The shitstorm scenario of 2257

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I dont see how these surfer/stalkers gonna get the model info

can we please put this to bed

The webmaster has the ids
the surfer doesnt know where the content was bought
the surfer can only get the webmasters address .... not the models

so how does the surfer stalk the model

It must be a NY thing...but I'm of the same opinion as you are. Basically right now all this info is available if you look hard enough for it or have half a brain to find the info...most content providers are giving the info out for the price of a set of photos.

The info on most of the popular models on the net is out there already. Nothing has happened, I'm not saying that nothing will happen, but I have better things to do with my time then to theorize on a worst case scenerio and fear mongering.

Btw, California is going to sink into the ocean with a massive earthquake soon...terrorists are going to attack NYC again and take out the statue of liberty, and Tom Cruise is going to marry Katie Holmes (oh shit, that's actually going to happen...FUCK...we're screwed, end of the world...doomsday!)

Have a beer.
Drink it.
Repeat process until you settle down.

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

It must be a NY thing...but I'm of the same opinion as you are. Basically right now all this info is available if you look hard enough for it or have half a brain to find the info...most content providers are giving the info out for the price of a set of photos.

The info on most of the popular models on the net is out there already. Nothing has happened, I'm not saying that nothing will happen, but I have better things to do with my time then to theorize on a worst case scenerio and fear mongering.

We give it out to 50 people who we have at least a Credit Card contact, and in most cases more, so why can't sponsors give out IDs to 1,000 people they hve less info on.

Most popular models will have some protection in place, it's the everyday model that's 80% of the content on the Internet I fear for.

Give your IDs to anyone who signs up on your site or via your galleries and then you will understand.

Your logic is astounding.

This is just my non lawyer, non US citizen/resident but been 2257 compliant since 1985 opinino.

This law is a fucked up stupid law put together to try and damage the US Internet porn industry, please the right wing and will fail. It's over burdonsome and unconstitional it will get turned down. Leaves you wondering what all those bright guys over at the DOJ were thinking.

However look at the way we as an industry publish PORN, yes pictures or videos of people havinf sex, getting anal raped, DPed, gagged and worse.

We today can buy from a broker anywhere in the world, who is representing a shooter in another country and who he lists as Custodian of Records. We can then give this content, license permitting, to 100s or even 1,000s of people to publish on the Internet. Some of these people are working from their garage and back bedroom. Two cases come to mind immediately where this is wrong.

A Danish broker was selling pictures from a producer in Germany who was morphing a head of a celebrity onto the body of a naked male.

Web Legal was selling pictures from a Ukraniabn shooter who was forging IDs on girls who clearly looked under age and refusing to give the buyer the IDs.

both incidents happened and both hit the boards and the withholding of the IDs was "Legal" because Sundance made it so.

Today we can get content of a teen girl getting fucked and the IDs can be sitting with the producer in Russia, well we are told thay are there.

Now look at more reality. There are porn sites being pulled in their 1,000s simply because the publisher does not have and cannot get the IDs to prove the content is legal. Sites where who knows if the documents ever existed, well the content shooter told the broker they existed.

This is porn not a garage sale, we are incapable of cleaning up our act and need to be regulated. Pity is this law will not get through the courts to do it.

And lastly, do you think this law will stop the Hustler's, Score's, Vivid's, Wicked's etc. of the porn industry working and publishing? No but in might remove some of the cottage industry element.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

We give it out to 50 people who we have at least a Credit Card contact, and in most cases more, so why can't sponsors give out IDs to 1,000 people they hve less info on.

Most popular models will have some protection in place, it's the everyday model that's 80% of the content on the Internet I fear for.

Give your IDs to anyone who signs up on your site or via your galleries and then you will understand.

Your logic is astounding.

Actually, it's not a numbers game as you make it sound. If a person wants to get to a model, they'll be able to, it's fact. 50 webmasters or 1000 webmasters, the 1 insane one can be found in either group.

