Anybody remember this thread?

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by susanna

When I say gg and jim sold out for money, I also mean those of you out there marketing that site are also throwing ethics aside for money.

It always amazes me when people use the words "ethics" since it means so many different things. Is promoting a Couples Sex site where most of the models are NOT couples and they'll fuck any one for money ethical?

Does the same statement apply to you site as well?

Keep in mind I will not promote Rage Cash in any way but I see no reason to judge others for doing so. Aren't we all living in glass houses?

[susanna]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

It always amazes me when people use the words "ethics" since it means so many different things. Is promoting a Couples Sex site where most of the models are NOT couples and they'll fuck any one for money ethical?

Does the same statement apply to you site as well?

Keep in mind I will not promote Rage Cash in any way but I see no reason to judge others for doing so. Aren't we all living in glass houses?

The reason to judge others for doing so is that its illegal. Do you promote rape sites? do you promote cp sites? all the same thing.

Is there any proof that the couples on my couples sex site are not couples? how do you know by looking at them that they are not? With regard to turning that statement around to the sleeping rape site, can you say the same thing?

My couples sex site is not hurting the industry anymore then the fake lesbian sites or the huge insertion or anal fuck sites....all done for money to apease someone elses kink. I draw the line at appeasing rapists kink.

Its against the law for good reason.


Whats next? reality porn that says its a great kink to fuck unsuspecting mentally retared people? There is a line, there has to be a line and its drawn BEFORE RAPE AND BEFORE CHILDREN OR INFIRM ADULTS. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

I am Canadian...the land of not judging anyone of anything but Canadians are not stupid...

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by susanna

I am Canadian...the land of not judging anyone of anything but Canadians are not stupid...

Both the sites would be considered illegal in Canada. The Sleep Assault would get the most attention because of the implied violence. -- art

[Useless]

Fuck it - I didn't want to engage in this discussion because I see it going exactly no where. There are those who view Sleep Assault as fantasy, those who don't like it, but aren't going to lose sleep over it, and those who are going start mini-crusades over it. Not a single cocksucker reading any post of this thread is going change their mind. This thread is ass-fodder.

Read the first thread attached to the very first post of this thread and you'll see my feelings about rape and it's promotion through porn. Even the dumbest fuck out there will know that I will not promote any site that I feel is rape-related or insinuates rape. Hence - for those of you who need it spelled out - I will not promote (or link to) the site in question. Does this mean that I will abandon Rage Cash's complete portfolio? Hell no. If you feel that by promoting any of their sites, I'm promoting rape by default, well...fuck you. That's my opinion. Fuck you and fuck your mother and fuck your mother's mother AND your mother's father too.

Let me toss this sticky load in your freshly washed faces. Most teens cannot legally consent to sex. Thusly, we (the U.S.) have laws in place to protect teens from their own horrible libidos. I feel pretty strongly about the presence of certain teen content in this industry. I hate seeing teens in braces and teens holding teddy bears and typically won't accept galleries or sites which contain such content. I also don't accept the word 'young' used on a teen site. Why? Because a young teen is not a legal teen. I understand the fantasy, but don't wish to feed it. Does that mean that I've abandoned all sponsors who promote teens with braces? Fuck no.

Look at the laws those wacky-ass Canadians have created to protect those filthy BDSM kinksters from fucking each other while bound. Canandians cannot legally use content where anything is inserted into a bound person. It is viewed as non-concentual. The bound gimp could be screaming "Fuck my hairy ass you evil bitch", but in Canada it's illegal to fuck his hairy ass with your freshly lubed strap-on because he's bound. Does this mean that Canadian webmasters don't promote BDSM sites at all? No. They simply use content that doesn't have insertion. But wait - the paysite they're promoting most definately contains other pics and videos which would be deemed illegal in their hockey playing country. Hmmm...what could they be thinking? They're thinking about getting paid, just like the rest of filthy fucking no-good porn peddlers.

