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[RawAlex]

Furrygirl, let me say this: If you stick with "boy meets girl, boy fucks girl" porn, with 2257 documentation, then all the BS that the government throws is BS. There are a few counties where that would still be an issue, but I don't mail or send physical media to these places, so there is very little chance of an issue.

However, if you, say, wrap a camera in plastic and pee on it and sell the tape, you might want to get a lawyers advice before you send that to many, many states and counties in the US. In fact, your local community standards might not even support that. Can you buy watersports videos at your local sex shop?

Could the images of you flashing in a public park be an issue? Did you get a location release?

Can you buy menstruation videos at your local store?

If you read the history of the smut business is America, you will see that the people taking the brunt of the government's agression are the people living on the edge, taking chances, and often in fact being ahead of the obscenity curve. They can nail you for all sorts of strange and normally unimportant laws, like zoning, public health, location permits, tax rules, and so on. Please consider the recent case of Goalie Entertainment, where charge after charge was piled on until a plea agreement (that involved closing many stores) was reached.

I appreciate your efforts, if only because the government sure ain't going to look at me for obscenity. You are one of the fastest cars on the highway, don't be surprised if you get a speeding ticket.

Alex

[Useless]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

You are one of the fastest cars on the highway, don't be surprised if you get a speeding ticket.

Damn, I love a good metaphor.

So rob, do you know the charges yet, or the charges they originally intending on bringing down on you? You said a lot about 2257, but then said your content wasn't an issue. Inquiring minds want to know. The fact that police would raid a pornographer's home doesn't shock me at all. It's the failure to inform you of their intent that I find disturbing. I'm just wondering if they did indeed have the legal documents necesary to perform the search.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'm just wondering if they did indeed have the legal documents necesary to perform the search.

You'll have to check with a lawyer but I don't think it matters if they have the docs if they failed to present them to you.

[webwoman]

Alex,

I see that you have a link site with the content on it that could be questionable.. Please words of advice…. check it. …You may have overlooked them when you put up your site. As far as the comments that you made about me, my sites, and my life has not changed my opinion about you or those like you. Your posts indicate not how you feel about me but how you view the world. I’m not your first crusade and won’t be your last.
It might be a good idea to read all your post not just in this thread but in all the ones you ever written. Here and anywhere else that you post. .understand.. That it’s not my intention to put you down or to make comments about you. But to only help you because my life has disturbed you at a level that’s not normal. Before I became a webmaster my job was to care for patients who had serious issues. You have made it your job to take on others problems which does not allow you time for your own.. That’s a hard life.
Good luck Alex I mean no harm.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by webwoman

Alex,

Your posts indicate not how you feel about me but how you view the world. I’m not your first crusade and won’t be your last.
It might be a good idea to read all your post not just in this thread but in all the ones you ever written. Here and anywhere else that you post.

You need to go back through this thread and soak in how many others said things like "I agree with you Alex" or "All your points are good Alex". The man has been giving you sound advice from the beginning of this thread you have chosen to fight instead of acknowledge it for what it is. YOU are the one who was raided and YOU are the one who seems to be all but oblivious as to why your home was raided. Others have chosen to misinterpret his words and that's what you are reading. He didn't call you a whore. He doesn't think that you are an evil person for enjoying your kink. He pretty much just said that you fucked up and it's not a huge surprise that you got snagged. The man is not a prude.

As to the content that you feel is questionable ON his link list, could you be more specific? You are talking about the single most legally anal webmaster I've met. (Sorry Alex )

[furrygirl]

Oh please, Alex, as though I need some TGP owner trying to tell me about RISK.

What on earth do you know about RISK?

A TGP owner is perhaps the most removed element in the entire adult industry and has nearly no vested interest in industry issues. Half the sites online could have their owners sent to prison for transmitting images to conservative areas where sodomy is illegal, and you'd just switch sponsor programs. You just link to things, you have no actual investment in any part of the process of creating porn. You're not a model, who could be stalked or killed by a crazy fan; you're not a photographer, who could be attacked by a jealous boyfriend or have the cops come over and inspect his home because someone told someone that he also has children, even though they've never been exposed to anything adult; you're not a site owner, you don't have to worry about being prosecuted for the content you feature or worry about charge backs and script kiddies fucking with your site.

Until you have even the tiniest grasp of what it means to take *risks* as a part of the adult industry, please, stick to the things you do know something about.

As a model and performer, photographer, webmaster, business-owner, and adult novelty retailer, MY LIFE IS RISK. I live with that every single day, and I am fully aware of the implications of everything I do. I have devoted more than three years of my life to making porn that is often "risky".

Originally Posted by RawAlex

However, if you, say, wrap a camera in plastic and pee on it and sell the tape, you might want to get a lawyers advice before you send that to many, many states and counties in the US. In fact, your local community standards might not even support that. Can you buy watersports videos at your local sex shop?

Where do you get that I send people watersports tapes in the mail? I have pee videos and pictures on my site, and offered one to Emmanuelle. It's not some secret dirty thing, but thanks for expressing enough interest in me to read all of my posts and thoroughly inspect my free tour.

And yes, I can buy or rent piss videos here in Seattle, we are a city of perverts and queers. We even have an amateur porn film festival and a ton of adult-oriented clubs and events.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Could the images of you flashing in a public park be an issue? Did you get a location release?

As someone else brought up on this thread, perhaps even in response to you, you are in no place to bitch at anyone about things like location releases if you haven't seen documentation that all the porn on your TGP was shot in places where the property owner signed a contract to allow adult material to be shot there. You're grasping at straws, you might as well have found the photos in my members area where I'm standing in the middle of an empty road and accuse me of jaywalking.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Can you buy menstruation videos at your local store?

No, but I'd like to change that. If I ever make a DVD for EroticRed.com, I'll be out there the next day talking to local stores to carry it and hope they'll join me in fighting bullshit.

I understand that people like you can't understand big complicated concepts like "ethics" and "sexual freedom", since those things don't have affiliate programs with $40 PPSs. But, to people like me who do care about things other than money, sexual freedoms and ethics are incredibly important, perhaps *the most* important thing. I will continue fighting anti-menstruation hysteria, despite the fact that I know better than you do that I could well go to prison for it. And you know what? Fighting sexism and promoting health sexuality is *that* important to me. Finding a wonderful controversial way to stir debate between indie pornographers and "regular" women about our bodies and our sexuality is *that* important to me. Making porn that doesn't deny actual female experiences is *that* important to me.

But go on, keep believing that "legitimate" porn is where girls are throat-fucked until the vomit and cry, and menstruating pussy on a nude model is an abomination. I don't expect you to change your point of view.

I can't remember who said it, but there's an old quote about how attitudes never actually change about anything, and that the only way we progress as a society is as the old guard dies out. Well, say hello to little Furry Girl, the next generation of smut-peddlers, catering to the next generation of smut customers.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I appreciate your efforts, if only because the government sure ain't going to look at me for obscenity.

Which just proved my original point even more: people in your removed-from-everything situation care fuck-all about the other people in the industry or about general sexual freedoms or first amendment issues, you're simply looking out for yourself. Well, I actually take pride in my work and believe in what I'm doing on a higher level than making money, I'm not just linking to people who are taking all the risks for me.

You're like a chubby kid saying that you're thrilled that a fatter kid has moved to your school this year, so people will pick on him instead- hell, even you can pick on him, too! Some day, some of you might realize the truth in the old adage of

First they came for the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews but I was not Jewish so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

When you get your way, and all the big bad evil people like myself are in prison, who's head do you think will be next on the block?

[webwoman]

Thank you for your continued efforts in your views on the adult industry. It could certainly use more people like you.
i'm in 100% agreement.
webwoman

[Linkster]

Ummm furrygirl - I dont think Alex meant anything like what you interpreted it as First off I dont believe he even owns a tgp - and yes he does shoot content - and as far as the "scene" and involvement with some of the most far away from center stuff - Ive always known him to be extremely accepting and never prejudging whatsoever. I guess maybe I just read his posts in a different light than you did as I believe he was just responding to the small amount of facts that were actually put out here.

Im pretty sure that Ive been around the BDSM scene and involved in everything from munches to local area clubs - to the largest play clubs and private gatherings for probably about 20 or 30 years longer than anyone that posts on this board. I can also tell you that even within that framework there are always going to be a few that decide to go a little beyond what even the "scene" community would normally involve themselves in (furrygirl - not pointed at you as I see what you do as perfectly within standard realms and not "out there" at all)
I also think that there are some political forces that arent being discussed here that are at play - the only reason I bring that up is that a member of a top national anti-obscenity group happens to be located very near where this "event" occured that was originally posted - and the day it happened was also the day that their head player was testifying in congress about their anti-porn efforts

To summarize - furrygirl - I dont think that you would have the same feelings/thoughts about Alex if you ever sat down and talked to him one-on-one - doing this on a board is tough as its hard to get the "jist" across properly I really dont think that he was "looking down his nose at anything"

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Ummm furrygirl - I dont think Alex meant anything like what you interpreted it as First off I dont believe he even owns a tgp - and yes he does shoot content - and as far as the "scene" and involvement with some of the most far away from center stuff - Ive always known him to be extremely accepting and never prejudging whatsoever. I guess maybe I just read his posts in a different light than you did as I believe he was just responding to the small amount of facts that were actually put out here.

