starting a paysite but need a few pointers

[furrygirl]

Toby: I'm not saying that the two aren't different beasts, but I disagree with the idea that being your own model is the cheap and easy way of starting a paysite. As for quality bought content, I'm not sure how much that runs per set, but I do know how much my outfits/props alone have cost, and I'd imagine they're more than comparable. (Ever been to a lingerie shop or seen the prices on quality toys?) Besides tangible costs, there's a whole additional world of work and hassle that comes with being your own content (from pedicures to tit jobs to potential stalkers to babysitters). From this side, the grass sure does look greener if you can just go shopping for the exact pics you want on a content provider's site.

Nooze: the reason I would recommend CCBill over a merchant account is because a lot of webmasters prefer CCBill affiliate programs. There seems to be less worry about shaving, getting checks on time, and having enough sales to get a check.

edit: Before you decide what kind of PPS payout you'd want to have, you should operate the site for a while and see what your retention is like. (Unless you have a nice investment to pay affiliates from the get-go and want to take the risk, of course.)

[Toby]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Toby: I'm not saying that the two aren't different beasts, but I disagree with the idea that being your own model is the cheap and easy way of starting a paysite. As for quality bought content, I'm not sure how much that runs per set, but I do know how much my outfits/props alone have cost, and I'd imagine they're more than comparable. (Ever been to a lingerie shop or seen the prices on quality toys?) Besides tangible costs, there's a whole additional world of work and hassle that comes with being your own content (from pedicures to tit jobs to potential stalkers to babysitters). From this side, the grass sure does look greener if you can just go shopping for the exact pics you want on a content provider's site.

Yes, I've been inside a few lingerie and adult toy shops, particularly during the 18 years I was married. I agree that those things aren't cheap if you want stuff that will last.

The cost comparison would depend on whether you were buying non-exclusive or exclusive content, and on just how specialized the niche. I think the cost of purchasing exclusive content is probably about a wash with the wardrobe, toys, props, etc. that you noted. Exclusive content is really a fairer comparison to the content you do yourself.

I don't think we're really all that far from being on the same page, just slightly different perspectives.

I'll toss you another curve, just cuz I think you can probably hit it. I make a comfortable living with no pay sites and I purchase almost no content. Other than my hosting, my expenses are minimal. That begs the question, why build a pay site to begin with?

[LindaMight]

I run my own paysite along with George. We have the toys, model the clothes, go to hotels, have four digital cameras, one digital video camera, pay for hosting, pay for the toys and clothes, etc. I don't count the nails since I would do that anyway. I didn't pay for a boob job...but I do wear wigs and have paid for a few of them. We also have had many toys sent to us by manufacturers who want to see it on our site. And I think we are doing wonderful even after paying CCbill their percentage. We are the roadies, the models and the webmasters, pretty much in that order. With all the stuff that is going on about model ID's, etc., I would not want to buy anything from anybody. Just my opinion....and I agree...
CCBill and Strongbox...in that order.
Cheers! Linda

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by Toby

I'll toss you another curve, just cuz I think you can probably hit it. I make a comfortable living with no pay sites and I purchase almost no content. Other than my hosting, my expenses are minimal. That begs the question, why build a pay site to begin with?

My focus is not free sites and galleries, but from where I'm sitting, the prosperous and exceptional free site is a rare thing. (Those I like are infused with personality and quality content, which are the same traits I like in a good paysite.)

This might be the easy answer, but if you can truly make free sites work for you, then good on ya. Personally, though, I still prefer the control over your own income you get with a paysite. A sponsor could go belly-up or shave your income or refuse to give you model documentation you need, so I suppose the best bet there is to diversify yourself and don't put all your eggs in one basket. (Again, samething can be applied to paysites.)

[noooze]

i'm not starting a paysite to begin with

i have 2 freesites that gives me x k a month and some tgp that allso brings in .. lets just say alot of cash

this is the next step for me and have been planning for over a year... now i finally found the ideal partner so now we are active working on it.

why send 100.000 's of clicktrhoughs to someone elses program when i can send it to myself