Sales Question

Halfdeck · 2005-07-06, 07:11 PM

Bad ratios are frustrating, although there are too many factors involved for me to ever understand why one sponsor does 1:50 and another one does 0:6000. I usually don't invest much time on a program unless I can get around 1:200 or better.

Anyway, what I try to do personally is presell a paysite as hard as I can. To do this, I actually dig up as much info as I can about the paysite.

For example, for Pussy Pinata, the $2.97 for 1 day trial (although it looks like they'll charge you more per month if you sign up thru trial) and the 11 other sites you get complete access to with just a trial membership would be something I'd heavily stress. Also, the content is apparently exclusive, so I'd use plenty of pics/videos to demonstrate that fact. Finally, since it's a reality site, I might even go into a few of the specific girls that appeared and write a few juicy text about an episode or two.

Basically, the thing I try for when advertising a paysite is 1) establish trust with my visitors 2) tell them exactly what they're going to get out of spending their dough 3) Dispell any fears about being ripped off, infected with viruses, getting email spam, etc.

Then all you have to do is get the right type of traffic to your sites, and you should start seeing more sales.

Just my 2 cents

sue-fl · 2005-07-06, 11:54 PM

Hmm interesting thread. I was wondering about sales also to a sponsor that seemed really bad. Sent them over 1900 clicks last pay period with one sale..

But I take it this mean I heading in the right direction, as I'm sending more hits to them with each pay period. Right??

Halfdeck get info you posted on selling the site thanks!

But here is where I get confused again. Sponosr content? I have asked this many times to people. Guess I'll ask again. How do link list owners feel about sponsor content? I'm turning it down on my link list unless I know you, as that is all I was getting. I buy all my content as I was told by several LL owners to do so. Am I spending money where I don't need to be?

HELP!

tb · 2005-07-08, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sue-fl

But here is where I get confused again. Sponosr content? I have asked this many times to people. Guess I'll ask again. How do link list owners feel about sponsor content? I'm turning it down on my link list unless I know you, as that is all I was getting. I buy all my content as I was told by several LL owners to do so. Am I spending money where I don't need to be?

HELP!

Thanks for the input everyone, your help is always appreciated.

I found it very interesting. what sue-fi said.

It seems strange to me to buy unrelated content to advertise a sponsor.
Kinda like selling steak but delivering hamburger.
Is that what I should be doing?
Right now I only use sponsor content and have had reasonable success at getting listed.

tb · 2005-07-11, 01:37 PM

spookyx · 2005-07-11, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sue-fl

But here is where I get confused again. Sponosr content? I have asked this many times to people. Guess I'll ask again. How do link list owners feel about sponsor content? I'm turning it down on my link list unless I know you, as that is all I was getting. I buy all my content as I was told by several LL owners to do so. Am I spending money where I don't need to be?

HELP!

not all "sponsor content" is the same, many programs, including lotzadollars will allow trusted webmasters access to the main paysites to use content for sites/galleries. so its not content that is seen very often.

MadMax · 2005-07-11, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spookyx

not all "sponsor content" is the same, many programs, including lotzadollars will allow trusted webmasters access to the main paysites to use content for sites/galleries. so its not content that is seen very often.

That's the hurdle you face just starting out. Send enough sales to be a trusted affiliate and a lot of programs will bend over backwards to help you sell them.

madleinx · 2005-07-11, 10:38 PM

Well....I'm still working on my first linklist, and I'm a newbie too, so don't take this as gospel by any stretch

But I've never had a freesite rejected for sponsor content.

I think a lot of it depends on which sponsor. Using content from, say, Bangbros or AllInternal probably wouldn't work, but smaller sponsors that don't have their stuff everywhere seem to be okay.

But Sue, don't look at all the content you purchased as a waste. You'll never have to remove it because BigPornoPimpingCash decided to redirect, or shave you, or close down. All you'd have to do is switch out the links! Those of us using sponsor content would risk getting all our sites deleted, if not getting blacklisted, if we had to pull the site. Really, your own content is a much better alternative as an affiliate, because it puts you in control. If I could afford to buy three tons of it, I would.

tb -- are you sending hits to the full month option or the trial option for that site?

tb · 2005-07-12, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madleinx

tb -- are you sending hits to the full month option or the trial option for that site?

I am sending to the full month option.

Quote:

Originally Posted by madleinx

Those of us using sponsor content would risk getting all our sites deleted, if not getting blacklisted

This is a very good and valid point. However how do you reconcile the fact that you may not be selling what is actually available on the paysite.

I have seen a couple of posts about the bad quality of some pay sites. Imagine shilling for one of those with content from a top private studio.

As an affilate I put in hours of work building and submitting, should I really have to join the paysite to see if the content I had to buy matches theirs?

I feel like sue-fi, confused.....

What I really want is to get a handle on the most winning formula.

Any suggestions are always appreciated.

madleinx · 2005-07-12, 10:52 PM

You might try sending to the trial then - would probably improve your ratio, but of course the payout on that is less. But you'd get rebills (hopefully!) to make up for it.

I don't think there's a concrete answer to the sponsor content question. (I almost always use it though) There are pros and cons to both sides of the argument. A mix of sponsor and purchased content is probably best, which one depending on the site you're promoting. All IMHO, of course

ArtWilliams · 2005-07-14, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madleinx

Well....I'm still working on my first linklist, and I'm a newbie too, so don't take this as gospel by any stretch

But I've never had a freesite rejected for sponsor content.

