What Makes A Paysite Go Choke?

Jim · 2005-11-01, 02:23 PM

Very true Tommy
Or, the person that owns the paysite may just be burntout. They may be just done with this business and figure on living on recurring. Of course I have seen people just walk away finding god or claiming they found god. Or then the person that figures out that what he is doing is harming women.

All sorts of reasons...

2005-11-02, 02:56 AM

Another reason is the business is changing. Traffic generation is important, but if the traffic lands on a page that has poorer content than it's competitors it's worth less than it could be.

What's better, generate 10% more traffic, convert 10% more or do both?

Those relying on number 1 will lose out. Those doing 2 will get the affilaites who send traffic slowly but surely. The guys doing both are the ones moving forward.

Surfn · 2005-11-02, 03:09 AM

I think it's the reason most any business fails adult or otherwise...undercapitilization. People believe they have the next great wonder of the business world but do not have the funds to weather them through the tough times that often accompany startups.

And of course there is the smaller percentage already mentioned that either get burned out by the business or their partners or both. I also know for a fact that some grow rich and let others run their businesses not caring if it goes belly up or not because they had made their's...

2005-11-02, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Surfn

I think it's the reason most any business fails adult or otherwise...undercapitilization. People believe they have the next great wonder of the business world but do not have the funds to weather them through the tough times that often accompany startups.

I don't think I've ever been in a business where so many want to "Fly with the eagles" with the "Equipment of turkeys"

Then are amazed at the lack of elevation they achieve.

becky · 2005-12-08, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

Another reason is the business is changing. Traffic generation is important, but if the traffic lands on a page that has poorer content than it's competitors it's worth less than it could be.

What's better, generate 10% more traffic, convert 10% more or do both?

Those relying on number 1 will lose out. Those doing 2 will get the affilaites who send traffic slowly but surely. The guys doing both are the ones moving forward.

I couldn't agree more!

DJilla · 2005-11-02, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim

Or, the person that owns the paysite may just be burntout. They may be just done with this business and figure on living on recurring. Of course I have seen people just walk away finding god or claiming they found god. Or then the person that figures out that what he is doing is harming women.

Arrrrrrhgghghhh, there'll be none of that here there now mateys or thee be walking the plank...Righto? |jolly roger

Ok! Well that sort of confirms what I suspected. Basically, I'm still hearing that if you want to be in it and are doing it there aren't any real reasons for failing outside of poor content/conversions and personal choice.

The next question is $29.95 is about the AVERAGE member rate although I'm seeing some sponsors are starting to bump up to 39.95 for "new" sites. My rough estimates are that after processing, aff pymts, etc. maybe your walking away with $11-$15 for remaining costs and profit. Is this about right?

Finally, what is the typical $$$ arrangement if you turn your content and site over to someone like Top or OC or Dirty D or even a feed company for them to market it (if you got it like that) ?

Thanks for the input?

ronnie · 2005-11-05, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim

Of course I have seen people just walk away finding god or claiming they found god. Or then the person that figures out that what he is doing is harming women.

All sorts of reasons...

I remember that one, was making good money too, all gone...

ronnie

Far-L · 2005-11-05, 03:17 PM

My top 5 reasons in no particular order:

1. Undercapitalized to sustain operations

2. Trying to run on too slim a profit margin

3. Spending too much on flash without having sustainable cashflow

4. Caught stealing

5. Not diversified and prepared for fluctuations

Linkster · 2005-11-05, 05:44 PM

Far-L - all extremely good reasons - and the top 5 reasons for brick/morter biz's to fail as well - its all the same. Unfortunately there has been talk around the world about how easy it was to make money on the internet for years - of course it was just a few that were really making the good money but it stood out - those days are long gone and to start a business whether in a strip mall or on the internet requires the same basic principles today. And most people that set out to do this just dont have the capital, the biz sense and the dedication to succeed - its just a fact of life.

All of the people that I know that succeed all have the exact same traits - they dont cheat or steal, they put in longer hours than anyone Ive ever seen - 20 hour days or 36 hour marathons still exist, and they are obsessive about success. And most importantly - they never boast or brag about their successes

2005-11-02, 03:09 AM	#3
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I think it's the reason most any business fails adult or otherwise...undercapitilization. People believe they have the next great wonder of the business world but do not have the funds to weather them through the tough times that often accompany startups. And of course there is the smaller percentage already mentioned that either get burned out by the business or their partners or both. I also know for a fact that some grow rich and let others run their businesses not caring if it goes belly up or not because they had made their's... __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2005-11-05, 03:17 PM	#8
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2005-11-05, 05:44 PM	#9
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Far-L - all extremely good reasons - and the top 5 reasons for brick/morter biz's to fail as well - its all the same. Unfortunately there has been talk around the world about how easy it was to make money on the internet for years - of course it was just a few that were really making the good money but it stood out - those days are long gone and to start a business whether in a strip mall or on the internet requires the same basic principles today. And most people that set out to do this just dont have the capital, the biz sense and the dedication to succeed - its just a fact of life. All of the people that I know that succeed all have the exact same traits - they dont cheat or steal, they put in longer hours than anyone Ive ever seen - 20 hour days or 36 hour marathons still exist, and they are obsessive about success. And most importantly - they never boast or brag about their successes __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-11-01, 02:23 PM	#1
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Very true Tommy Or, the person that owns the paysite may just be burntout. They may be just done with this business and figure on living on recurring. Of course I have seen people just walk away finding god or claiming they found god. Or then the person that figures out that what he is doing is harming women. All sorts of reasons...

2005-11-02, 02:56 AM	#2
Paul Markham2 Guest Posts: n/a	Another reason is the business is changing. Traffic generation is important, but if the traffic lands on a page that has poorer content than it's competitors it's worth less than it could be. What's better, generate 10% more traffic, convert 10% more or do both? Those relying on number 1 will lose out. Those doing 2 will get the affilaites who send traffic slowly but surely. The guys doing both are the ones moving forward.