enough with the 2257 scares!

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

So what doyou see as the alternative. give a models ID to anyone who asks for it?

This is the problem with verifying the content is legal. On one hand safety of the affiliates on the other the safety of the model and the future of the business.

Fewer models will work if they see their IDs going to 1,000s of affiliates.

Thank you!

Believe it or not, models can be quite intelligent folk who do network with each other on things like this. I look forward to the day that models start suing sites for giving away their personal information alongside free content. If the "be-a good-person" responsibility of safeguarding a model's personal information isn't enough of a motivator for some, then maybe the risk of civil suits and losing money will be.

For a gallery submitter, the 2257 scare means paperwork hassles. For a model, it could mean her safety or even her life. I'm not being melodramatic: models are stalked and harassed, online and in person, and it only gets more dangerous when you have sites so shit-scared of jail time that they will risk a model's life to avoid losing affiliates. That, unfortunately, is the very definition of the "evil money-grubbing pornographer" stereotype that so many of us try to break free of. And the way I see it, this is the exact kind of panicky-ass behavior that the 2257 laws were meant to inspire in us.

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Thank you!

Believe it or not, models can be quite intelligent folk who do network with each other on things like this. I look forward to the day that models start suing sites for giving away their personal information alongside free content. If the "be-a good-person" responsibility of safeguarding a model's personal information isn't enough of a motivator for some, then maybe the risk of civil suits and losing money will be.

For a gallery submitter, the 2257 scare means paperwork hassles. For a model, it could mean her safety or even her life. I'm not being melodramatic: models are stalked and harassed, online and in person, and it only gets more dangerous when you have sites so shit-scared of jail time that they will risk a model's life to avoid losing affiliates. That, unfortunately, is the very definition of the "evil money-grubbing pornographer" stereotype that so many of us try to break free of. And the way I see it, this is the exact kind of panicky-ass behavior that the 2257 laws were meant to inspire in us.

Yes models network all thetime, they meet on castings, jobs and in agents offices. How long before one of them realises the cash cow in suing companies for giving out their IDs is the question. Or maybe some cute agent might hit on it.

A lawyer will just be doing an Acacia, pay up or go to court.

[spookyx]

At lotzadollars we don't base it on sales, we base it on the webmaster, we talk with them 1 on 1 before we decide to give out any model info. We also would never give out info on a model without her permission.

We also would not give out model info on purchased content unless we had permission to do so. I know this makes it hard on some webmasters but protecting the model is our #1 priority.

[spookyx]

furrygirl you have a pm

[jsand199]

Well the hard part them becomes how can people like myself, who are new to the biz and working on building sites, even get the legal info required to put up pics?

There has to be some middle ground.

[Linkster]

Easy response - when starting out in the biz there will be a small amount of investment - actually a heck of a lot less than most business's cost to start in. An example would be the content - at $5 or so for a set of pics that is one of the costs, like hosting, etc that is required to get started in the biz. For a small amount of time there have been sponsors that have provided free content - but that was never really an acceptable way of starting out - most LL owners would accept the content in free sites and TGP owners had seen it a "few" more times than the Link Lists. If you are serious about getting started, the small investment in your biz will pay off way more with your own bought content.

[jsand199]

I think I misunderstood.

I bought a few sets of pics. I thought the problem was people where afraid that everyone who bought pics had the ID info. That alone is a bit scary.

But there should be no way that anyone with free pics should get that info.

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Easy response - when starting out in the biz there will be a small amount of investment - actually a heck of a lot less than most business's cost to start in. An example would be the content - at $5 or so for a set of pics that is one of the costs, like hosting, etc that is required to get started in the biz. For a small amount of time there have been sponsors that have provided free content - but that was never really an acceptable way of starting out - most LL owners would accept the content in free sites and TGP owners had seen it a "few" more times than the Link Lists. If you are serious about getting started, the small investment in your biz will pay off way more with your own bought content.

I agree. I have seen so many posts on boards in my three years from newbies that decry the "unfairness" of something, (paying for content, hosting, software, billing, etc.), but what my cynical ears are hearing is, "It's not fair! I shouldn't have to invest money in opening a business, everything should be free since I'm just starting out!"

Not trying to pick on you, jsand199, it's just a general observation and pet peeve of mine. Compare the costs of buying even a hundred sets of exclusive content to the price of opening a traditional brick-and-mortar business, and the adult web starts looking a lot friendlier.