AVN Wants Me On The Traffic Panel In Vegas....Even Though They Have No Idea Who I Am.

[Greenguy]

I think I celebrated 1 year of not drinking on Tuesday

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I think I celebrated 1 year of not drinking on Tuesday

Yeah man -- I just caught that on the first page. Congrats on that BTW!

I do agree with you -- there should be some kind of compensation for doing the panel.

I've seen a lot of people on panels do what I like to call "live spam" -- where they don't offer any real information, but dron on and on about whatever it is they are trying to promote.

If AVN want people to educate the public...the people doing the educating should be compensated.

I don't know that everyone they picked for the pannel were the best choices, but I'm not going to get into the who and what so nobody gets offended...I can say one of the questionable coices was NOT Greenguy -- GG is at least 8 years deep in knowing about traffic.

[Linkster]

Jay - that is exactly the problem - AVN is so out of touch with the "real webmasters" that they just jump on who they see posting the most on a particular board, or who touts themself as the leaders or gurus of the industry - and miss the boat in about 90% of their choices - the exceptions - GG being one, MML(although I dont remember if that was AVN or another show LOL) and a few rare others.
That said it goes a little deeper in that its pretty obvious that AVN doesnt really understand the web business other than their little niche of it (and based on changes I have seen over the years even that has been questionable) which is the adult video (hence the AV part of their name) end of things.
While to them that is a very important part of the game and it shows from their incorporation/melding of the AEE and Internext shows without thought of the consequences - it is not the "premier leading edge of the internet business" - (kinda paraphrased from their mission statement of Internext).
It is a very small part of the internet business as most of us understand - but in their sphere it is all there is.

Until AVN (if they really want to be taken seriously - which I still am not convinced of) makes a stand to promote the adult web business - and the whole business - this banter will continue in circles.

I understand people (like a good person such as Far-L - or even my fantastic great friend Aly) trying to step in and do something about bringing both ends in - but I think the part that gets missed is that even the combination of our little LL, TGP and SE biz combined with AVNs star video as well as Homegrowns amateur video - only scratches the surface of the adult internet business - sure its 30% of it - maybe But there is a world of WMs out there that get left out in this venture - and that is the major shame of all of this.

[Far-L]

Linkster: Many thanks for the compliment and your very succinct critique of the situation. This is the kind of feedback that AVN needs to hear.

GG: I have been on that end of the stick... Years ago when we hit a particular milestone and wanted AVN (the magazine for us brick and mortar folks) to do a piece on us being the longest running series, the editor at the time who didn't think much of us gave us one tiny paragraph that was headlined "Big fucking deal" - Then went on to describe how we had the longest running series in adult history.

Needless to say - as long time advertisers - we were pissed.

We went in and made our case and strengthened our relationship and learned to work with them. We have had smooth sailing since. AVN/AVN ONLINE/Internext have come through for us time and time again.

Oftentimes, as i am sure you already know, resolving adversities and overcoming problems in business and in friendship is where you learn real respect and lasting admiration.

I hope that AVN/Internext will respond to the positive criticism here and move forward with a new sense of mission and purpose - and stay current with the needs of the industry. I just hope everyone here will give them that chance.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Jay - that is exactly the problem - AVN is so out of touch with the "real webmasters" that they just jump on who they see posting the most on a particular board, or who touts themself as the leaders or gurus of the industry - and miss the boat in about 90% of their choices - the exceptions - GG being one, MML(although I dont remember if that was AVN or another show LOL) and a few rare others.
That said it goes a little deeper in that its pretty obvious that AVN doesnt really understand the web business other than their little niche of it (and based on changes I have seen over the years even that has been questionable) which is the adult video (hence the AV part of their name) end of things.
While to them that is a very important part of the game and it shows from their incorporation/melding of the AEE and Internext shows without thought of the consequences - it is not the "premier leading edge of the internet business" - (kinda paraphrased from their mission statement of Internext).
It is a very small part of the internet business as most of us understand - but in their sphere it is all there is.

Until AVN (if they really want to be taken seriously - which I still am not convinced of) makes a stand to promote the adult web business - and the whole business - this banter will continue in circles.

I understand people (like a good person such as Far-L - or even my fantastic great friend Aly) trying to step in and do something about bringing both ends in - but I think the part that gets missed is that even the combination of our little LL, TGP and SE biz combined with AVNs star video as well as Homegrowns amateur video - only scratches the surface of the adult internet business - sure its 30% of it - maybe But there is a world of WMs out there that get left out in this venture - and that is the major shame of all of this.

GG and I aren't even "the guys with the traffic" -- if you took both of our total traffic and multiplied it by 5 it still would be less than one of the major TGPS.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Yeah man -- I just caught that on the first page. Congrats on that BTW!

I do agree with you -- there should be some kind of compensation for doing the panel.

I've seen a lot of people on panels do what I like to call "live spam" -- where they don't offer any real information, but dron on and on about whatever it is they are trying to promote.

If AVN want people to educate the public...the people doing the educating should be compensated.

I don't know that everyone they picked for the pannel were the best choices, but I'm not going to get into the who and what so nobody gets offended...I can say one of the questionable coices was NOT Greenguy -- GG is at least 8 years deep in knowing about traffic.

Hope you don't mean me either...

I think I am slated to be on a panel about crossover of brick and mortar old timers getting on the internet and internet guys adding brick and mortar style product...

[MikeHawk]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Yeah man -- I just caught that on the first page. Congrats on that BTW!

I do agree with you -- there should be some kind of compensation for doing the panel.

I've seen a lot of people on panels do what I like to call "live spam" -- where they don't offer any real information, but dron on and on about whatever it is they are trying to promote.

If AVN want people to educate the public...the people doing the educating should be compensated.

I don't know that everyone they picked for the pannel were the best choices, but I'm not going to get into the who and what so nobody gets offended...I can say one of the questionable coices was NOT Greenguy -- GG is at least 8 years deep in knowing about traffic.

I can say one of the questionable coices was NOT Greenguy -- GG is at least 8 years deep in knowing about traffic.

hmmm Jay that is nonsense and bullshit, i contacted GG long long ago, he decided not take part or not even talk about what it was i wanted to run by him. You unlike him know what it is i have in mind and what AVN is trying to do.

I agree GG should be in this, he is not just for the very reason, he decided not to be on his own.

[MikeHawk]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I think I celebrated 1 year of not drinking on Tuesday

Congrats GG on your non drinking...this Jan 17 will be 17 years of non drinking and all that other shit too.

[Dr Bizzaro]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I think I celebrated 1 year of not drinking on Tuesday

I'll drink to that!

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by Dr Bizzaro

I'll drink to that!

Ill second that toast