Index doorway trick (or some magic :)

[Linkster]

Sortlinks - I will respectfully disagree - the free sites that get submitted to LLs (again my opinion) should NOT be the ones that you are trying to get into the SEs - although in the long run some will fall in there - I think everyone is missing the point with trying so hard to get both LLs and their free sites listed in SEs based on recips and the way the free site is made.
I will restate - the submitted free sites should be for making money off the LLs traffic/surfers - the copy that is different enough with more aggressive marketing and submitted to DMOZ etc to get into the SEs should only have recips to toplists and thats about it. You will make a lot more money in the long run and I can (based on years of experience in SEs) state with no doubts - its a very rough road to try to worry about the free site index pages and their folders/recips etc - thats why I went to not using the category recips and I havent lost one single position in Google in the year since I dropped the cat recips. There are a lot more important things for a LL owner to do that will get them positioning in the SEs than worry about what the recip says.

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Sortlinks - I will respectfully disagree - the free sites that get submitted to LLs (again my opinion) should NOT be the ones that you are trying to get into the SEs - although in the long run some will fall in there - I think everyone is missing the point with trying so hard to get both LLs and their free sites listed in SEs based on recips and the way the free site is made.
I will restate - the submitted free sites should be for making money off the LLs traffic/surfers - the copy that is different enough with more aggressive marketing and submitted to DMOZ etc to get into the SEs should only have recips to toplists and thats about it. You will make a lot more money in the long run and I can (based on years of experience in SEs) state with no doubts - its a very rough road to try to worry about the free site index pages and their folders/recips etc - thats why I went to not using the category recips and I havent lost one single position in Google in the year since I dropped the cat recips. There are a lot more important things for a LL owner to do that will get them positioning in the SEs than worry about what the recip says.

Thats interesting - so can you submit each freesite you make even if they are on the same domain to DMOZ??

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by neveremail

Thats interesting - so can you submit each freesite you make even if they are on the same domain to DMOZ??

Definitely - as long as they are in separate subdirectories - you can have as many as you like in the free sites and galleries areas of DMOZ - I have some domains that have 50 free sites on them and all listed (and no Im not an editor or even know one - well at least I dont take advantage of my friendship with them)

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Definitely - as long as they are in separate subdirectories - you can have as many as you like in the free sites and galleries areas of DMOZ - I have some domains that have 50 free sites on them and all listed (and no Im not an editor or even know one - well at least I dont take advantage of my friendship with them)

Thanks thats a good tip - I will keep doing that from now on
You can also post that more aggressively advertised freesite designed for SE surfers on no recip forums and anywhere else you can think of.

[SortLinks]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Sortlinks - I will respectfully disagree - the free sites that get submitted to LLs (again my opinion) should NOT be the ones that you are trying to get into the SEs - although in the long run some will fall in there - I think everyone is missing the point with trying so hard to get both LLs and their free sites listed in SEs based on recips and the way the free site is made.
I will restate - the submitted free sites should be for making money off the LLs traffic/surfers - the copy that is different enough with more aggressive marketing and submitted to DMOZ etc to get into the SEs should only have recips to toplists and thats about it. You will make a lot more money in the long run and I can (based on years of experience in SEs) state with no doubts - its a very rough road to try to worry about the free site index pages and their folders/recips etc - thats why I went to not using the category recips and I havent lost one single position in Google in the year since I dropped the cat recips. There are a lot more important things for a LL owner to do that will get them positioning in the SEs than worry about what the recip says.

Thats perfect!
Now I agree with you on the above...
how about categories? Do you promote em via category trades only?

Surprised that you have managed it with only text recip.. (btw I do it with NON TEEN LLS in my sig too
Congrats!

upon my ex and the experience of 3 of friends who submit free sites...they make sales from SE traffic of free sites 4 month of age.
I completly agree that in the long run it is..
But I always live to have SE optimised free sites, to maintain better positons for our LLs (and free sites) by having better backlinks (As I noticed sites with s1/fn/ live much longer than s1/warning.html at least now with present google filters) and niched recips.
Its hard times for "white optimisation" guys like we are

its goona be an interesting thread for all free sites submites...we should rename it

site1/folder[n]/ VS s1/warn[n].html... lol

guys feel free to post your opinion...
and
THANK you so much Linkster!!
You gave us hope that things are not so bad at all