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[Linkster]

well - here's my take on it:
first - I doubt seriously that you have been listed at very many LLs - most WMs dont list fake whois domains. Second the site with the subdomain would be an instant ban at most LLs - so you might check that as well. I would also make sure that you are using a good email as the hotmail addy would also get you declined if you used it (I dont know as Ive never seen a submit here)

Definitely think about how you push a site - think about the Sunday newspapers and how the car dealers push specific cars or even go to mens magazine and see how they talk up a certain thing they are selling in the back.

Looking at the entrance page for one of your free sites I could barely find the Enter link - again a reason most LLs wouldnt accept it (its the smallest link on the page)

If you have really made 100 free sites since youve owned this domain then you definitely have the mindset to do this well - 100 sites in less than 5 months is great - just have to learn the selling points and there are loads of threads in the newbie section that go into detail on this - or just look at some LLs around here to see what does get accepted and how they sell. Or just look at Tommys free site he posted and take good lessons from that one

As far as taking logos off the thumbs I do believe that would NOT be a problem as long as you leave them on the full size pics -but definitely need something to make thumbs better

[tb]

Originally Posted by Linkster

well - here's my take on it:
first - I doubt seriously that you have been listed at very many LLs - most WMs dont list fake whois domains. Second the site with the subdomain would be an instant ban at most LLs - so you might check that as well. I would also make sure that you are using a good email as the hotmail addy would also get you declined if you used it (I dont know as Ive never seen a submit here)

Thanks for the take.
What do you mean by fake whois domains?

[tb]

Well thanks again for all the ideas.

I really did not think my enter link was so hard to find.
O.K. Maybe on this example
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat10/01/
the enter link is a bit tricky, I acknowledge that as fair criticism.

If you look at the other sites I've listed, you will find the enter link quite simply

This one has an extra large enter link:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz07/01/

This one the enter link is fully one quarter the size of the table it’s in:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz14/01/

Here is one with a big clean enter link and plenty of text extolling the great benefits of joining:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php05/01/

Here is on with a very clean enter link and lots of bold text under the banner:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz05/07/

Here is one with a positively huge enter link on the warning page:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz04/07/

Here is one with clean enter link and lots of text
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz08/07/

Another clean enter lots of text
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php01/01/

Last one two enter links one above the other and text links
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php04/01/

The idea behind this is not to refute your critisms, some of which are valid and I will work hard to sharpen the web sites if you all think that is part of the problem. I will refine my thumbs, use more text and take the Sunday paper approach to selling. The reason for all the examples is to show you that I have constantly changed things around looking for a site that sells.
Again all of these sites can't be sooo bad that they never get a sale and every click is a blind one.
Keep in mind again; I keep getting accepted at different link lists I am now approaching 2000 acceptances. (yes Linkster it’s true)
It' not like I don't surf around and see what others are doing. I am certainly not the only free site builder to use a format similar to this.
Naturally I have seen a lot better and naturally I have seen a lot worse.

Of course I am open to other suggestions you may have and needless to say I don’t expect the board to solve my problems. The reason for my asking is to make sure that I am on the right track. As well I’ll state it again that I don’t believe this is entirely a case of crappy web sites.




Here are some specific examples

September 8, 2005 to October 10, 2005
These sites sent 1120 hits to the tour in 33 days
0 sales?

http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php01/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php02/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php03/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php04/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php05/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php06/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php07/01/

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June 28, 2005 to October 10, 2005
These sites sent 4996 hits to the tour in 105 days
0 sales?

http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat01/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat02/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat03/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat04/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat05/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat06/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat07/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat08/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat09/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat10/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat11/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat12/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat13/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat14/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat15/01/

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I just don’t see that the problem is all in a “bad website”
If you check the links you will find they are very clean and not meant to deviously mislead the surfer


Thanks again for all of your time.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by tb

Thanks for the take.
What do you mean by fake whois domains?

Lets look - you started out with this as your addy:
K Smith ()
+1.5148600250
Fax: +1.5148600250
4894 Sources
43509
D.D.O., QC H8Y 3P4
CA
Which puts you in Canada ???

Then you changed it in July to:
K Smith ()
+1.5148600250
Fax: +1.5148600250
123 4th street
Punta Cana, CA 90210
US
Which puts you in Beverly Hills??? of course that street doesnt really exist there - so yeah - its fake LOL

[tb]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Lets look -

I moved and then decided I wanted a little privacy, anything wrong with that.
Anyone that wants to contact me through the spam-ola domain name registration system can use the valid e-mail address provided I will respond to it. Fake or private?
I'll let you think what you want.

[Linkster]

Actually - yes there is something wrong with that - most LL owners will not list your sites when you have a fake/private whois - simple fact - no problem - just part of the game

[tb]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Actually - yes there is something wrong with that - most LL owners will not list your sites when you have a fake/private whois - simple fact - no problem - just part of the game

Lucky for me this has not been a problem.
A LL owner looking at domain name registration is really wasting his or her time. Without a a reference point a LL owner has no idea if the address is valid or not.

As well the qualitiy of the registered address does nothing to speak of the quality of the person submiting the site.

I think most LL owners would be more concerened about a valid return e-mail addresses of the submitter and making sure sites do not re-direct or change after they are submitted. I have never, and I never will change or re-direct a site. I hate it as a sufer and I won't tolerate it as an adult web master.

The LL owners that accept my submissions know they are clean and know that they will stay that way.

The attitude that goes with this has squat to do with an address.

No harm intended just my opinion of course.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by tb

Lucky for me this has not been a problem.

You're complaining that you barely get listed. Are you so sure that it isn't affecting you?