Freedom Isn't Free! Fuck the FSC!

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Can I use the "No Justice, No Peace" picket sign? I've lived in NYC, whenever we have a protest, quasi-riot that's the war chant.

omg that is so true.. as the proud owner of 5 arrests, no convictions, during the apartheid pickets in the 80's.. i do believe i can still belt that one out and on key..

Originally Posted by Wenchy

I can't even put into words my fury at this whole FSC debacle. Here we sit in a situation where potentially hundreds of people are losing a large portion of their income, and the FSC has balls enough to expect $300 PER REMAINING WEBSITE for their holy-rolling "protection"?!? What the fuck is that about? Some of us are trying to figure out how to replace our missing income... we certainly aren't in a financial position to be coughing up large sums of cash to a somewhat questionably intentioned group of lawyers who supposedly "represent the entire adult entertainment community". Bah!

the word i'd use would be oh let me think..

extortion comes to mind..

and as card carrying member, as everyone who believes in our constitution should be, of the ACLU, i think its time those of us who are members should do a little politicing ourselves.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by docholly

and as card carrying member, as everyone who believes in our constitution should be, of the ACLU, i think its time those of us who are members should do a little politicing ourselves.

I wish the ACLU handled this instead of the FSC. Instead of going after the target before them, they found a nifty way to circumnavigate the issue for a few months at what cost? They didn’t go for an injunction of the reg. as they knew that would have to be all inclusive and not just for their members.

There’s so many downsides to this type of plea bargain agreement which in essence it is..a plea bargain agreement. I’m still not sure whether I should pay the extortion or not, but I’ll say it repeatedly…I wish the ACLU handled this from the start.

[xxxjay]

Oh lord, you guys...you could do 2 things, the way I see it:

1. Get a lawyer and file your own injunction (much more than $300)

2. Get 100% 2257 compliant and pray they don't come knocking

It is Gonzolez vs. The Free Speach Coalition not Gonzolez vs. The Earth!

Do you think all of the people that want porn gone to be part of the injunction? Nope.

Grow up people...$300 ain't shit and if you can't afford it -- this obviously hasn't been working out for you and you should consider another job.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Grow up people...$300 ain't shit and if you can't afford it -- this obviously hasn't been working out for you and you should consider another job.

OK, I'm convinced - I quit.

Everyone please stop submitting to me and pull all of my links. I'm too immature, too ignorant, and don't have any tattoos or piercings, so I can no longer remain in this industry. As of noon today, my domains will be used for selling bibles.

[Useless]

And another fucking thing,

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Oh lord, you guys...you could do 2 things, the way I see it:

1. Get a lawyer and file your own injunction (much more than $300)

2. Get 100% 2257 compliant and pray they don't come knocking

It is Gonzolez vs. The Free Speach Coalition not Gonzolez vs. The Earth!

Do you think all of the people that want porn gone to be part of the injunction? Nope.

Maybe the ignorant cock that wrote the 2257 announcement for OC Cash should have mentioned that only FSC members are safe from justice before OC Cash told us to pretty much not worry about complying. What'ya think there, tough guy?

[Linkster]

I dont know where ya'll are getting your history on 2257 - but it started being written under the first Bush and went through under Clinton - its been around for a long time - just nobody payed any attention to it including the DOJ

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

And another fucking thing,
Maybe the ignorant cock that wrote the 2257 announcement for OC Cash should have mentioned that only FSC members are safe from justice before OC Cash told us to pretty much not worry about complying. What'ya think there, tough guy?

Easy killer...you need to make up your own mind about things and not determine what you will do by a program's announcement (or boards for that matter)...

BTW: the "ignorant cock" you are speaking of is working on the injunction, which is the only thing that kept the feds from potentially coming knocking on your door on the 23rd.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

...which is the only thing that kept the feds from potentially coming knocking on your door on the 23rd.

I'm not scared.
is my co-pilot.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

you need to make up your own mind about things and not determine what you will do by a program's announcement (or boards for that matter)...