What am I attempting to convey through my nearly meaningless ramblings? I don't know. I lost track when I got the ugly vision of a bound dude getting banged from behind with a 12 inch rubber cock.

Anyway, discuss this all you want since some of you really like the sound of your own voice, or at least the appearance of your own words. Just be smart about who you are calling unethical sell-outs. Maybe a few of you could get together and pay the board's expenses so that advertising wouldn't be a necessity.

[deleuze]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Anyway, discuss this all you want since some of you really like the sound of your own voice, or at least the appearance of your own words.

You're talking to yourself again. Since you became a mod you've gone from a useless warrior to a useless lemming. Again this has nothing to do with ethics or personal tastes; it has to do with the way link list owners treat "outsiders." Will an advertiser and "friend of the family" be welcomed differently than a nobody? Did GG threaten to call the Florida State Troopers to report RageCash for running a rape site when he saw their portfolio? Did Jim say, sure you can advertise here but "You are truly the type of person that gives this business a bad name"? And finally we have the useless lemming who seems to have switched sides. For now he is asking for board members' silence and complacence when not too long ago it was the person with the "disgusting" content who was told to get lost; "But if you insist on attempting to defend your indefensble content, this could go on forever. You've nothing to gain here . . . if you want this discussion to go away, then you must go away." So it seems like the solution is for RageCash to disappear . . . but oh the advertising money . . . but that's not the issue . . . it's something deeper . . . have linklist owners proven to be commoners? . . . have they fallen off their high horse?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by deleuze

You're talking to yourself again. Since you became a mod you've gone from a useless warrior to a useless lemming.

Wrong again dipshit. I've always been this useless and I have considered GG&Jim as friends long before being given the massive power of resetting sigs.

If you'd like to come after me, attack my opinions and statements instead of staying on issue - bring it on cocksucker. My dick is big enough to stretch even something as gaping as your asshole. |blowkiss|

[Jan Barnes]

Useless Warrior,

Agreed. If a man can have sex with his girlfriend without her waking up, either he is very poorly equipped or lacking in some very basic skills. Alternatively, he might want to check his girlfriend for a pulse.

However, back to the main issue. If a sexual activity is done on a purely voluntary basis between adult individuals, I do not care if the fetish involves baloons, shoes, or sleeping people. However, it is only natural to object to any reference to assualt, rape, or other illegal activities.

There have been similar debates in the past with regard to teen sites, and I remember that Flashcash changed the name of one of their sites to remove a contentious reference from the title (apparently, this board does not even allow me to type this word, but the title of Nabokov's famous book may give you a good hint).

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by deleuze

...Did GG threaten to call the Florida State Troopers to report RageCash for running a rape site when he saw their portfolio?...

I think there is a HUGE difference between the Sleep Assault site & a site that promoted drugging a girl & then molesting her. And yes, I did post about calling his local police about his portfolio of sites, some of which included some wonderful CP domains. I never did follow up on that threat, but I did report a couple of his CP sites to ASACP

[deleuze]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I think there is a HUGE difference between the Sleep Assault site & a site that promoted drugging a girl & then molesting her.

I just don't see it. If one can rape a girl without drugging her then there would be no need for drugs. The intent and result are the same.

"Alexa has been up for hours studying for some tests she will be taking in college, up for almost 36 hours straight Alexa ends up falling asleep. When she does her roomate comes in and does what he has always wanted to do to Anabelle"

"Amaera is out when this clown jumps through her bedroom window and really has his way with her"

"Tuesday wanted to catch a quick work out after talking on the phone, she's a little tired from her workout and ends up falling asleep. Than our joker enters the room, he goes through some of Tuesday's stuff than realizes he might be able to tough her without her knowing, when he realizes she is in a deep sleep he dicides to go for broke and screw her. Excellent fucking on unsuspecting Tuesday"

[Lemmy]

A fantasy is a fantasy is a fantasy. Comparing the site in question to rape sites and cp sites is way over the line IMO. The site doesn't condone or promote non-consensual sex, but a fantasy, and according to the experts it's a fantasy that's fairly common.

