Katrina aftermath - what the fuck???

Tubey · 2005-09-01, 08:49 PM

I recently started on a quest to help, My goal was to create a list of shelters and possibley the names of people within to help locate family members separated and sheltered in different locations. I called alot of people today and this was the result....

-----Original Message-----
From: Specenl1@aol.com [mailto:Specenl1@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:10 PM
To:
Subject: Making of website list from Terry

Hello,

I am trying to make a list of people located in shelters so other family members can locate loved ones during the disaster. I do some web work and purchased the domain shelterlist.com to try to accomplish this task. The domain will not be active for a few more hours and so far I have contacted the coast guard, fema, and have tried to contact the redcross to get some sort of list started. At this time fema has no such list, nor does the coast guard, I am hoping the redcross may have some information that would start this process.
I can be contacted through this e-mail address
Thanks for any input you can give,
Terry

Terry,
The American Red Cross does not post the names of individuals located in shelters due to confidentiality reasons.
Take care.
American Red Cross of Central Florida

I still have some people trying to figure out a way to get the info about the shelters but it seems this may be very difficult at this point.
ANY IDEAS???
Terry

docholly · 2005-09-01, 09:05 PM

Moveon.org has a website called Hurricane Housing which lists shelters, organizations and families that are offering short and long term shelter. Even tho we are in vegas we added ours as we have a spare room and who knows.. at least vegas has jobs.

Also Craigslist.org is posting information for NOLA and surrounding areas about housing, food, jobs etc and i think they were starting a "here is where I am" list.. for those who are looking kind of like what they did after 9-11.

Tubey · 2005-09-05, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubey

I recently started on a quest to help, My goal was to create a list of shelters and possibley the names of people within to help locate family members separated and sheltered in different locations. I called alot of people today and this was the result....

-----Original Message-----
From: Specenl1@aol.com [mailto:Specenl1@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:10 PM
To:
Subject: Making of website list from Terry

Hello,

I am trying to make a list of people located in shelters so other family members can locate loved ones during the disaster. I do some web work and purchased the domain shelterlist.com to try to accomplish this task. The domain will not be active for a few more hours and so far I have contacted the coast guard, fema, and have tried to contact the redcross to get some sort of list started. At this time fema has no such list, nor does the coast guard, I am hoping the redcross may have some information that would start this process.
I can be contacted through this e-mail address
Thanks for any input you can give,
Terry

Terry,
The American Red Cross does not post the names of individuals located in shelters due to confidentiality reasons.
Take care.
American Red Cross of Central Florida

I still have some people trying to figure out a way to get the info about the shelters but it seems this may be very difficult at this point.
ANY IDEAS???
Terry

Guess What? I guess they do..... and they totally took the Idea and ran with it.
Don't get me wrong the red cross is and has done many wonderfull things around the world....but a little credit for the idea would be nice.......

Linkster · 2005-09-05, 07:34 AM

Capt Sparrow - as you know I echo everything you are saying 10 times over - we all know down here what is really going on and all I can say is that if people want to watch the news I sure hope they understand they are getting "tainted reporting"

Im really glad to hear that you guys are ok and S Spiff and the others are doing good - sounds like things are about the same down there as they are here other than the real estate boom

I can get some deisel for the truck so if you need anything carted down let me know - if anyone needs a place to get away from the hub-bub for a few days Ive got plenty of room here - or if you have a trailer or boat you need storage for - plenty of parking area

Lemmy · 2005-09-05, 08:40 AM

Well I don't live in Louisiana or anywhere near the South, so I don't know what's really going on. I can't insert myself into the minds of thousands of victims to see why they didn't evacuate and pass moral judgement on their need for help.

But I can pass moral judgement on the quality of a society. I do so in part by seeing how it responds to those in need wether or not they 'deserve' it.

CaptainJSparrow · 2005-09-05, 10:20 AM

Thanks Linkster. We're good here though. Glad to hear that you're OK too.

Lemmy. I realize that it is easy to form an opinion, and pass judgement, on things. The hard part is to realize that some of the information that you're using to form that opinion is tainted (as Linkster said) by the media.

In this instance, I read the posts and thought that some folks had the wrong opinion (based on what I've seen first hand and on what my friends have seen and we've discussed).

