Need help /raided and computers seized

tickler · 2005-11-19, 04:05 AM

Well it boils down to whether "sex" is involved or not.

webwoman · 2005-11-19, 04:21 AM

There is no sex involved at all ..

webwoman · 2005-11-19, 04:40 AM

there was no prostitution charge or arrest. Why do some of you here keep implying that. I'm amazed at the ignorance of people who have no understanding of how the bdsm community helps each other with donations so that we can keep our businesses and studios open. We are always willing to help others in the fetish lifestyle or not. I live the lifestyle and no one gets that..Why???
I guess i misjudged this adult fourm. I see that you sponser all kinds of fetish and mistress sites and earn money off them ..they are exact to mine ..are you saying that they dont take donations .Yes all Mistresses have people who donate to keep her sites and dungeon open.

GonZo · 2005-11-19, 05:23 AM

I want to make it clear.

I was sincere in the advice I was giving you. And I hope you have a first Amendment lawyer. If they rolled up a forensic van then rest assured there is a foresic data recovery tech or examiner already acquring the hard drives of your comptuer.

Every website that youve visted at least in the last 30 days will be found.

Depending on your email program every email that youve sent or been sent will be found.

In short whatever you were actually doing there [and I dont care] and if you kept a record on your computer...it will be brought to light. And thats just on your computer.

I dont care that you may or may not have been a hooker in the eyes of the law. [I do understand the community.]

I dont care that your sites fall into that extreme genere. Even though I do agree that they bring a lot of unwanted attention to this business its your 1st Amendment right to have them.

I dont care that your use of the Epassporte was also questionable which is going to make it harder in the long run for all merchants to use one...thats between you and Epassporte.

If you were seeking advice I will amend what I told you you might want to get 2 good lawyers. One of them better be a Free Speech or 1st Amendment lawyer and the other one needs to understand this industry and technology pretty well.

You've managed to come up on the local radar and if they have confiscated all of your gear then you can rest assured that they are coming after you with a crusade like youve never seen before. And based on the points Ive made above youve got a rough road to travel.

If you came here looking for any other assistance ... I find it curious. As a former board owner Ive seen a lot of people call for help over the years but have never participated in the community that they are asking help from. Im sure with your involvement in the B&D community you can appreciate why these members find it curious to say the least.

Nonetheless you have a long and rough road to travel in the legal world if you are as pristine as you say. Your time might be better served working with lawyers and the local B&D community.

If the courts clear your name....might I also suggest reading some of these board with a little more detail. Maybe attend a few industry shows and participate in the ethics seminar.

I do care that you have an affiliate program that solicits traffic from other webmasters yet you 'shave" the donations from the aforementioned traffic.

That certainly doesnt look very well in the eyes of the webmaster community.

fetish1 · 2005-11-19, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webwoman

I'm amazed at the ignorance of people who have no understanding of how the bdsm community helps each other with donations so that we can keep our businesses and studios open. We are always willing to help others in the fetish lifestyle or not. I live the lifestyle and no one gets that..Why???
I see that you sponser all kinds of fetish and mistress sites and earn money off them ..they are exact to mine ..are you saying that they dont take donations .Yes all Mistresses have people who donate to keep her sites and dungeon open.

Having been in the lifestyle for more years than I care to admit (unless of course I admit to getting involved in it at the age of 2) apparently things in CT are handled differently than they are in NC, TN, VA, Washington DC, IA, and ND, as I have NEVER dealt with a "donation" situation for scenes. A monthly cover charge for munches, and a cover charge to get into clubs yes, but donations to help someone keep their dungeon up? NO. Does that mean it's not possible that some people help each other out in a bind, of course not, but to assume that everyone in the lifestyle is a "pro" that charges/accepts donations is a falacy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

see this is where I think we are getting off the subject
From what webwoman said in her own words:
Originally Posted by webwoman -
they told me it was illegal to practice sadomasochism because it was a sex act the same as intercourse.
they told me spanking and any type of this play was prostitution.