You don't do a background check anymore then sponsors...saying because a person has a credit card and they paid $5 doesn't make them a sane person. Ted Bundy, one of America's biggest serial killers, lived a completely ordinary existence...had a job, had credit cards, and the trail of his credit cards was a piece of evidence they used to put him in the locations...too bad it was after he killed 40 people.

So making this invisible security veil of $5 and a credit card is just laughable.

2257 is being used to chill the porn industry in America, but the chill first starts when fear mongering begins based on conjecture and not fact. Adult webmasters that come on boards and scare the shit out of fellow webmasters with conjecture, rumours, and nothing based in fact...that's when the chill begins.

Also you can moralize all you want...but the fact remains that right now you're selling 2257 complaint content. That you could very well be giving a models id to some lunatic. That just because you give it to 50 people instead of a few hundred...doesn't change the fact that you're giving out the id with all the information that's needed to put that model in harms way. So, 50 or 100 or 1000...to me it's all the same flavor of the same topic.

You can disagree all you want, but the fact is the only way you could make your models 100% safe is not to take their pictures and talk them into getting a job at McDonalds instead of posing nude. So, maybe you should stop moralizing and just be honest with yourself that you're a flesh peddler like the rest of us

Very true Mr Blue, what is your real name by the way?

Yes giving it out IDs to one person represents a danger, but less of a danger than giving it out to a thousand. Still the determined insane person will get through. But what about the curious, fans, porn devotees? What about the power you place in the hands of affiliates when they are accused of cheating?

Suddenly the accused has 10, 50, 100 IDs of models on the accusers site. Don't you see the problem here?

Go read the porn surfers boards where they ask for models real names, locations, etc. How long before they start posting her address? Do you really think that is a risk you want to take?

And how do you know what checks I make? You are so clever come on and spill the beans on my checking system.

Actually my minimum order is $20 not $5, so you know very little of how I run my business.

And yes I do worry about my models IDs being stolen and used wrongly, that is why it states in my license that the models IDs and real name cannot be revealed. I'm keeping the door slightly open, your argument is because it's not slammed shut and bolted it should be flung wide open.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

Very true Mr Blue, what is your real name by the way?

Yes giving it out IDs to one person represents a danger, but less of a danger than giving it out to a thousand. Still the determined insane person will get through. But what about the curious, fans, porn devotees? What about the power you place in the hands of affiliates when they are accused of cheating?

Suddenly the accused has 10, 50, 100 IDs of models on the accusers site. Don't you see the problem here?

Go read the porn surfers boards where they ask for models real names, locations, etc. How long before they start posting her address? Do you really think that is a risk you want to take?

And how do you know what checks I make? You are so clever come on and spill the beans on my checking system.

Actually my minimum order is $20 not $5, so you know very little of how I run my business.

And yes I do worry about my models IDs being stolen and used wrongly, that is why it states in my license that the models IDs and real name cannot be revealed. I'm keeping the door slightly open, your argument is because it's not slammed shut and bolted it should be flung wide open.

You can have my real name in a few days as I'm putting it up on the net. Or you could just look up one of my domains and it has my P.O. box address there (which I check everyday at noon)...see, webmasters have to use their real names, real locals, real phone numbers because TGP owners and LL owners want real information So, everyone knows where a webmaster can be found...I haven't seen any of us killed yet...might happen, might not happen, who knows...I'm not going to be cowering in my house worrying about it though.

$20 or $5, that's a big difference...thanks for clearing that up for me.

I've never bought from you...your content never suited my taste, but I did ask some people and they said you have a quick turnaround...which is a good thing. My point is, you can't tell who's a lunatic and who isn't by the fact they have a credit card and a url.

50 or 100 or 1000...the one lunatic can exist in any of those numbers. You can say they don't...you can claim that you've never sold to a nut...but you can't really say that can you? You can't really say that you protect your models 100%...the only way you could do that would be to stop giving out their ids.

The info is out there. Turn a blind eye to it if you want, but it is out there. A nut can find the info if he wants...unfortunately it's the nature of the adult industry that once you pose for a pic, once you write a webpage, once you do anything in adult you no longer have anonymity.