From http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/chap10/chap10r.htm

It comes as a surprise to some people that rape fantasies occur to about 24% of men and 36% of women (Knox, 1984, p. 283). Over 10% of women report that being forced to have sex is their favorite sexual fantasy (Doskoch, 1995). Remember, fantasies are not wishes! The rape fantasies of women may reflect a desire, not to be hurt, but to be attractive, to be passive, and to avoid the responsible for the sexual act.

Any healthy individual understands the difference between fantasy and reality, and while there are many fantasies that I personally find distaseful I'm not about to start policing peoples' thoughts. Suffice it to say that there are many - many - sites out there that I find far more objectionable than the site in question and I will make my choices on whom to promote based on my personal feelings in any given case.

On a final note; just because someone's ethics differs from yours, it doesn't mean they're unethical.

[Jan Barnes]

Lemmy,

I agree with some of what you are saying. However, I feel that a poor name was picked for the site.

By default, an assault involves physical contact with another person without their consent. Therefore, rape and assault are often used interchangeably.

I believe the sponsor should rethink the naming of the site and remove the reference to assault. By changing the name, the site could keep its focus on people who enjoy having sex while sleeping.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Jan Barnes

Lemmy,

I agree with some of what you are saying. However, I feel that a poor name was picked for the site.

By default, an assault involves physical contact with another person without their consent. Therefore, rape and assault are often used interchangeably.

In my private conversations with various unnamed webmasters, that was my point exactly. Very, very, very, very bad name. Drop the assaut and you have something very different.

I'm not sure how you could actually get your cock into a sleeping person, since my wife wakes up and pushes me away if just rub her ass when she's trying to sleep. That doesn't keep me from pestering her of course.

On the other hand, I've been with women who may as well have been asleep during the act because I could get more reaction from a blow-up doll with a slow leak. I always assumed it was just me.

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Jan Barnes

Lemmy,

I agree with some of what you are saying. However, I feel that a poor name was picked for the site.

By default, an assault involves physical contact with another person without their consent. Therefore, rape and assault are often used interchangeably.

I believe the sponsor should rethink the naming of the site and remove the reference to assault. By changing the name, the site could keep its focus on people who enjoy having sex while sleeping.

I agree. The name gives associations that the content of the site doesn't.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by susanna

The reason to judge others for doing so is that its illegal. Do you promote rape sites? do you promote cp sites? all the same thing.

Is there any proof that the couples on my couples sex site are not couples? how do you know by looking at them that they are not? With regard to turning that statement around to the sleeping rape site, can you say the same thing?

My couples sex site is not hurting the industry anymore then the fake lesbian sites or the huge insertion or anal fuck sites....all done for money to apease someone elses kink. I draw the line at appeasing rapists kink.

Its against the law for good reason.


Whats next? reality porn that says its a great kink to fuck unsuspecting mentally retared people? There is a line, there has to be a line and its drawn BEFORE RAPE AND BEFORE CHILDREN OR INFIRM ADULTS. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

I am Canadian...the land of not judging anyone of anything but Canadians are not stupid...

I noticed that you refused to answer the question about your own ethics. It's not very comfortable is it?

"Is promoting a Couples Sex site where most of the models are NOT couples and they'll fuck any one for money ethical?"

I'm continuing this discussion because I find it fascinating how people justify putting thier own values on others. I find myself sitting here wondering about Hilary Swank and everyone that was involved with the movie "Boys Don't Cry". I won't watch the thing because it's not my taste in movies but I don't think poorly of the people that did see it or created it. I'm thinking about your opinions on that movie.

BTW - I'm a professional. I own some of the same content that you do and I know some of the models that performed in it.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

...I'm continuing this discussion because I find it fascinating how people justify putting thier own values on others....

Two words: Republican Cocksuckers