Canada Chimes in on 2257 Today

[Sinistress]

Haha, I LOVE this thread. *grins*

For those who are wary of the cold, it hit 47 degrees CELSIUS in North Eastern Ontario today. For those who can't convert, that's WELL over 100F (But they do have nasty cold winters out that way too)

Myself, I live on the West Coast, and in all honesty its lovely up here. We are WAAAAAAAAAY warmer through the winters, than most of the entire continental USA is...but that's also largely because of the mountains sheltering us from extreme weather fronts, and the ocean keeping our temperatures moderate.

Health care, is paid for by taxes yes, but I would not be so quick to jump to saying that makes it "good." For small things, yes its fabulous, but for anything specific, it makes it rather terrible in fact. I put my back out at my day job about a month ago & when I went to the walk in clinic, my words were "Between my right shoulderblade and my spine" --The paperwork came back reading that I had injured my lower back. Riiight. When it got worse & was putting amazing pressure on my chestplate, I phoned the clinic to see how I'd go about seeing a back specialist, someone other than a chiropracter. Apparently, they're booking MONTHS in advance, and I would've had to wait MONTHS to see one. Fuck that, by that point I'd be freakin' paralyzed LOL I went to a physiotherapist that didn't require a referral from a doctor, and got right in. Had to pay a clinic fee for what my MSP didn't cover, but no biggie & I can get it refunded later from Workers Comp.

It did however, fast change my attitude about our healthcare system, and made me realize just how dire of a state it must be in. Unfortunately what was a fabulous idea "back then" when it was installed, has now become a financial nightmare for pretty much everybody... For that I think I'll blame technology, because "back then" we didn't have anywhere near as much expensive electronical life saving equipment as we do now, ...the result is the quality of healthcare is declining, while we struggle to keep up with technology.

As far as porn & weed goes though, yeah... We're a laid back bunch up here...

[Xeno]

Originally Posted by Toby

Seems to be a rather brisk breeze blowing today.

nah...it was just my sled dog farting eh...hehe

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Jim

As much as I don't like some Canadians, I do respect their government. The more Canadians I meet, the more I like them. I just hate the ones that steal money from me

I hate to say it but I dislike a lot more Americans then I do Canadians. They have better beer, the women in Montreal are far better then any where in the USA (I'm not counting South Beach because that's mostly surgically enhanced) and Candians don't have a channel dedicated to Law & Order.

I lived in Minneapolis for 3 years. Those folks in Toronto don't have a clue about cold.

[tickler]

Toronto is actually farther south than most of the northern states.

[Doug E]

channel dedicated to Law & Order.

seems like every channel up here is law and order or csi or some rip off. im sorry to hear canadians arent the only ones with bad taste.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by tickler

Toronto is actually farther south than most of the northern states.

Indeed. http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/aminet/pix/map/Canada.jpg

Well, screw Montreal then. I'm heading to Toronto.

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I hate to say it but I dislike a lot more Americans then I do Canadians. They have better beer, the women in Montreal are far better then any where in the USA (I'm not counting South Beach because that's mostly surgically enhanced) and Candians don't have a channel dedicated to Law & Order.

I lived in Minneapolis for 3 years. Those folks in Toronto don't have a clue about cold.

Toronto has less snow than it's neighbours in PA, OH, etc but if you really hate snow the best place to go is Vancouver. It gets cool there in the winter but it rarely snows. I would count it (British Columbia) as the second most "socially progressive" province after Quebec (with Ontario and its capitial of Toronto coming in third).

--art (Toronto ON)

[DannyCox]

An interesting point in that article is, "That would violate Canada's Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act"

A few Canadian Adult companies have already released identification documents in order to retain their marketing materials. I don't believe they realize that they now face criminal charges here in Canada for doing so. It would take just one complaint from one model, and the company would be in very deep sh*t!

We have already publicly stated that we will never release information on any models or Amateurs who have ever worked with us. Not only is it illegal in Canada to do so (without prior written consent from the model), it is just morally wrong. The safety and security of these models is paramount, and there are just too many "crazies" out there (and in our industry).

When most of these women (and men) shot for the various producers, they did so with the knowledge that their personal information would never be released, other than if requested by proper authorities. I now have a number of packages that have been sent to me, with ALL the model's information, including addresses! And I didn't even request it.

Not only is 2257 unjust, and a real pain in the ass, it also affects the security of thousands of people, many of which do not have a clue that their personal info is being distributed all over the 'net. It'll just take one idiot to think it's funny to release it all to the masses. I doubt very much the NDA's that some people are signing will have much of an effect on that.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

An interesting point in that article is, "That would violate Canada's Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act"

A few Canadian Adult companies have already released identification documents in order to retain their marketing materials. I don't believe they realize that they now face criminal charges here in Canada for doing so. It would take just one complaint from one model, and the company would be in very deep sh*t!