I know of a man that was delivering water and ice to help, and his truck with all the supplies was carjacked at gunpoint by the very same people that he was trying to help.

Folks have volunteered to go down there in their own boats to rescue these poor folks that you're talking about, and these same poor folks are shooting at their rescuers, and even taking the boats themselves.

Military helicopters are being shot at as they try to rescue people.

You know, when "we" clear out land and there are wild animals living on that land we re-locate them. The people that go in, have to take the proper precautions and wear protective clothing, etc. to protect themselves from the animals that they're trying to help. Even though it's in the animals best interest that they be relocated, they still bite the hand that's trying to save them.

Well, unfortunately, in New Orleans, a similar thing is going on. The military, the police, and the volunteers jobs are being slowed down by the folks that they are trying to rescue. There are alot of people in New Orleans that don't want to be rescued/re-located. They would rather stay and have their way (ie loot) with as many stores as they can. But once these folks get caught somewhere because of rising water, they're on TV waving flags and nice folks are saying "It's the President's fault that those poor folks are still in New Orleans." Now of course, that is not an accurate description of every person waving a flag...but I'd guess that everything that I've typed in these posts describes well over 95% of those folks that you're seeing on TV. Yesterday, as I was driving around an area that was just a block or two from the Lake, an area that had flooded, I saw a man sitting in the median on a lawn chair getting some sun and watching everything going on around him. There was no way that he has any sort of power where he was. I'm doubting that he had running water...if it ran it was certainly not drinkable. There were cars and trucks driving all around this man. If he wanted to get out, he could've flagged one of us down and someone would have taken him to safety. Instead, he sat there watching the ducks and the traffic and the storm damage. Now, should the President come on down and forceably remove this guy? He doesn't want to go. What if it rains here tomorrow, the levee breaks where he is, and he's on his roof waving a flag? The media helicopters will be flying over him (not offering assistance) and broadcasting his image all over the world and who will folks blame for this poor guy's predicament?

Most people around here know that the contra flow worked. The mandatory evactuation, in the order that they did it, worked. Most people around here know that those folks that are dead or stranded did it to themselves. We feel sorry for them, to an extent. Alot of folks around here also feel that these people are keeping the authorities from focusing on repairing the damage.

Lemmy, that is just how it really is down here in Louisiana.

Lemmy · 2005-09-05, 10:43 AM

So now you're comparing the victims to wild animals?

Why don't we just file this whole thing under "Shit Happens" and move on with our lives. I'll call the Red Cross and ask for a refund on my donation. After all this didn't happen in Connecticut so why should I give a shit?

No disrespect CaptainJSparrow, but your analogies seem a bit off.

Agreed, opinions are easy to form and as we know everybody has one. I also realize that media thrives on shit, but you just can't explain away the past week's coverage from every major news outlet in the world.

Best of luck to everyone in the affected areas!

CaptainJSparrow · 2005-09-05, 11:00 AM

Lemmy, there's an old saying "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has an orange bill..."

You keep calling them victims. If someone brings something upon himself or herself, can you still call them a victim? You also throw blame around like a blanket...but you're missing a large part of the target. That is the actual "victims" themselves.

Let me tell you, it is not the President's fault that these folks are in this predicament. It's not the fault of our governor. It's not the fault of the state police, or any of the local authorities. It is their fault. They were warned to get out. They were given a means to get to safety (yes shelters were provided ... no one was turned away) and they refused.

Now you, in Conneticut I believe, are gonna sit there and say that it is someone else's fault for their predicament? C'mon.

Hell, the man that I saw yesterday is still in harms way. Should we send a police unit over there to put him in cuffs and take him to Baton Rouge and set him free? Those police units are kinda busy guarding downed power lines that are sparking so that no one get's themselves electrecuted. Those police units are busy trying to stop those "victims" from killing their rescuers and from stealing electrical appliances (and putting themselves in harms way while they're doing it). Hell, when do we stop protecting these victims from themselves and use our resources to get on with the process of getting this city inhabitable so that all of those displaced folks can get back home. Right now, today, the police are gonna be real busy letting in the citizens so that they can go assess the damage to their homes, and get what they can salvage out. The authorities are needed to keep the order for that. Why should they have to divide their resources to go protect these victims from themselves.

