What does it take to be lucrative in the freesite game nowadays?

BlackCrayon · 2005-10-13, 05:59 PM

im sure those who have been submitting since day and actually kept doing it are making a living off it. just imagine if you've submitted for the past 7 years daily, that would be over 2500 sites.

i hope to be making a couple grand a month after a few months doing this but maybe that is too optimistic. i remember submitting a few free sites to greenguy back in 98 but things were different then. i was making 7-10k a month off just 2 big free sites that i kept working on, instead of making new ones daily.

i guess i'll see how it goes. its somewhat discouraging tho. freesites, galleries, mpgs: these are all things people say you can't make a living off of anymore. seo is lucrative but i've never been able to figure out google and when i did, it never lasted long until things changed again. what other areas of adult are there for long term income?

makes me wonder how many people really make money in this biz, or just talk like they do.

ponygirl · 2005-10-13, 06:31 PM

ok...I've been doing freesites for a year now, but only full time for about the last 5-6 months and not one a day, either. Right now, I make enough most weeks to pay for itself & my groceries (I have 2 boys, if that gives you any idea what my groceies cost lol). If this was the only source of family income, we'd be dumpster hopping

BUT...I see the potential. If I have just over 100 fs out there right now & I'm making $xxx, then double that, then triple it, you get the idea. I have my LL that I'm constantly tweaking, and as soon as I have some time I'll be buying more domains & doing more of the same. I sub galleries once in a while to a couple of high traffic places & get some quick sales off those, but as UW said, a lot of my fs sales are from older sites.

It is possible to make a living, for me, anyway. It takes a hell of a lot of time, patience, and learning, but it is possible imo.

Ponygirl

anteyes · 2005-10-13, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ponygirl

ok...I've been doing freesites for a year now, but only full time for about the last 5-6 months and not one a day, either. Right now, I make enough most weeks to pay for itself & my groceries (I have 2 boys, if that gives you any idea what my groceies cost lol). If this was the only source of family income, we'd be dumpster hopping

BUT...I see the potential. If I have just over 100 fs out there right now & I'm making $xxx, then double that, then triple it, you get the idea. I have my LL that I'm constantly tweaking, and as soon as I have some time I'll be buying more domains & doing more of the same. I sub galleries once in a while to a couple of high traffic places & get some quick sales off those, but as UW said, a lot of my fs sales are from older sites.

It is possible to make a living, for me, anyway. It takes a hell of a lot of time, patience, and learning, but it is possible imo.

Ponygirl

Do you do anything other than freesites? How often do you actually submit?

ponygirl · 2005-10-13, 07:16 PM

I mainly do freesites, that is where I'm getting the sales. I get the odd gallery listed too, but the freesites are what I focus on. I also have my hub turned LL - this mainly sucks time & doesn't return anything yet

but it's got good pr & it's for the long term, while the freesites are mainly to get some fast cash.

Up till March I was working ft outside the house, so 2 freesites/week was good for me. Now I try to do 5/wk, but mostly end up with 4.

As you get better & faster at it, you will start to see more traffic, then more sales. I'm sure what I'm doing and making is piddly shit to a lot of people in this biz - in fact, I know it is

but I'm not necessarily looking for the big bucks, just to make a living, like I would anywhere else. If that's what you're aiming for then I think it's possible, even probable, unless you give up too soon, or just totally suck

Main thing I have learned is that you have to have LOTS of patience - just like any other business, the first year is going to be the worst, you'll lose money & think of bailing every day, but get over the hump & it gets better.

well, that's my story & I'm stickin to it

EDIT - oh ya, and TIME - your family will hate you & complain they never see you, you will not sleep, your eyes will go buggy and your hands will cramp - just be prepared

Linkster · 2005-10-13, 08:52 PM

I can tell you that there are two pitfalls a large percentage of people fall into when starting with freesites - they try to use sponsor content and they go with the cheapest lowest bandwidth host they can.
While these sound like good ideas they have caused more problems for free site makers in the last two years than any others.
First - the content(free hosted stuff that is) - while its free and readily available - it (in most of the larger programs out there) has been used so many times that its just not going to get approved at LLs - or at least the LLs that will send sales - they want quality content for their surfers and you should want quality surfers - so I would recommend spending the 5 or 6 bucks it costs these days for a set of content per site and it will pay for itself in the long run

Second - the host - every day I look at 404s and "exceeded bandwidth" pages when Im checking my links - and all because the submitter wanted to shave 5 bucks off the cost of the hosting a month - it is in your best interests to always check around (pretty easy to do here with the amount of posts on the subject in the past) and pick someone thats not going to go out on you in 2 months.

Last - do I think its possible to make a living from free sites alone - not a chance - but then my idea of a living is probably different than yours - if you want to be making $1000 a week in a year - yeah thats very possible with free sites as long as you learn traffic routing and filtering, listen and read everything you can on this board, and do some of the tricks already posted here where you set up hubs of your free sites and work towards your own network of sites that "captures" surfers and builds their traffic.

MrYum · 2005-10-13, 10:11 PM

What a great thread!

Nice contributions everyone

Got into free sites a couple years ago...as the previous model had stopped working entirely. Won't even go into the sordid details of that

As others have stated...frequently, free site sales come much later down the road. That said, if you can find something fresh that's not overexposed yet...new sites can generate nice sales too. Just ran across one of those site recently...nice to see those quick sales and low ratios again!

Again as others mentioned, it really depends on what you need to live. Unfortunately, because of how and where I choose to live...this biz doesn't pay my bills. Fortunately, I've made some other decisions that have kept things alive.

And I'm constantly adapting what I do to streamline processes...find new traffic streams....grow the business. Not really any 'easy' roads in the biz these days, but at least it's a fun journey...and it's not boring!