Im pretty sure that Ive been around the BDSM scene and involved in everything from munches to local area clubs - to the largest play clubs and private gatherings for probably about 20 or 30 years longer than anyone that posts on this board. I can also tell you that even within that framework there are always going to be a few that decide to go a little beyond what even the "scene" community would normally involve themselves in (furrygirl - not pointed at you as I see what you do as perfectly within standard realms and not "out there" at all)
I also think that there are some political forces that arent being discussed here that are at play - the only reason I bring that up is that a member of a top national anti-obscenity group happens to be located very near where this "event" occured that was originally posted - and the day it happened was also the day that their head player was testifying in congress about their anti-porn efforts

To summarize - furrygirl - I dont think that you would have the same feelings/thoughts about Alex if you ever sat down and talked to him one-on-one - doing this on a board is tough as its hard to get the "jist" across properly I really dont think that he was "looking down his nose at anything"

Damn it Linkster... your fucking up my photo shoot for Vegas!

[Linkster]

Gonzo - just wear that pink fur coat and those pretty underwear and Im sure we can set up something - we should be able to get a good photoshoot on that - hmm I wonder if that last set is still around

[domweb]

What furrygirl said.

Whoah. Most righteous.

Pissed off women don't normally do anything for me...but damn if I don't have a hard on.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Oh please, Alex, as though I need some TGP owner trying to tell me about RISK.

What on earth do you know about RISK?

A TGP owner is perhaps the most removed element in the entire adult industry and has nearly no vested interest in industry issues. Half the sites online could have their owners sent to prison for transmitting images to conservative areas where sodomy is illegal, and you'd just switch sponsor programs. You just link to things, you have no actual investment in any part of the process of creating porn. You're not a model, who could be stalked or killed by a crazy fan; you're not a photographer, who could be attacked by a jealous boyfriend or have the cops come over and inspect his home because someone told someone that he also has children, even though they've never been exposed to anything adult; you're not a site owner, you don't have to worry about being prosecuted for the content you feature or worry about charge backs and script kiddies fucking with your site.

Until you have even the tiniest grasp of what it means to take *risks* as a part of the adult industry, please, stick to the things you do know something about.

As a model and performer, photographer, webmaster, business-owner, and adult novelty retailer, MY LIFE IS RISK. I live with that every single day, and I am fully aware of the implications of everything I do. I have devoted more than three years of my life to making porn that is often "risky".

Where do you get that I send people watersports tapes in the mail? I have pee videos and pictures on my site, and offered one to Emmanuelle. It's not some secret dirty thing, but thanks for expressing enough interest in me to read all of my posts and thoroughly inspect my free tour.

And yes, I can buy or rent piss videos here in Seattle, we are a city of perverts and queers. We even have an amateur porn film festival and a ton of adult-oriented clubs and events.

As someone else brought up on this thread, perhaps even in response to you, you are in no place to bitch at anyone about things like location releases if you haven't seen documentation that all the porn on your TGP was shot in places where the property owner signed a contract to allow adult material to be shot there. You're grasping at straws, you might as well have found the photos in my members area where I'm standing in the middle of an empty road and accuse me of jaywalking.

No, but I'd like to change that. If I ever make a DVD for EroticRed.com, I'll be out there the next day talking to local stores to carry it and hope they'll join me in fighting bullshit.

I understand that people like you can't understand big complicated concepts like "ethics" and "sexual freedom", since those things don't have affiliate programs with $40 PPSs. But, to people like me who do care about things other than money, sexual freedoms and ethics are incredibly important, perhaps *the most* important thing. I will continue fighting anti-menstruation hysteria, despite the fact that I know better than you do that I could well go to prison for it. And you know what? Fighting sexism and promoting health sexuality is *that* important to me. Finding a wonderful controversial way to stir debate between indie pornographers and "regular" women about our bodies and our sexuality is *that* important to me. Making porn that doesn't deny actual female experiences is *that* important to me.

But go on, keep believing that "legitimate" porn is where girls are throat-fucked until the vomit and cry, and menstruating pussy on a nude model is an abomination. I don't expect you to change your point of view.

I can't remember who said it, but there's an old quote about how attitudes never actually change about anything, and that the only way we progress as a society is as the old guard dies out. Well, say hello to little Furry Girl, the next generation of smut-peddlers, catering to the next generation of smut customers.

Which just proved my original point even more: people in your removed-from-everything situation care fuck-all about the other people in the industry or about general sexual freedoms or first amendment issues, you're simply looking out for yourself. Well, I actually take pride in my work and believe in what I'm doing on a higher level than making money, I'm not just linking to people who are taking all the risks for me.

You're like a chubby kid saying that you're thrilled that a fatter kid has moved to your school this year, so people will pick on him instead- hell, even you can pick on him, too! Some day, some of you might realize the truth in the old adage of



When you get your way, and all the big bad evil people like myself are in prison, who's head do you think will be next on the block?

Damn Alex... I think she just paddled your ass! Can I get pics in Vegas? But I aint paying $300!!!