Nuff said.

Halfdeck · 2005-09-05, 11:02 AM

From seeing 20 people watch the same event and tell you 20 different opinions on what they saw, saying "this is how it really is" is as accurate as any media coverage out there. "This is how I and my friends see it down in Louisiana" is more like it.

People blaming George Bush for this is just unfounded, and the media coverage may be over dramatized for the sake of ratings, but you know what? I'm glad the media is comparing this to 9/11, the tsunami disaster and whatever else. If that type of inaccurate coverage keep people in line and speed things up and save a few extra lives, I'm all for it.

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Most people around here know that those folks that are dead or stranded did it to themselves. We feel sorry for them, to an extent. Alot of folks around here also feel that these people are keeping the authorities from focusing on repairing the damage.

Honestly, my intial reaction after the hurricane hit FLA was this: "Dying in a hurricane has got to be the dumbest way to die."

But WTF, what is more important, saving lives or repairing the damage?

Blaming the victims only slows down the rescue effort. And frankly, blaming people for not leaving is as unproductive as blaming George Bush for changes in the weather.

We can blame whoever later but right now, I don't care if people are shooting at choppers and flipping over rescue boats. There are people dying/suffering out there and that has got to stop.

2005-09-01, 09:05 PM	#2
docholly Nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sin-City USA Posts: 4,973	Moveon.org has a website called Hurricane Housing which lists shelters, organizations and families that are offering short and long term shelter. Even tho we are in vegas we added ours as we have a spare room and who knows.. at least vegas has jobs. Also Craigslist.org is posting information for NOLA and surrounding areas about housing, food, jobs etc and i think they were starting a "here is where I am" list.. for those who are looking kind of like what they did after 9-11. __________________ Support Indie Porn Sites OMGoddess You know you need some Bling!!

2005-09-05, 07:34 AM	#4
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Capt Sparrow - as you know I echo everything you are saying 10 times over - we all know down here what is really going on and all I can say is that if people want to watch the news I sure hope they understand they are getting "tainted reporting" Im really glad to hear that you guys are ok and S Spiff and the others are doing good - sounds like things are about the same down there as they are here other than the real estate boom I can get some deisel for the truck so if you need anything carted down let me know - if anyone needs a place to get away from the hub-bub for a few days Ive got plenty of room here - or if you have a trailer or boat you need storage for - plenty of parking area __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-09-05, 08:40 AM	#5
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	Well I don't live in Louisiana or anywhere near the South, so I don't know what's really going on. I can't insert myself into the minds of thousands of victims to see why they didn't evacuate and pass moral judgement on their need for help. But I can pass moral judgement on the quality of a society. I do so in part by seeing how it responds to those in need wether or not they 'deserve' it. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES!

2005-09-05, 10:43 AM	#7
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	So now you're comparing the victims to wild animals? Why don't we just file this whole thing under "Shit Happens" and move on with our lives. I'll call the Red Cross and ask for a refund on my donation. After all this didn't happen in Connecticut so why should I give a shit? No disrespect CaptainJSparrow, but your analogies seem a bit off. Agreed, opinions are easy to form and as we know everybody has one. I also realize that media thrives on shit, but you just can't explain away the past week's coverage from every major news outlet in the world. Best of luck to everyone in the affected areas! __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES!

2005-09-01, 08:49 PM	#1
Tubey Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 60	I recently started on a quest to help, My goal was to create a list of shelters and possibley the names of people within to help locate family members separated and sheltered in different locations. I called alot of people today and this was the result.... -----Original Message----- From: Specenl1@aol.com [mailto:Specenl1@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:10 PM To: Subject: Making of website list from Terry Hello, I am trying to make a list of people located in shelters so other family members can locate loved ones during the disaster. I do some web work and purchased the domain shelterlist.com to try to accomplish this task. The domain will not be active for a few more hours and so far I have contacted the coast guard, fema, and have tried to contact the redcross to get some sort of list started. At this time fema has no such list, nor does the coast guard, I am hoping the redcross may have some information that would start this process. I can be contacted through this e-mail address Thanks for any input you can give, Terry Terry, The American Red Cross does not post the names of individuals located in shelters due to confidentiality reasons. Take care. American Red Cross of Central Florida I still have some people trying to figure out a way to get the info about the shelters but it seems this may be very difficult at this point. ANY IDEAS??? Terry