There's always something new to learn...something new to try...that's actually one of my favorite parts of the biz

Surfn · 2005-10-13, 10:13 PM

I agree with Linkster. Dedication and perseverance and you should be earning $1000.00 per week in a year.

Like any business the more you put into it the more you get out.

ponygirl · 2005-10-13, 10:27 PM

where I live, $1000/wk is a decent living indeed

that's pretty inspiring coming from a couple of very respected & experienced folks here

guess I'll get back to work

2005-10-13, 06:31 PM	#2
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	ok...I've been doing freesites for a year now, but only full time for about the last 5-6 months and not one a day, either. Right now, I make enough most weeks to pay for itself & my groceries (I have 2 boys, if that gives you any idea what my groceies cost lol). If this was the only source of family income, we'd be dumpster hopping BUT...I see the potential. If I have just over 100 fs out there right now & I'm making $xxx, then double that, then triple it, you get the idea. I have my LL that I'm constantly tweaking, and as soon as I have some time I'll be buying more domains & doing more of the same. I sub galleries once in a while to a couple of high traffic places & get some quick sales off those, but as UW said, a lot of my fs sales are from older sites. It is possible to make a living, for me, anyway. It takes a hell of a lot of time, patience, and learning, but it is possible imo. Ponygirl __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources

2005-10-13, 07:16 PM	#4
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	I mainly do freesites, that is where I'm getting the sales. I get the odd gallery listed too, but the freesites are what I focus on. I also have my hub turned LL - this mainly sucks time & doesn't return anything yet but it's got good pr & it's for the long term, while the freesites are mainly to get some fast cash. Up till March I was working ft outside the house, so 2 freesites/week was good for me. Now I try to do 5/wk, but mostly end up with 4. As you get better & faster at it, you will start to see more traffic, then more sales. I'm sure what I'm doing and making is piddly shit to a lot of people in this biz - in fact, I know it is but I'm not necessarily looking for the big bucks, just to make a living, like I would anywhere else. If that's what you're aiming for then I think it's possible, even probable, unless you give up too soon, or just totally suck Main thing I have learned is that you have to have LOTS of patience - just like any other business, the first year is going to be the worst, you'll lose money & think of bailing every day, but get over the hump & it gets better. well, that's my story & I'm stickin to it EDIT - oh ya, and TIME - your family will hate you & complain they never see you, you will not sleep, your eyes will go buggy and your hands will cramp - just be prepared __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources

2005-10-13, 08:52 PM	#5
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	I can tell you that there are two pitfalls a large percentage of people fall into when starting with freesites - they try to use sponsor content and they go with the cheapest lowest bandwidth host they can. While these sound like good ideas they have caused more problems for free site makers in the last two years than any others. First - the content(free hosted stuff that is) - while its free and readily available - it (in most of the larger programs out there) has been used so many times that its just not going to get approved at LLs - or at least the LLs that will send sales - they want quality content for their surfers and you should want quality surfers - so I would recommend spending the 5 or 6 bucks it costs these days for a set of content per site and it will pay for itself in the long run Second - the host - every day I look at 404s and "exceeded bandwidth" pages when Im checking my links - and all because the submitter wanted to shave 5 bucks off the cost of the hosting a month - it is in your best interests to always check around (pretty easy to do here with the amount of posts on the subject in the past) and pick someone thats not going to go out on you in 2 months. Last - do I think its possible to make a living from free sites alone - not a chance - but then my idea of a living is probably different than yours - if you want to be making $1000 a week in a year - yeah thats very possible with free sites as long as you learn traffic routing and filtering, listen and read everything you can on this board, and do some of the tricks already posted here where you set up hubs of your free sites and work towards your own network of sites that "captures" surfers and builds their traffic. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-10-13, 10:11 PM	#6
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	What a great thread! Nice contributions everyone Got into free sites a couple years ago...as the previous model had stopped working entirely. Won't even go into the sordid details of that As others have stated...frequently, free site sales come much later down the road. That said, if you can find something fresh that's not overexposed yet...new sites can generate nice sales too. Just ran across one of those site recently...nice to see those quick sales and low ratios again! Again as others mentioned, it really depends on what you need to live. Unfortunately, because of how and where I choose to live...this biz doesn't pay my bills. Fortunately, I've made some other decisions that have kept things alive. And I'm constantly adapting what I do to streamline processes...find new traffic streams....grow the business. Not really any 'easy' roads in the biz these days, but at least it's a fun journey...and it's not boring! There's always something new to learn...something new to try...that's actually one of my favorite parts of the biz __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-10-13, 10:13 PM	#7
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I agree with Linkster. Dedication and perseverance and you should be earning $1000.00 per week in a year. Like any business the more you put into it the more you get out. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2005-10-13, 05:59 PM	#1
BlackCrayon Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 20	im sure those who have been submitting since day and actually kept doing it are making a living off it. just imagine if you've submitted for the past 7 years daily, that would be over 2500 sites. i hope to be making a couple grand a month after a few months doing this but maybe that is too optimistic. i remember submitting a few free sites to greenguy back in 98 but things were different then. i was making 7-10k a month off just 2 big free sites that i kept working on, instead of making new ones daily. i guess i'll see how it goes. its somewhat discouraging tho. freesites, galleries, mpgs: these are all things people say you can't make a living off of anymore. seo is lucrative but i've never been able to figure out google and when i did, it never lasted long until things changed again. what other areas of adult are there for long term income? makes me wonder how many people really make money in this biz, or just talk like they do.

2005-10-13, 10:27 PM	#8
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	where I live, $1000/wk is a decent living indeed that's pretty inspiring coming from a couple of very respected & experienced folks here guess I'll get back to work __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources