (they cant be blamed for the things i do) but the sponsors are trying to protect themselfs and do follow the rules, and since those sponsors send me an paycheck...i have to follow their rules.Easy pick!

[tickler]

Stu, I'm starting to see quite a bit of that stuff.

Sponsors forcing non-US WMs to follow US rules, 'cause they don't want them to have an unfair advantage over US WMs. Guess my foreign sponsor content is going to go up.

[Cleo]

If a sponsor is going to force me to design in an uncompetitive way then I would stop using that sponsor.

You don't sell cars by showing bicycles
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[Trev_UK]

Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!