2005-09-05, 10:20 AM	#6
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Thanks Linkster. We're good here though. Glad to hear that you're OK too. Lemmy. I realize that it is easy to form an opinion, and pass judgement, on things. The hard part is to realize that some of the information that you're using to form that opinion is tainted (as Linkster said) by the media. In this instance, I read the posts and thought that some folks had the wrong opinion (based on what I've seen first hand and on what my friends have seen and we've discussed). I know of a man that was delivering water and ice to help, and his truck with all the supplies was carjacked at gunpoint by the very same people that he was trying to help. Folks have volunteered to go down there in their own boats to rescue these poor folks that you're talking about, and these same poor folks are shooting at their rescuers, and even taking the boats themselves. Military helicopters are being shot at as they try to rescue people. You know, when "we" clear out land and there are wild animals living on that land we re-locate them. The people that go in, have to take the proper precautions and wear protective clothing, etc. to protect themselves from the animals that they're trying to help. Even though it's in the animals best interest that they be relocated, they still bite the hand that's trying to save them. Well, unfortunately, in New Orleans, a similar thing is going on. The military, the police, and the volunteers jobs are being slowed down by the folks that they are trying to rescue. There are alot of people in New Orleans that don't want to be rescued/re-located. They would rather stay and have their way (ie loot) with as many stores as they can. But once these folks get caught somewhere because of rising water, they're on TV waving flags and nice folks are saying "It's the President's fault that those poor folks are still in New Orleans." Now of course, that is not an accurate description of every person waving a flag...but I'd guess that everything that I've typed in these posts describes well over 95% of those folks that you're seeing on TV. Yesterday, as I was driving around an area that was just a block or two from the Lake, an area that had flooded, I saw a man sitting in the median on a lawn chair getting some sun and watching everything going on around him. There was no way that he has any sort of power where he was. I'm doubting that he had running water...if it ran it was certainly not drinkable. There were cars and trucks driving all around this man. If he wanted to get out, he could've flagged one of us down and someone would have taken him to safety. Instead, he sat there watching the ducks and the traffic and the storm damage. Now, should the President come on down and forceably remove this guy? He doesn't want to go. What if it rains here tomorrow, the levee breaks where he is, and he's on his roof waving a flag? The media helicopters will be flying over him (not offering assistance) and broadcasting his image all over the world and who will folks blame for this poor guy's predicament? Most people around here know that the contra flow worked. The mandatory evactuation, in the order that they did it, worked. Most people around here know that those folks that are dead or stranded did it to themselves. We feel sorry for them, to an extent. Alot of folks around here also feel that these people are keeping the authorities from focusing on repairing the damage. Lemmy, that is just how it really is down here in Louisiana.

2005-09-05, 11:00 AM	#8
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Lemmy, there's an old saying "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has an orange bill..." You keep calling them victims. If someone brings something upon himself or herself, can you still call them a victim? You also throw blame around like a blanket...but you're missing a large part of the target. That is the actual "victims" themselves. Let me tell you, it is not the President's fault that these folks are in this predicament. It's not the fault of our governor. It's not the fault of the state police, or any of the local authorities. It is their fault. They were warned to get out. They were given a means to get to safety (yes shelters were provided ... no one was turned away) and they refused. Now you, in Conneticut I believe, are gonna sit there and say that it is someone else's fault for their predicament? C'mon. Hell, the man that I saw yesterday is still in harms way. Should we send a police unit over there to put him in cuffs and take him to Baton Rouge and set him free? Those police units are kinda busy guarding downed power lines that are sparking so that no one get's themselves electrecuted. Those police units are busy trying to stop those "victims" from killing their rescuers and from stealing electrical appliances (and putting themselves in harms way while they're doing it). Hell, when do we stop protecting these victims from themselves and use our resources to get on with the process of getting this city inhabitable so that all of those displaced folks can get back home. Right now, today, the police are gonna be real busy letting in the citizens so that they can go assess the damage to their homes, and get what they can salvage out. The authorities are needed to keep the order for that. Why should they have to divide their resources to go protect these victims from themselves. Nuff said.