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Old 2005-12-11, 10:07 AM   #1
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Hey Stiff,
Funny how you don't mention anywhere on your site that you blacklist, and promote blacklisting of webmasters who have links to sites that teach people how to make money from porn. After all, isn't that exactly what you do.

I am considering putting together a blacklist of TGP owners. You know the kind that stab good honest people in the back. The kind that blacklist submitters without good cause.

I have NEVER cheated, and NEVER will. BTW, most of the "cheaters" out there are not noobs.

I have been doing this for about 4 months and have not made anywhere near 40k a month. I never expected to. I was and am very realistic about my expectations on this business. What I did not expect was someone like you trying to screw me over because I tried to sell the program that brought me in.

I'm with you JDS, only a bit newer. But I'm not going anywhere. I have made some money with this and I have done it honestly. I will continue to learn and earn.
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Old 2005-12-11, 11:24 AM   #2
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Old 2005-12-11, 12:21 PM   #3
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Hey Stiff,
Funny how you don't mention anywhere on your site that you blacklist, and promote blacklisting of webmasters who have links to sites that teach people how to make money from porn. After all, isn't that exactly what you do.

I am considering putting together a blacklist of TGP owners. You know the kind that stab good honest people in the back. The kind that blacklist submitters without good cause.

I have NEVER cheated, and NEVER will. BTW, most of the "cheaters" out there are not noobs.

I have been doing this for about 4 months and have not made anywhere near 40k a month. I never expected to. I was and am very realistic about my expectations on this business. What I did not expect was someone like you trying to screw me over because I tried to sell the program that brought me in.

I'm with you JDS, only a bit newer. But I'm not going anywhere. I have made some money with this and I have done it honestly. I will continue to learn and earn.

Since you're admittedly new to the business I'm going to take a few minutes to give you some information that you certainly didn't get from whoever tried to give you the five minute course on adult webmastering. I'm a smart ass, but please understand that nothing below is intended to be sarcastic or insulting...I just don't have the time to sugarcoat it all so here goes:

There is no such thing as "honest easy money" in porn. Anyone who tells you different is lying to you. The site you're promoting looks like absolute hell in Firefox, and FF is quickly becoming the browser of choice for adult webmasters because it isn't nearly as vulnerable as IE. The only time I ever open IE is to check my own sites and make sure they look right in IE as well. If you looked at the page you're promoting in Firefox you wouldn't even be able to read half of it, and you would see that you've got someone trying to teach you how to be a webmaster doesn't even bother with one of the most fundamental rules of being a webmaster: make sure your sites look good in all the major browsers.

In case you're wondering, I can tell you why you got blacklisted: Private Whois info. If you continue submitting to Link Lists and TGPs with private whois info, you'll end up blacklisted at all of them. Hidden Whois info in our business is usually a clear sign of a cheater. DO NOT use private domain registration. If you're afraid that somebody might find out you're an adult webmaster you may want to give this line of work some second thoughts.

Your 2257 link on that gallery would get you 5 years in a federal prison. You are not "Rage Cash". You must keep YOUR OWN records and publish the address where YOU keep those records. 2257 is a big hairy mess that I won't even try to explain at length, but if you do a board search for "2257" at any adult webmaster board you'll get an encyclopedia back that waters down to this: Consult your own adult industry attorney to see what you need to do in your situation.

Your gallery also scrolls horizontally at 800x600 screen resolution, which is an instant decline at most TGPs. It seems you weren't taught to read the rules of every TGP you submit to.

Most of us get irritated by any program that promises to teach people how to make money from porn because most of them ARE ONLY OUT TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK FOR THEMSELVES. They didn't even take the time to teach you how to keep your ass out of jail with 2257 or keep yourself from getting universally blacklisted because of private whois info. Anyplace you haven't been blacklisted already just hasn't noticed (i.e. you slipped through the cracks).

Sites like the one that got you make life more difficult for everyone in this business who takes submissions of galleries or free sites, because they give everyone who falls for their sales pitch a false sense of what you need to do to make money and what is and isn't acceptable in this industry. Submitters are the lifeblood of a Link List or TGP, and we (as a group) have absolutely nothing against new people getting into the biz. The problem is that at least some of what these scammers teach is just plain wrong.

Look at the situation right here. You came to one of the best boards in the biz and flamed someone for blacklisting you without even taking the time to find out why you were blacklisted. You probably wouldn't have done that if you'd come into this biz any way other than the way you did.

Want to learn how to make money on porn? Start spending some time on boards like this one and ask questions. This is the only business I've ever been in that has a huge number of veterans willing to give newbies any help they take the time to ask for. You'll get honest answers from experienced people that aren't trying to sell you something.

My suggestion to you is to post your "hello" in this thread http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=26580 , become a part of the community and start reading and asking questions. The board archives here are FREE, the help from the veterans is FREE, and it's worth one fuck of a lot more than any ebook.

So I'll say "welcome to the board, feel free to have a look around FOR FREE and learn how to make money on porn."

I'll be happy to go on at greater length, but I won't take the time to unless I know you're listening

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Old 2005-12-12, 11:03 AM   #4
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Since you're admittedly new to the business I'm going to take a few minutes to give you some information that you certainly didn't get from whoever tried to give you the five minute course on adult webmastering. I'm a smart ass, but please understand that nothing below is intended to be sarcastic or insulting...I just don't have the time to sugarcoat it all so here goes:
Well put, MadMax. Thanks for taking the time to explain a few of the real basics. But yeah, know-it-alls probably aren't gonna be listening.
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Old 2005-12-11, 05:01 PM   #5
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Hey Stiff,
Funny how you don't mention anywhere on your site that you blacklist, and promote blacklisting of webmasters who have links to sites that teach people how to make money from porn. After all, isn't that exactly what you do.
I don't teach people to make money from porn. And I do make money from it myself, although it will take some time to earn back the investments I made.

And it's basic TGP policy that porn content should promote porn sites. Surfers are looking for erotic content. If they were looking for a new job, they would be surfing to monster.com
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Old 2005-12-11, 05:04 PM   #6
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Not True

Well, thats not exactly true since I found them by surfing for porn.. Many others have found them the same way. Most are people tired of the 9-5 grind looking for a way out of it.
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Old 2005-12-12, 02:24 PM   #7
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And it's basic TGP policy that porn content should promote porn sites. Surfers are looking for erotic content. If they were looking for a new job, they would be surfing to monster.com
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