2257 and live chat?

[Hammer]

I think people make 2257 a lot more difficult than it really is.

1. Do you show naked people on your website partcipating in sexually explicit conduct?
2. You need to comply with 2257.

Like Greenguy said, obviously a member is not content on your website, you are only responsible for the people that perform on cam.

Now, I guess it's possible that your members could be using cams of their own so your cam operators can see them, but since they aren't content on your website, it wouldn't matter.

[Wazza]

You own a paysite yet you wouldn't have the first clue about 2257... seriously, for your own protection - ask that lawyer about your entire operation...

[Talleyrand]

Hi Hammer.
I want to make a directory with a lot of links, but the images will be only banners or pics 2257.
Must I have some records? Can I go to jail for it? T.I.A.

Talleyrand

Originally Posted by Hammer

I think people make 2257 a lot more difficult than it really is.

1. Do you show naked people on your website partcipating in sexually explicit conduct?
2. You need to comply with 2257.

Like Greenguy said, obviously a member is not content on your website, you are only responsible for the people that perform on cam.

Now, I guess it's possible that your members could be using cams of their own so your cam operators can see them, but since they aren't content on your website, it wouldn't matter.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Talleyrand

Hi Hammer.
I want to make a directory with a lot of links, but the images will be only banners or pics 2257.
Must I have some records? Can I go to jail for it? T.I.A.

Talleyrand

If the new law goes thru, yes.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Talleyrand

Hi Hammer.
I want to make a directory with a lot of links, but the images will be only banners or pics 2257.
Must I have some records? Can I go to jail for it? T.I.A.

It depends on the images you use. You can link to all the hardcore sexually explicit content you want if you do it with text links or softcore banners and images, and avoid the 2257 issue entirely.

2257 applies only to 'sexually explicit' content that is actually on your own domain. Many sponsors are providing softcore banners for their affliates to use.

[Talleyrand]

Originally Posted by Hammer

It depends on the images you use. You can link to all
the hardcore sexually explicit content you want if you do it with text links or softcore banners and images, and avoid the 2257 issue entirely.

2257 applies only to 'sexually explicit' content that is actually on your own domain. Many sponsors are providing softcore banners for their affliates to use.

Ah! I just was thinking to change from adult industry to another!

My idea is to have only text links and banners very softcore, (like some ll), because only text is not nice.

Thank you very much.

Talleyrand

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Hammer

2257 applies only to 'sexually explicit' content that is actually on your own domain. Many sponsors are providing softcore banners for their affliates to use.

Some sponsors are now providing hot-linkable hardcore banners, which according to them bypasses your need for 2257 requirements. Now to see if the LL will allow us to hot-link banners from another domain.

Originally Posted by CamZ_Dan

We are a plug in so all of the content is displayed on our URL therefore you have no 2257 obligation and can still have the live content that your members are wanting.

I know me and RawAlex went back and forth a few times over this issue as to whether iFraming actually moves the content off your domain, and thus negates the 2257 requirements. So do you and your lawyers feel that this is a way to avoid the problem?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Talleyrand

Hi Hammer.
I want to make a directory with a lot of links, but the images will be only banners or pics 2257.
Must I have some records? Can I go to jail for it? T.I.A.

Talleyrand

2257 really only applies to Americans. If you reside in another country, you don't have to worry about it.

[Talleyrand]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

2257 really only applies to Americans. If you reside in another country, you don't have to worry about it.

My sites are in USA and I want to work in accord with the law of USA.

Talleyrand

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Talleyrand

My sites are in USA and I want to work in accord with the law of USA.

Talleyrand

But the question is, my dear friend, where are YOU? Where the content is hosted doesn't matter. If you are a citizen of another nation living in that nation, not the U.S., then you really don't have to worry about 2257. There are Americans who think they can avoid 2257 by hosting elsewhere, but that won't save them. The U.S. can only apply their laws to those residing in the U.S. They cannot go to your country with a search warrant from an American court and ask to see your 2257 records off of U.S. soil. You are safe from 2257.

[Hammer]

If you live outside the U.S. but host in the U.S. you will have to comply if the law goes through as is because the DOJ will simply have your site shut down if you don't. I doubt if the DOJ would even have to force the host to shut your site down, the hosting company simply wouldn't host any site that didn't comply with the law, no matter where the owner lived. Do you think hosting companies want to deal with the government because one of their clients refuses to follow the law?

The same is true of anyone that uses a U.S. based company to handle their processing. Right now, ccBill will not host your site if it does not contain a 2257 statement listing the custodian of records. If you live outside the U.S. you also need to host and process outside the U.S.

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

2257 really only applies to Americans. If you reside in another country, you don't have to worry about it.

What if I ever want to visit the US? They could possibly hold my name and info and refuse entry? not grant me a visa maybe...

I guess if the new law goes through, non-American hosts will have a ball. Silly how the American government is driving business away...