I decided how I would react far before any sponsor bothered to release a statement. I'm not a member of the FSC, I haven't removed single or link, and oddly enough I have not been arrested. I'm ruled by common sense, not fear.

[Carmilla]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'm not a member of the FSC, I haven't removed single or link, and oddly enough I have not been arrested. I'm ruled by common sense, not fear.

Right on.

I'm a lowly small private webmaster; my sites number in the double digits not triple nor quadruple, and I've yet to have to pay any taxes on any of my web earnings (after nearly 6 yrs of doing this) because I make so damned little at it, who the hell cares? Not even the IRS! Hence, while I am certainly concerned for my Constitutionally-assured rights, for my personal self I have little worry. I just can't see the DOJ hitting even 1/10th of the existing porn sites OR porn webmasters, regardless of their income and/or prominence (or total lack thereof).

To my mind, "civil disobedience' should be the order of the day, here. If we don't like the law, we just don't observe it. Kinda like smoking pot, y'know? Did the laws against that ever stop any stoner from getting high? Not on your doobie-doobie-doo. This pornophobic administration will be out of office probably before they finish debating this issue, so why worry?

We need an Alfred E. Neuman icon for this.

Millions of people want porn. The millions who don't want them to have it will not be able to stop them, nor those who provide it for them. MORALITY CANNOT BE LEGISLATED. Perhaps the Supreme Court will remember this, even if no one else in this reactionary gov't does.

Ok there's my 2 cents. Don't spend it all in one place. |blowkiss|

Carmilla

[domweb]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Oh lord, you guys...you could do 2 things, the way I see it:

1. Get a lawyer and file your own injunction (much more than $300)

2. Get 100% 2257 compliant and pray they don't come knocking

Do you think all of the people that want porn gone to be part of the injunction? Nope.

Grow up people...$300 ain't shit and if you can't afford it -- this obviously hasn't been working out for you and you should consider another job.

Cool Jay. I took the third option...but I CAN afford the $300.

This isn't about the money. This about the principle. So if you don't wanna hear...don't read the "FUCK THE FSC" post....it will only upset you.

As for 'cant afford it" comment:

You are a webmaster who has had TIME to develop your business and was ABLE to build his site when the ridiculous regulations were NOT in place. Now that things are different and you are in a position of serious traffic, it's cool to throw the newbies to the lions?

Screw the little guy! Make him post his home address!

Did you post your home address on your site, Jay?

Or are you successful enough now to run it all out of an office?

[Boogie]

Originally Posted by domweb

Or are you successful enough now to run it all out of an office?

he definately runs it out of an office. a damned nice office too judged by the shots he's posted. but it doesnt mean i agree with hsi entire message

[Wenchy]

I personally don't know anyone to whom "$300 ain't shit", present company included. Some of us sling porn as a second income, not so we can drive a fucking Hummer and shop at Neiman-Marcus. I have many other important and valid places for my $300 (like braces for my kid) and I refuse to accept the idea that I am a bad person or too "lowly" to be a porn webmaster because of my situation.

I'm certainly not attempting to pick a fight with anyone, especially xxxjay, but sometimes things aren't as simple as perhaps they appear to be at first glance.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by domweb

Cool Jay. I took the third option...but I CAN afford the $300.

This isn't about the money. This about the principle. So if you don't wanna hear...don't read the "FUCK THE FSC" post....it will only upset you.

As for 'cant afford it" comment:

You are a webmaster who has had TIME to develop your business and was ABLE to build his site when the ridiculous regulations were NOT in place. Now that things are different and you are in a position of serious traffic, it's cool to throw the newbies to the lions?

Screw the little guy! Make him post his home address!

Did you post your home address on your site, Jay?

Or are you successful enough now to run it all out of an office?

Dude, you can't re-write the way our system works. I don't think the FSC could do an injunction in a way the would satisfy you even if they could.

Even if you are not a member, as long as it is enjoined - there is a 99.9% chance nothing will happen to you.