Liability?

[Ramster]

No. Not as in jail time or even chargeable.

Could the family sue? Maybe.

[Mr. Blue]

Hmm, you're making a lot of assumptions with that post.

1. You assume that it isn't easy already to get a model's id. Most free content offered by sponsors can easily be found and bought for $5 a set from content providers.

2. Do content providers do an extensive background check before you buy? It's been my experience if I put the money down, they'll give me whatever I ask.

3. Some sponsors that are offering the id's do a better background check of their affiliates than most content providers do. Granted, not all sponsors do this, but all the sponsors I use did a check before I became a member.

4. If a model signs a legally binding release and the sponsor thought ahead and made this clear, how could they be legally bound?

5. Those sponsors are also technically following the letter of the law. This isn't something they just dreamed up.

6. One final thing...people always use this generalized idea that the model's id will be handed out to just anyone. This info isn't being passed around to just anyone. These "stalkers, murders, etc" are webmasters...people need to remember that most affiliates 99% of them are business people before anything else. That 1% that isn't, well they might be nutcases, but guess what, they can get the info they need for $5...so...I honestly don't see the risk escalating that much.

What I've talked about above is in regards to most free content offered...I do understand that Solo-girl sites that are exclusive content, where you can't buy them from content providers, etc...that's a different story.

[emmanuelle]

[quote=Mr. Blue]Hmm, you're making a lot of assumptions with that post.

QUOTE]

Not at all. This isn't a "______" is doing it too" thread. Just asking a pointed question.

And not all of the programs offering ids are screening- I know of one who will hand them out for the asking.

Surfers are savvier than they are given credit for. Just yesterday I had one sign up to our program, then immediately join one of our paysites. Surfers are all over the webmaster forums. The know-how is readily available. Besides, who says that webmasters are any less capable of being creepy than surfers? People are people.

I still feel that it's a matter of putting dollars ahead of people's physical safety, and it's wrong.

[Mr. Blue]

Well, you miss the point that it's been happening for over a year already. There hasn't been an incident. It is a matter of who's also doing it because they're the same ones supply the free content sponsors are using.

Model ID's have been readily handed out for over a year already...nothing has happened...2257 sucks all around, but that doesn't change the fact that it's the law and these id's have already been tossed around to thousands of people without incident.

[ArtWilliams]

Handing out the IDs in Canada, without the expressed WRITTEN consent of the model, would break out federal privacy laws. I am not a lawyer but I know that much.

I am sure that individual states would have similar legislation thereby putting affiliates in the nasty situation of having to choose between State and Federal law.

It is terrible that these women's safety is in jeopardy. Next comes the ladies who do cams from their bedrooms and have to put home addresses on their sites. Sadly, the DOJ cares little about these "cyberwhores".

--art

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by artwilliams

Handing out the IDs in Canada, without the expressed WRITTEN consent of the model, would break out federal privacy laws. I am not a lawyer but I know that much.

I am sure that individual states would have similar legislation thereby putting affiliates in the nasty situation of having to choose between State and Federal law.

It is terrible that these women's safety is in jeopardy. Next comes the ladies who do cams from their bedrooms and have to put home addresses on their sites. Sadly, the DOJ cares little about these "cyberwhores".

--art

I think that some people might be a little more sensitive to the issue if a loved one were a performer. Unfortunately, models are often considered to be at the bottom of the food chain in this industry.

[Mr. Blue]

[quote=emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Hmm, you're making a lot of assumptions with that post.

QUOTE]
Surfers are savvier than they are given credit for. Just yesterday I had one sign up to our program, then immediately join one of our paysites. Surfers are all over the webmaster forums. The know-how is readily available. Besides, who says that webmasters are any less capable of being creepy than surfers? People are people.

So you're saying that surfers surf these boards...shocking, so they also could be the ones that are buying content from these content providers? It's already out there...unless 2257 is overhauled completely its going to remain out there.

[emmanuelle]

[quote=Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Any particular reason why you are being so agressive? I was under the impression that this board was one of the few places left for intelligent discussion, free from attacks.

[Mr. Blue]

[quote=emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Any particular reason why you are being so agressive? I was under the impression that this board was one of the few places left for intelligent discussion, free from attacks.

Umm, how am I attacking you?

I personally thought your first post was way too severe on sponsors that are giving out this information. I've not personally attacked you in any way, shape, or form.

Intelligent discussion and counterpoints have been given. Just because you don't like the points doesn't mean that I'm attacking with my responses.