THANK You Tommy! I thought perhaps I was seeing things as no one else has pointed that statement out. If she runs this out of her home following all guidelines and under a business license then she should have known the laws and they quoted her what is illegal - which happens to be something she charges a "donation" for...seems pretty clear.

GonZo · 2005-11-19, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fetish1

Having been in the lifestyle for more years than I care to admit (unless of course I admit to getting involved in it at the age of 2) apparently things in CT are handled differently than they are in NC, TN, VA, Washington DC, IA, and ND, as I have NEVER dealt with a "donation" situation for scenes. A monthly cover charge for munches, and a cover charge to get into clubs yes, but donations to help someone keep their dungeon up? NO. Does that mean it's not possible that some people help each other out in a bind, of course not, but to assume that everyone in the lifestyle is a "pro" that charges/accepts donations is a falacy.

THANK You Tommy! I thought perhaps I was seeing things as no one else has pointed that statement out. If she runs this out of her home following all guidelines and under a business license then she should have known the laws and they quoted her what is illegal - which happens to be something she charges a "donation" for...seems pretty clear.

And there goes the lifestyle/donation arguement.

2005-11-19, 04:05 AM	#1
tickler If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,177	Well it boils down to whether "sex" is involved or not. __________________ Latina Twins, Solo, NN, Hardcore Latin Teen Cash

2005-11-19, 04:21 AM	#2
webwoman Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 22	There is no sex involved at all ..

2005-11-19, 04:40 AM	#3
webwoman Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 22	there was no prostitution charge or arrest. Why do some of you here keep implying that. I'm amazed at the ignorance of people who have no understanding of how the bdsm community helps each other with donations so that we can keep our businesses and studios open. We are always willing to help others in the fetish lifestyle or not. I live the lifestyle and no one gets that..Why??? I guess i misjudged this adult fourm. I see that you sponser all kinds of fetish and mistress sites and earn money off them ..they are exact to mine ..are you saying that they dont take donations .Yes all Mistresses have people who donate to keep her sites and dungeon open.

2005-11-19, 05:23 AM	#4
GonZo You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta,Ga Posts: 893	I want to make it clear. I was sincere in the advice I was giving you. And I hope you have a first Amendment lawyer. If they rolled up a forensic van then rest assured there is a foresic data recovery tech or examiner already acquring the hard drives of your comptuer. Every website that youve visted at least in the last 30 days will be found. Depending on your email program every email that youve sent or been sent will be found. In short whatever you were actually doing there [and I dont care] and if you kept a record on your computer...it will be brought to light. And thats just on your computer. I dont care that you may or may not have been a hooker in the eyes of the law. [I do understand the community.] I dont care that your sites fall into that extreme genere. Even though I do agree that they bring a lot of unwanted attention to this business its your 1st Amendment right to have them. I dont care that your use of the Epassporte was also questionable which is going to make it harder in the long run for all merchants to use one...thats between you and Epassporte. If you were seeking advice I will amend what I told you you might want to get 2 good lawyers. One of them better be a Free Speech or 1st Amendment lawyer and the other one needs to understand this industry and technology pretty well. You've managed to come up on the local radar and if they have confiscated all of your gear then you can rest assured that they are coming after you with a crusade like youve never seen before. And based on the points Ive made above youve got a rough road to travel. If you came here looking for any other assistance ... I find it curious. As a former board owner Ive seen a lot of people call for help over the years but have never participated in the community that they are asking help from. Im sure with your involvement in the B&D community you can appreciate why these members find it curious to say the least. Nonetheless you have a long and rough road to travel in the legal world if you are as pristine as you say. Your time might be better served working with lawyers and the local B&D community. If the courts clear your name....might I also suggest reading some of these board with a little more detail. Maybe attend a few industry shows and participate in the ethics seminar. I do care that you have an affiliate program that solicits traffic from other webmasters yet you 'shave" the donations from the aforementioned traffic. That certainly doesnt look very well in the eyes of the webmaster community.