Likewise here but in my minimal experience I've found that sponsor content is much harder to convert. This is simply because everyone has seen it. If you stick to one niche like I've been then you see the same pics coming up over and over again.

My most successful strategy to date has been to purchase cheap content ($4-8 or so a set) and use that along with a sponsor to promote a site which matches the purchased pics.

---art

sue-fl · 2005-07-14, 01:53 PM

Thanks surfin, toby and ponygirl. That was just the encourgement I needed to hear. I love what I do also so I'm sticking at it!

Another question (sorry) about sponsors this time. Now that my traffic has really gotten good how long do you give a sponsor? I'm mainly using four that I send a lot of hits to. Is there a reasonable amount of time that you hang in their with them? The two I'm pushing this pay period my stats are:
1:1719
0:1999
That is for a two week period ending the 15th. I'm using other sponsors also but have sent most of my traffic to them. Hang in there? Or not a good sign? Thanks for the great help it's much appreciated!!

spookyx · 2005-07-11, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMax

That's the hurdle you face just starting out. Send enough sales to be a trusted affiliate and a lot of programs will bend over backwards to help you sell them.

We don't base it on sales. We talk with the webmaster one on one and go from there.

2005-07-06, 07:11 PM	#1
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	Bad ratios are frustrating, although there are too many factors involved for me to ever understand why one sponsor does 1:50 and another one does 0:6000. I usually don't invest much time on a program unless I can get around 1:200 or better. Anyway, what I try to do personally is presell a paysite as hard as I can. To do this, I actually dig up as much info as I can about the paysite. For example, for Pussy Pinata, the $2.97 for 1 day trial (although it looks like they'll charge you more per month if you sign up thru trial) and the 11 other sites you get complete access to with just a trial membership would be something I'd heavily stress. Also, the content is apparently exclusive, so I'd use plenty of pics/videos to demonstrate that fact. Finally, since it's a reality site, I might even go into a few of the specific girls that appeared and write a few juicy text about an episode or two. Basically, the thing I try for when advertising a paysite is 1) establish trust with my visitors 2) tell them exactly what they're going to get out of spending their dough 3) Dispell any fears about being ripped off, infected with viruses, getting email spam, etc. Then all you have to do is get the right type of traffic to your sites, and you should start seeing more sales. Just my 2 cents __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2005-07-11, 01:37 PM	#4
tb I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 80	sigh

2005-07-11, 10:38 PM	#7
madleinx Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Big Easy, or Disneyland for Grown-Ups Posts: 120	Well....I'm still working on my first linklist, and I'm a newbie too, so don't take this as gospel by any stretch But I've never had a freesite rejected for sponsor content. I think a lot of it depends on which sponsor. Using content from, say, Bangbros or AllInternal probably wouldn't work, but smaller sponsors that don't have their stuff everywhere seem to be okay. But Sue, don't look at all the content you purchased as a waste. You'll never have to remove it because BigPornoPimpingCash decided to redirect, or shave you, or close down. All you'd have to do is switch out the links! Those of us using sponsor content would risk getting all our sites deleted, if not getting blacklisted, if we had to pull the site. Really, your own content is a much better alternative as an affiliate, because it puts you in control. If I could afford to buy three tons of it, I would. tb -- are you sending hits to the full month option or the trial option for that site? __________________ <A HREF="http://apps.ClickCash.com/cgi/cc_refer.exe?acct=JUSTMARIE" target="_top">$40 PPS and up on FREE signups! All niches and tons of promo content!</A>

2005-07-12, 10:52 PM	#9
madleinx Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Big Easy, or Disneyland for Grown-Ups Posts: 120	You might try sending to the trial then - would probably improve your ratio, but of course the payout on that is less. But you'd get rebills (hopefully!) to make up for it. I don't think there's a concrete answer to the sponsor content question. (I almost always use it though) There are pros and cons to both sides of the argument. A mix of sponsor and purchased content is probably best, which one depending on the site you're promoting. All IMHO, of course __________________ <A HREF="http://apps.ClickCash.com/cgi/cc_refer.exe?acct=JUSTMARIE" target="_top">$40 PPS and up on FREE signups! All niches and tons of promo content!</A>

2005-07-06, 11:54 PM	#2
sue-fl You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,837	Hmm interesting thread. I was wondering about sales also to a sponsor that seemed really bad. Sent them over 1900 clicks last pay period with one sale.. But I take it this mean I heading in the right direction, as I'm sending more hits to them with each pay period. Right?? Halfdeck get info you posted on selling the site thanks! But here is where I get confused again. Sponosr content? I have asked this many times to people. Guess I'll ask again. How do link list owners feel about sponsor content? I'm turning it down on my link list unless I know you, as that is all I was getting. I buy all my content as I was told by several LL owners to do so. Am I spending money where I don't need to be? HELP!

2005-07-14, 01:53 PM	#11
sue-fl You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,837	Thanks surfin, toby and ponygirl. That was just the encourgement I needed to hear. I love what I do also so I'm sticking at it! Another question (sorry) about sponsors this time. Now that my traffic has really gotten good how long do you give a sponsor? I'm mainly using four that I send a lot of hits to. Is there a reasonable amount of time that you hang in their with them? The two I'm pushing this pay period my stats are: 1:1719 0:1999 That is for a two week period ending the 15th. I'm using other sponsors also but have sent most of my traffic to them. Hang in there? Or not a good sign? Thanks for the great help it's much appreciated!!