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[tb]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Actually - yes there is something wrong with that - most LL owners will not list your sites when you have a fake/private whois - simple fact - no problem - just part of the game

Lucky for me this has not been a problem.
A LL owner looking at domain name registration is really wasting his or her time. Without a a reference point a LL owner has no idea if the address is valid or not.

As well the qualitiy of the registered address does nothing to speak of the quality of the person submiting the site.

I think most LL owners would be more concerened about a valid return e-mail addresses of the submitter and making sure sites do not re-direct or change after they are submitted. I have never, and I never will change or re-direct a site. I hate it as a sufer and I won't tolerate it as an adult web master.

The LL owners that accept my submissions know they are clean and know that they will stay that way.

The attitude that goes with this has squat to do with an address.

No harm intended just my opinion of course.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by tb

Lucky for me this has not been a problem.

You're complaining that you barely get listed. Are you so sure that it isn't affecting you?

[tb]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You're complaining that you barely get listed. Are you so sure that it isn't affecting you?

Nope, getting listed is not problem. I get listed plenty. I follow all the rules and do my best to make sure the sites are up and running 24x7.

The complaint is "I'm not making any sales."

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by tb

Nope, getting listed is not problem. I get listed plenty. I follow all the rules and do my best to make sure the sites are up and running 24x7.

The complaint is "I'm not making any sales."

No offense intended here TB, but you came here asking for assistance. You're getting help from some of the best in the free site/link list game. And frankly, you're pretty much arguing some of their very valid points.

I DO check whois on submissions...and I DO decline based on false whois info. You have to realize how many cheaters and scammers there are in this biz. We don't know you...nor do we know you're not one of the cheats. Believe us, UW and I are not the only ones that check whois info. Many of the large link sites do. This topic has come up over and over on this board. Do yourself a favor...search for whois on this board. Perhaps, that will convince you that no one here is just yankin your chain for fun.

Fake whois info is an instant decline. In many cases, some link sites will actually blacklist for fake whois info.

As to your sales...frankly, your numbers are too low to really know for sure yet. Hell, I'm off to a 1:8000 start to the week right now. Not normal for me, but it happens. Hopefully, within a couple days it will pick up again...and normalize those numbers.

To some extent, traffic is as important as tweaking your sales approach. You want to get listed everywhere you submit...or damn close to it! I'm happy to say my sites are accepted at every one of the sites I submit too. Yes, 100% acceptance...and yes, it took me a long time to get to that level.

I know you're frustrated that you haven't made any sales yet. This biz is not an easy...those days are long gone. But, if you start accepting the good advice you're getting and adapting...perhaps...just maybe your traffic flows will increase. Perhaps, you'll start sending 5k clicks a week to sponsors...or 5k a day...at that point, you'll be able to much better tweak your sales approach.

Right now, you need to get listed and get traffic. Please, try to accept the solid advice you're getting here instead of justifying your current methods which obviously aren't working for you.

But, that's just my humble opinion of course

[tb]

Originally Posted by MrYum

No offense intended here TB, but you came here asking for assistance. You're getting help from some of the best in the free site/link list game. And frankly, you're pretty much arguing some of their very valid points.

I DO check whois on submissions...and I DO decline based on false whois info. You have to realize how many cheaters and scammers there are in this biz. We don't know you...nor do we know you're not one of the cheats. Believe us, UW and I are not the only ones that check whois info. Many of the large link sites do. This topic has come up over and over on this board. Do yourself a favor...search for whois on this board. Perhaps, that will convince you that no one here is just yankin your chain for fun.

Fake whois info is an instant decline. In many cases, some link sites will actually blacklist for fake whois info.

With all due respect MrYum,
You have a reference point on me.
So you believe the address is fake.
No reference point, no discussion.
Checking the whois to find that the cheater listed a "real" fake address puts you in the same jeopardy.
And lets face it are your really gonna travel to Mother Russia to see if the address is really "real" ??

This discussion over fake and real whois addresses is moot and honestly a waste of time because it is too easily by-passed.

As well I am not in-validating the good advice given, please re-read my prior posts.
All of the helpful pointers were duly noted and shall be incorporated.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by tb

With all due respect MrYum,
You have a reference point on me.
So you believe the address is fake.
No reference point, no discussion.
Checking the whois to find that the cheater listed a "real" fake address puts you in the same jeopardy.
And lets face it are your really gonna travel to Mother Russia to see if the address is really "real" ??

This discussion over fake and real whois addresses is moot and honestly a waste of time because it is too easily by-passed.

As well I am not in-validating the good advice given, please re-read my prior posts.
All of the helpful pointers were duly noted and shall be incorporated.

Okay...fair enough TB. You can continue to ignore all the folks telling the whois issue is real...and keep waiting for those sales you were 'promised' to start raining from the sky.

Oh, and trust me...I always read an entire thread before responding. But, you just seemed to be either missing or choosing to ignore a very important piece of advice. Which from your response to me, it appears you will continue to do so...as you have decided it's moot and a waste of time.

Given that fact, this thread has become of waste of my valuable time. Best of luck to you mate...you're going to need it.

[johnnybg]

Originally Posted by tb

Nope, getting listed is not problem. I get listed plenty. I follow all the rules and do my best to make sure the sites are up and running 24x7.

The complaint is "I'm not making any sales."

OK, I have isolated one of your sites at http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php01/01/

I won't debate about marketing much since many other people said enough here and also in the books.