We have already publicly stated that we will never release information on any models or Amateurs who have ever worked with us. Not only is it illegal in Canada to do so (without prior written consent from the model), it is just morally wrong. The safety and security of these models is paramount, and there are just too many "crazies" out there (and in our industry).

When most of these women (and men) shot for the various producers, they did so with the knowledge that their personal information would never be released, other than if requested by proper authorities. I now have a number of packages that have been sent to me, with ALL the model's information, including addresses! And I didn't even request it.

Not only is 2257 unjust, and a real pain in the ass, it also affects the security of thousands of people, many of which do not have a clue that their personal info is being distributed all over the 'net. It'll just take one idiot to think it's funny to release it all to the masses. I doubt very much the NDA's that some people are signing will have much of an effect on that.

Actually, under C-PIPED you can be in shit for even having the documents. So at least one sponsor is telling affiliates to not even download the docs unless you are a US WM.

I think that the privacy acts in Europe are much the same, especially in the UK and other commonwealth countries.

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

An interesting point in that article is, "That would violate Canada's Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act"

A few Canadian Adult companies have already released identification documents in order to retain their marketing materials. I don't believe they realize that they now face criminal charges here in Canada for doing so. It would take just one complaint from one model, and the company would be in very deep sh*t!

We have already publicly stated that we will never release information on any models or Amateurs who have ever worked with us. Not only is it illegal in Canada to do so (without prior written consent from the model), it is just morally wrong. The safety and security of these models is paramount, and there are just too many "crazies" out there (and in our industry).

When most of these women (and men) shot for the various producers, they did so with the knowledge that their personal information would never be released, other than if requested by proper authorities. I now have a number of packages that have been sent to me, with ALL the model's information, including addresses! And I didn't even request it.

Not only is 2257 unjust, and a real pain in the ass, it also affects the security of thousands of people, many of which do not have a clue that their personal info is being distributed all over the 'net. It'll just take one idiot to think it's funny to release it all to the masses. I doubt very much the NDA's that some people are signing will have much of an effect on that.

One small point ... Privacy laws in Canada are NOT part of the criminal code per se, though failure to comply with a Federal Court order to change one's privacy procedures could result in criminal charges being laid.

--art

[susanna]

[quote=chadknowslaw]Their healthcare is not "free". Canadians just pay for their healthcare through their taxes indirectly instead of directly though their checkbooks. Saying Canada has free healthcare is like saying the US has free roads but then not noticing how much gasoline tax you pay at the pump to pay for the roads.
QUOTE]


Your right its not free, its attached to taxes which means based on income. Rich pay more then poor if you think of it that way. The system used to be much better whereby in time of need you do not think about who is going to pay. All people have the right to the same level of health care and no one is ever afraid at that moment that they would have to stay home vs getting the help they need. The system is over taxed at the moment as we have a bizzilian baby boomers going thru it. It might just max out, our biggest concern is not enough doctors and in some places nurses. We are increasing our medical schools and cutting deals whereby they must stay in a rural canadian city for a number of years in order to get a reduction in their tuition etc. Access to service is no longer a given and those of us who are mid to upper income often travel to the US to pay-as-you-die facilities.

Call us "white bread" if you wish Jim but Canadians are, on average, a much more advanced society. We are not bohunkles and beer drinkers. We have an amazingly tollerant society were people do not go around shooting each other. We are not self destructing and we still feel good about our political leaders.

Being proud of your country should not include the need to put down another, especially if you have no fucking clue what your talking about.

Example....I love and hate parts of the US and for all the superficial reasons you can guess...hate detroit because I have always heard that if you get caught in the wrong neighbourhood.....love florida because there is endless sun. Of course both of those places have upsides and downsides. It would be laughable if I went on and on about how Florida was the ONLY place to live and everywhere else was "white bread".

Canada has cold winters but its over 95F here these days. Cold winters but amazingly warm hearts....

[susanna]

Originally Posted by mrenaud

That's right.....no way in hell our health care is free, you should see how much the gov't takes off our pay checks.

Ummm when was the last time you had a job ha ha ha there has been no deduction off paychecks for years now...they say that the "employer" pays for it. In Ontario we pay EHT...employers health tax...based on overall payroll. So your not getting paid as much as you "might" be able to but the expense is bore by the employer on your behalf. Not entirely sure about the other provinces.

Of note, a good employment offer always includes a drug/dental plan. Again paid for on behalf of the employee. Usually costs a chunk of change...somewhere around 12000 a year per employee. It beefs up the medical service you get, pays for most of your drugs (otherwise you get generic drugs you can afford to pay for) and pays for dental and eye glasses etc.

[susanna]

Originally Posted by artwilliams

One small point ... Privacy laws in Canada are NOT part of the criminal code per se, though failure to comply with a Federal Court order to change one's privacy procedures could result in criminal charges being laid.

