US LL Owners: Bondage with Penetration?

[MadMax]

Not offering, at least not ATM

This recently came up in a conversation I was having with a friend so I'd like to get some opinions from others. In still photos, in the absence of soundtrack or back story, it's conceiveable that bondage with penetration could be argued to be r@pe since the person bound cannot physically avoid being penetrated. As a lifestyler myself, I well understand that it's not r@pe and can in fact be a whole lot of fun, but I accept the possibility of the arguement in the United States of The Bible Thumpers. I also understand (Canadians correct me if I'm wrong) that in Canada it's specifically illegal. Does anyone have any hesitation listing bondage sites with penetration?

TIA

[Lemmy]

In my non-legal uneducated opinion, whether or not something is r@pe depends on the willing participation (or not) of the person being penetrated. Him or her being bound doesn't necessarily have anything to do with that.

As long as it's consensual I have no problems at all, and if the pic/movie is from a known and respected sponsor/provider I trust that it is.

However, given the recent developments in our industry it wouldn't surprize me at all if someone is able to dust off a forgotten law that says it's illegal to have any kind of penetration while bound. If I'm not mistaken there are still a few states that have laws against sodomy. Only in America...

[Fido]

Now when I am reading this thread I realized that I probably have not seen too much (if any) bondage pics with penetration, so maybe there are some law restrictions.

[Cleo]

I've heard of this bit it is not something that I consider when reviewing.

If something didn't look consensual to me then I would decline the site but not just because some kind of restraints are being used.

[neticule]

hogtied.com, from cybernet entertainment uses penetration in bondage, I remember a while back them wanting to do it, but they didnt because of the laws. But after some talk with their lawyers they decided it was ok. So, apparently there is a law about it, but I think if you have certain paperwork and agreements with the model, it can be legal, just my guess though, dont take my word for it

[airdick]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Not offering, at least not ATM

This recently came up in a conversation I was having with a friend so I'd like to get some opinions from others. In still photos, in the absence of soundtrack or back story, it's conceiveable that bondage with penetration could be argued to be r@pe since the person bound cannot physically avoid being penetrated. As a lifestyler myself, I well understand that it's not r@pe and can in fact be a whole lot of fun, but I accept the possibility of the arguement in the United States of The Bible Thumpers. I also understand (Canadians correct me if I'm wrong) that in Canada it's specifically illegal. Does anyone have any hesitation listing bondage sites with penetration?

TIA

BDSM producers in the USA used to be pretty skittish about producing any BDSM with sex and/or penetration. There is very little beyond cp crap that is actually spelled out in federal law as being illegal, it all comes down to what some prosecutor may or may not think they can win an obscenity conviction on.

If you search Usenet archives at google you can find a number of threads on the subject.
This old thread on Usenet has a post from Bill Majors that explains the situation pretty well. Majors actually went to prison for selling porn, so he knows what he's talking about!

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...926f670271c07e

I'm sure you already know that one of the best converting BDSM sponors is US based and doesn't seem to be worried about producing really hot content featuring penetration, masturbation, and bondage, so perhaps the legal climate has become a bit safer recently.

[Useless]

What's the point of strapping them down if you aren't going to stick it to them? That's my new motto.

I've only ever listed a couple of things with bondage and insertion because that damned Canadian (Alex ) makes me afraid to list that stuff. The way this industry is going, soon enough we'll only be allowed to list hardcore if it's the missionary position, no one has shaved genitalia, and it's obvious that they are only doing if for procreation.

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Not offering, at least not ATM

This recently came up in a conversation I was having with a friend so I'd like to get some opinions from others. In still photos, in the absence of soundtrack or back story, it's conceiveable that bondage with penetration could be argued to be r@pe since the person bound cannot physically avoid being penetrated. As a lifestyler myself, I well understand that it's not r@pe and can in fact be a whole lot of fun, but I accept the possibility of the arguement in the United States of The Bible Thumpers. I also understand (Canadians correct me if I'm wrong) that in Canada it's specifically illegal. Does anyone have any hesitation listing bondage sites with penetration?

TIA

I am not sure if it is specfically illegal in Canada but I do know that I've never seen it in a video store in Toronto. Bondage yes, bondage with hardcore sex, no. I've never seen scat or animals either. Peeing seems to be okay. Like the US it also depends where you are. I bet you can get away with a lot more in Montreal or Vancouver than in Toronto or Wawa!

A lot of our obscenity law is based on case (common) law. Hardcore was technically illegal until a few (10-15?) years ago. An owner of a chain of adult video stores was charged with breaking federal obscenity laws but his movies were screened and approved by the provincial (like a state) government. The Supreme Court ruled if the provinical government said the movies were okay then he broke no law. Since then the police charge virtually no one accept for sellers of CP.

Video taping 80 guys ejaculating on a woman's face okay -- one man fucking a tied up woman who wants to be fucked not okay. Go figure.

--art

[Cleo]

Why would I even care what Canadian law is since I don't live in Canada?

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by Cleo

Why would I even care what Canadian law is since I don't live in Canada?

And if the content is NOT on your sever, you're just linking to it?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Cleo

Why would I even care what Canadian law is since I don't live in Canada?

Because they are lined up at the border, poised for invasion.

Damn, I wish they would. I'd surrender like France in a thunder storm.

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Because they are lined up at the border, poised for invasion.

Damn, I wish they would. I'd surrender like France in a thunder storm.

When we take you all prisoner, you'll be fed Sleeman (or Moosehead), beavertails and fiddleheads!

---art

[Cleo]

Most of what we do is illegal someplace. Maybe we should all be doing business according to China law.

Funny how having local laws doesn't really work for something global like the internet.

Not that I'm real happy with what is going on where I live.

[RawAlex]

Very specifically, that content is illegal in Canada. You can have bondage. You can have penetration. You cannot have a bound model being penetrated. Non-consentual sex is non-consentual sex, even if it was previous consented to.

R@pe is R@pe, no matter what the issue. When one person cannot say no, cannot stop the action, cannot get away from it, then it is illegal in Canada.

That's life.

Alex

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Cleo

Most of what we do is illegal someplace. Maybe we should all be doing business according to China law.

Funny how having local laws doesn't really work for something global like the internet.

Not that I'm real happy with what is going on where I live.

LOL...I wasn't suggesting we follow CA law in the US...just using it as a talking point for the discussion

[Ann Omness]

We don't have a problem with it unless your ad copy is pretending that your images depict nonconsensual sex.