You have to sell with your heavu artillery:

I copied your copy (which isn't really a sales pitch):"Pantyhose posing in the Emperor's chamber.
That or she decided to get undressed at the furniture store again.
No matter what, these are the uber models of pantyhose posing.
Check out the web site and I'm sure you'll agree.
When you're done click on the Planet Pantyhose link for more.
Treat yourself like an Emperor, after all it's really not that expensive. "

Try replacing it with this, make new site and submit to LLs:
BIG YELLOW HEADLINE:"DISCOVER MY PLANET OF HORNY GIRLS"
"When you see my horny girlfriends wearing those new pantyhoses and flashing their shaved juicy pussies ready for your big cock, you'll be begging for MORE! If you behave, I'll let you visit my private planet - Planet Pantyhose. ENTER MY SITE FOR INSTRUCIONS."

and don't link yet to sponsor. Let them enter your site and try to "discover" themselves.

Just an idea...

[Halfdeck]

1:350 isn't magic. A high converting paysite should average below 1:200.

I sort of understand your scepticism though. When I first started, I didn't even believe I'd get a check, and when I got my first check, I wasn't sure if it was real or fake.

My first free sites were pretty horrible. I remember checking my sponsor stats every day and seeing no sales day after day. One paysite I remember I sent 4000 clicks and no sales. My sites looked good, the thumbs weren't over compressed, I used horny text, I used different gallery layouts, etc etc... but the sales just weren't coming.

I asked people about stats, and when people said I should be getting 1:500 at least I was "like how?"

Well, after a few good advice from other webmasters, I changed my approach, and I started seeing some amazing numbers that makes 1:350 look like shit.

So here's my advice...people here are not steering you wrong, re-read this thread and start building better sites.

[KG Gary]

Thanks for taking the time to explain Linkster, and for making perfect sense!
The idea is to tempt the surfer into looking for a bit more and then let the tour do it's job, rather than trick the surfer onto the tour and create another pissed off porn-hunter. I understand.

So much great advice here. It's amazing.

[mrenaud]

With out rancour or prejudice:
It's a shame you won't share at least one.
I find it hard to believe that you have made 6 sales in your first month from a standing start. My humble opinion of course.

Maybe I am lucky I don't know? Maybe my traffic is better? I didn't just start my business with "a standing start" either. I researced this business for a long time.
I bet there are webmasters out there who have made a hell of lot more than 6 sales in under 5 weeks times.

You are the second person on the board that I have had a conversation with that has made claims of magical sales and to date neither of you will show any of the input.

Magical sales? 6 sales is far from "magical in opinion." I try to build 6-7 days a week. It's work. Nothing magical about that.

[mrenaud]

Actually - yes there is something wrong with that - most LL owners will not list your sites when you have a fake/private whois - simple fact - no problem - just part of the game

That would be why my submit domain is pubilc

[tb]

Originally Posted by mrenaud

Maybe I am lucky I don't know? Maybe my traffic is better? I didn't just start my business with "a standing start" either. I researced this business for a long time.
I bet there are webmasters out there who have made a hell of lot more than 6 sales in under 5 weeks times.

Magical sales? 6 sales is far from "magical in opinion." I try to build 6-7 days a week. It's work. Nothing magical about that.

Well, from what I have read on this board and others, getting 6 sales your first month from a zero traffic start is more then magical. It is in-freakin'-credible, no matter how much research you did. So you will have to pardon me for taking what you say with a grain of salt.

I have been building sites at probably the same rate as you and I am not afraid to share my sites or some of my stats. I have not gotten a single sale, not one, not zip, nothing, nada, rien.
I have sent plenty of traffic to my sponsors, completly defying the declared bullshit ratio of 1:350 and I am still waiting.

And that is what this post is all about. It is not a personal attack on anyone.
(The board has actually been super nice, giving me lots of free help and advice. Thanks GG&J board!)

It is a simple question:
"where the hell are all these promised sales?"
The sponsors bandy around figures like the money was gonna rain from the sky, so how 'bout a little drizzle??

[Useless]

Originally Posted by tb

Well, from what I have read on this board and others, getting 6 sales your first month from a zero traffic start is more then magical. It is in-freakin'-credible, no matter how much research you did. So you will have to pardon me for taking what you say with a grain of salt.

What do you find so hard to believe about 6 sales in the first month? If you submit good sites to good lists, 6 sales your first month is not a huge task. He wasn't tooting his horn, he's giving you a comparison.

Simply stated, you suck. You really, really suck. Deal with it. You're always going to suck because you'd rather argue about the reasons why you suck rather than taking everyone's advice as friendly critcism and learning from it.

And as far as that free site Tommy showed you - don't follow that example! I'd never list that damned thing. Those banners with the fake thumbs would get you rejected every time and eventually blacklisted.

[tb]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What do you find so hard to believe about 6 sales in the first month? If you submit good sites to good lists, 6 sales your first month is not a huge task. He wasn't tooting his horn, he's giving you a comparison.

Simply stated, you suck. You really, really suck. Deal with it. You're always going to suck because you'd rather argue about the reasons why you suck rather than taking everyone's advice as friendly critcism and learning from it.

And as far as that free site Tommy showed you - don't follow that example! I'd never list that damned thing. Those banners with the fake thumbs would get you rejected every time and eventually blacklisted.

Time to start reading the post Useless.

All the good advice has been noted.

I'm a firm believer in put your money where your mouth is.
If he truly is giving me a comparison then lets see it!
A comparison without an example is like tits on a bull, useless! (pardon the pun)
Stand up and say your a genius, then better be perpared to prove it.

Sure the ratio is 1:350 but only after a million unigue hits. Time to tell the truth!

You guys brought up the bullshit address thing to argue about.
It's pure crap, check the damn address all you want. Any idiot can fly a real fake address by you anytime. YOU NEED A REFERENCE POINT, all aboard, next stop the Czeck Republic.

And what's with the personal attack, what did I ever do to you?