How long does it take Google to react to a spam report?

[Bill]

Did you already file a spamreport UW?

What information did you put in the report?

It kinda makes for an interesting test case - how does google react when a smaller, newer site gets copied for spam?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Bill

Did you already file a spamreport UW?

What information did you put in the report?

It kinda makes for an interesting test case - how does google react when a smaller, newer site gets copied for spam?

Yes, twice. The first time was when I was only aware of my own domain being affected. I jumped the gun on that due to my now legendary over-reaction and demand for immediate response. I submitted a second report when Swedguy made we aware of the bigger picture. I gave them the little information that I had about all the keyword spamming of others' domain names and redirecting to emmasreviews.com and that the whois for adultactioncam.biz matches that of emmasreviews.com

[Bill]

Well, the fastest and most powerful tool to use in this case is definitely a DMCA complaint against his host.

Dave, Linkster, what is the best way to do a DMCA counterattack on this guys host? Is there a place that has a form letter that can be copied, modified, and used?

I'm sure that would be a more effective strategy than the google spamreport.

But, even if the host is taken down, they could move the pages to another host, and their listings in google won't magically dissappear on their own.

It will be interesting to see wether google will react to the spamreport.

[Linkster]

Well, the fastest and most powerful tool to use in this case is definitely a DMCA complaint against his host.

This isnt necessarily true - it usually is best to send the DMCA to his host, Google and his domain registrar (I believe its Directnic in this case - however the one to Google will normally take about a month to kick in if they accept it - remember that these people will only act on a DMCA if you can show copied material from your web pages

Is there a place that has a form letter that can be copied, modified, and used?

You are welcome to use this format:
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca5...?NoticeID=1501 - the Google page that tells what must be in the report is here: http://www.google.com/dmca.html

I'm sure that would be a more effective strategy than the google spamreport.

I dont agree in this case - I think a spamreport with lots of info would be the best

It will be interesting to see wether google will react to the spamreport

I believe they would if you show Google the number of doorway pages they have genereated, the use of the cloaked pages for Googles bot, and the misdirection of the surfers to a different page based on the keywords

[Bill]

C'mon, Linkster, aren't you splitting hairs here? Even you acknowledge that it would probably take google a month to respond to a DMCA complaint.

I didn't mention that caveat that some hosting is "bullet proof" - perhaps I should have, but I pretty much take it as a given that everyone knows some hosts outside the US, that welcome bulkers and spammers, laugh at the DMCA.

I've not heard of a case where the registrar actually killed a domain based on a single DMCA complaint from an ordinary webmaster. Have you?

As far as the spamreport getting google to quickly act to remove the pages from the database - maybe so - but I haven't seen it, and I have no basis to believe that it would happen quickly. I would expect it to take weeks if it did work.

UW, when did you first report these asswipes? We can start the clock and see how long it takes for google to remove the pages.

BTW, UW, can you tell us where these pages are, so we can watch them?

I still think a DMCA against the host is the fastest way to take pages like these down. (It won't remove them from google, but at least the shitstains don't get to profit from the stolen copy.)

Originally Posted by Linkster

This isnt necessarily true - it usually is best to send the DMCA to his host, Google and his domain registrar (I believe its Directnic in this case - however the one to Google will normally take about a month to kick in if they accept it - remember that these people will only act on a DMCA if you can show copied material from your web pages
....
I dont agree in this case - I think a spamreport with lots of info would be the best

I believe they would if you show Google the number of doorway pages they have genereated, the use of the cloaked pages for Googles bot, and the misdirection of the surfers to a different page based on the keywords

[Bill]

Linkster, would you use this as a sample case to explain how a good, effective spamreport should be filed?

Exactly what should be entered, in which parts of the spamreport form?

http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by Bill

Linkster, would you use this as a sample case to explain how a good, effective spamreport should be filed?

Exactly what should be entered, in which parts of the spamreport form?

Bill I guess what I was trying to convey is that it is doubtful that Google (of any of the other people) would act on a DMCA complaint as he wasnt copying anything - so no real copyright issue which is all the DMCA covers - and Google has gotten very picky about what they will remove with DMCA lately.
It is a trademark issue but in that case only the mark holder can file the complaints
Now to the real issue - yeah its spam - and unless you learn how to use that doorway software it puts in all kinds of results that you really dont want in there - its the same thing that got Robert in a little bit of trouble a while back.
If the pages are down Google wont really take any action on a spam report - they will allow the pages to fall out naturally - however - I would just show where his pages show up in the SERPS in a spam report and then put in the site: command search that shows all of the doorway pages - they may go ahead and nuke them but like I said - they may not

[Cibi]

Originally Posted by Bill

C'mon, Linkster, aren't you splitting hairs here? Even you acknowledge that it would probably take google a month to respond to a DMCA complaint.

I didn't mention that caveat that some hosting is "bullet proof" - perhaps I should have, but I pretty much take it as a given that everyone knows some hosts outside the US, that welcome bulkers and spammers, laugh at the DMCA.

I've not heard of a case where the registrar actually killed a domain based on a single DMCA complaint from an ordinary webmaster. Have you?

As far as the spamreport getting google to quickly act to remove the pages from the database - maybe so - but I haven't seen it, and I have no basis to believe that it would happen quickly. I would expect it to take weeks if it did work.

UW, when did you first report these asswipes? We can start the clock and see how long it takes for google to remove the pages.

BTW, UW, can you tell us where these pages are, so we can watch them?

I still think a DMCA against the host is the fastest way to take pages like these down. (It won't remove them from google, but at least the shitstains don't get to profit from the stolen copy.)

FYI: pages were deleted

[Bill]

I know they were deleted Cibi. I'm actually more interested in this as a test case, a classic example, than as your specific copy theft.

Altho I'd like to hear about your reasoning on this whole thing? Why did you take the pages down, for instance?

Why did you put the pages up? And how did you do it? Who showed you how to do it?

[T Pat]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Yes, twice. The first time was when I was only aware of my own domain being affected. I jumped the gun on that due to my now legendary over-reaction and demand for immediate response. I submitted a second report when Swedguy made we aware of the bigger picture. I gave them the little information that I had about all the keyword spamming of others' domain names and redirecting to emmasreviews.com and that the whois for adultactioncam.biz matches that of emmasreviews.com

I feel your wrath Useless, I've got a Cock Sucker that took some of my positions away becouse he has four of my sites on his autogenerated crap. I traced him down and found out he's only an hour away and one of these self proclaimed Gurus thats teaching people how to doit.
My first instinct was to visit him with a baseball bat, revenge is best served cold, from a internet cafe in another country with free hosting.
I got this a couple days ago in a mainstream newsletter

Occasionally I put my name in a search with quotes around it to see what pops up i.e.
programs I am working. Recently, two p^or^n sites showed up in one of these
searches. I notified Google who asked for a screen shot of the page. I sent it and they
were very nice about it and took the two sites off the search. They also told me to let
them know if I was ever dissatisfied with a search result in the future. Now, that is
getting it done.
Note: to do a screen shot
1) go to the page, not the p^or^n site but the search result page
2) hit the Print Screen button top right on keyboard (nothing will show on your
screen)
3) go to your word processor and open a blank document (new)
4) right click on your mouse and paste
You now have a screen shot of the problem which you can forward to the search
engine folks.
Hope that helps a little for someone.

I had never thought to look up, what a shocker and I realy hope my wife never thinks to do it