--art

This is right....and me being located in ontario I am bound by PIPEDA which says that an individual must know what their private and personal information would be used for. I am not entirely sure but for years now the girls/guys knew that their information would be shared with webmasters and possibly the government. The real problem is if its shared past that point and it would be problematic for me to prove in a court of law that the model knew that I would have her information but I think it could be done. If I shared her information past myself and the government agencies I would be in shit...Infact there is a clause in PIPEDA that says that you MUST share the private information if by not sharing it you would break a different law...example would be sharing the identity of a child abuser to childrens aid...not sharing it under privacy law would be illegal as all of us are bound by law to report child abuse. The law was not intended to protect those who are doing illegal activity so in that clause, if a police/government agency came to my house they could demand to see my records and PIPEDA could not make me keep them private.

I cannot post the models information either... and...what interests me more is that 2257 wants webmasters to post their own information... as a paysite owner I have no issue posting it but as a cam girl or other such amateur site owner I would.

The idea of our privacy laws is to protect ME the individual...to give me a say in where my personal information is dispursed and the right to refuse dispursing it. So the US government cannot make me post my personal information. Of course they can make all of you stop dealing with me if you are seen as not following the rules if you do.

Now on a technical note... if someone were to have issue with our handling of their records...they are to first complain/ask questions of us (the business in question) then if they are not satisfied with the removal of the records or the rectification (be there any) then they can go to the privacy commission with their complaint. This is so new I am not aware of any complaints that have gotten this far.

One of the more noticable changes has been in the visa slips you get in a restaurant/store etc...they must have ***** where numbers should be. Other then that I have heard of few changes that were driven by complaint...most people who gather personal information (such as your doctor or health care facility) already have HUGE ASS standards to protect confidentiality and so this new law did not cause much problem.

The real reason this law is now in place is because of list sharing...example signing up at your cable company and not knowing that the cable company shares your personal contact information with anyone who wants to buy it (this is meant to reduce all forms of spam on and offline)

[tickler]

Originally Posted by susanna

The idea of our privacy laws is to protect ME the individual...to give me a say in where my personal information is dispursed and the right to refuse dispursing it. So the US government cannot make me post my personal information. Of course they can make all of you stop dealing with me if you are seen as not following the rules if you do.

Now on a technical note... if someone were to have issue with our handling of their records...they are to first complain/ask questions of us (the business in question) then if they are not satisfied with the removal of the records or the rectification (be there any) then they can go to the privacy commission with their complaint. This is so new I am not aware of any complaints that have gotten this far.

One of the more noticable changes has been in the visa slips you get in a restaurant/store etc...they must have ***** where numbers should be. Other then that I have heard of few changes that were driven by complaint...most people who gather personal information (such as your doctor or health care facility) already have HUGE ASS standards to protect confidentiality and so this new law did not cause much problem.

The real reason this law is now in place is because of list sharing...example signing up at your cable company and not knowing that the cable company shares your personal contact information with anyone who wants to buy it (this is meant to reduce all forms of spam on and offline)

PIPEDA is pretty much a standard now for any systems design. So personal information at an employer goes into a personnel file. The employer is not allowed to turn around and share it with an outside company.

Notice also on all the gov't forms they tell you exactly which DBs the info will be stored in.That way the police do not access to the tax records without a court order.

The main test so far has been in BC where personal information was being outsourced to the CDN subsidary of an American company. The court ruled that the only way to handle it was to have the CDN subsidary placed in trust so that the gov't could assume control if the US parent was being forced by the US gov't to diclose information under the Patriot Act or similar. It also allowed for fines up to $35 million, and other penalties. Seems to have become a standard in case law all over the commonwealth.

[Afterdarkcanada]

I just joined found this forum through Google. I have a question about 2257 (not expecting legal advice, so wont sue if you're wrong, lol there it's in writing)

I have a small adult site all the content is from affiliate programs in the form of links and images some of which would fall under this US law. None is "produced" by myself or anyone here. Am wondering since the companies sever I use is located in the States, if I'm considered "not complying with the law" there?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Afterdarkcanada

... Am wondering since the companies sever I use is located in the States, if I'm considered "not complying with the law" there?

Yes (but I'm not a lawyer - LOL)

[chadknowslaw]

I am a lawyer, and the answer is, at least according to the US Department of Justice, Yes.

HOWEVER--

If you and your company are based in Canada, the DOJ does not have the authority to come knocking on your door. In law school legal theory, you are subject to the law. In the real world, the chance that the law would ever be enforced against you is very small.

www.chadknowslaw.com

[Ghost&Lliandrin]

Canada rocks. Its on our short list of countries to move to. If only if was further south. I would like to know the legal implications of this though as it wont be possible to follow one law without breaking another. Anyone have any ideas?

[Stever]

Afterdarkcananda, check your private messages.

[Odie]

I'm glad I live here but yes I do hate the winters! It does make for a nice change tho!