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[fatum]

I think "sandbox" is the delay between your domains addition to the index and pagerank calculation... New sites have 0 pagerank and no matter how much inbound links you have it still takes 2-3 months to have a decent PR. At least thats the case for me...

[Mattinblack]

Yeah the buzz is that Google are fed up with the wannabe internet entrepeneurs who are on the get rich quick schemes, put up a site expecting the world to beat a path to their door, read the SE optimisation articles that are 12 months out of date and submit to loads of SE's then pull the site when they still only have 100 visitors a day and no income after 2 months work. By the time google indexes the site it no longer exists or has never been maintained. So now they wait to see if the site is gonna hang around and apply a 'maturation' formula during pagerank so they dont serve a top 20 page thats not there any more (this happens a lot with MSN).

[Halfdeck]

Fix your HTML: "http://validator.w3.org/" Validation may not help, but it won't hurt either.

[Allfetish]

I think "sandbox" is the delay between your domains addition to the index and pagerank calculation... New sites have 0 pagerank and no matter how much inbound links you have it still takes 2-3 months to have a decent PR. At least thats the case for me...

This is what I have heard and experienced as well. Some people say the sandbox is about 6-9 months however.

[Mattinblack]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

This is what I have heard and experienced as well. Some people say the sandbox is about 6-9 months however.

My Guru who gets paid megabucks (not by me!) for seo told me that for a new site OR new index page in a subdirectory or a new subdomain (Tip dont submit index pages in sub-directories to google! Have the index pages in case people nav to the directory by accident but never link to them from anywhere and dissalow them in Robots Txt.)

Within 1-2 Weeks - crawled complete site, indexed and cached top level only. You will be able to see site name, and description snippet if you search for the URL.

From here on site gets crawled every 7-14 days to see how often/whether its updated. Until:

Depending on demand/supply for site theme as assessed by googlebot.
6wks -12wks site fully indexed and incoming/outgoing links checked - note not ranked! Will appear in searches for minority keywords ("suckmyass" and "pornogirl" etc) when search engine gets desperate.
Certain subjects such as Medical, Computer Security and Scientific sites seem to be immune to this.

From here-on an aging/updating algorithm seems to be applied. Updating frequently seems to reduce the waiting time till the algorithm evaporates as does your site being repeatedly found by surfers
on the SE.

Time to full ranking 5-9 months UNLESS your page is in exceptionally high demand ie you ARE Brittany Spears or Harry Potter. OR possibly if your main keeywords are so obscure google only has a few sites on those searches.

Yeah it sucks. Plus I did a google search on one of my more critical keywords (ukescort) on google yesterday and found so many obvious spammers added since xmas that I reckon its not working! It was so bad I spent about a half hour going through the first six pages and emailed google with a long list of obviously auto generated spamsites.

For an Old Site then it will get re-indexed as often as Google has observed it changing. If you want to force a re-index then if you have an XML sitemap on Google Sitemaps resubmitting with the last changed date equal to the day of submission seems to get you re-indexed within 24 hours so long as you already have a sitemap with Google. Otherwise manually resubmitting your site works within one to two weeks.

[Allfetish]

VERY nice info! Thank you for sharing those details, I'm learning.

Originally Posted by Mattinblack

Time to full ranking 5-9 months UNLESS your page is in exceptionally high demand ie you ARE Brittany Spears or Harry Potter. OR possibly if your main keeywords are so obscure google only has a few sites on those searches.

Sounds like our sources mostly are in agreeance then on that.

Homage to the Google gods- order finally within the seeming neverending chaos!

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by Mattinblack

(Tip dont submit index pages in sub-directories to google! Have the index pages in case people nav to the directory by accident but never link to them from anywhere and dissalow them in Robots Txt.)

True, linking to index.htm/html can cause a havoc.

Note: Don't rely solely on robots.txt since Google likes to ignore it in some cases.

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

True, linking to index.htm/html can cause a havoc.

Note: Don't rely solely on robots.txt since Google likes to ignore it in some cases.

What is the reason for this? Possibly the rewriting of the url in regards to duplication? e.g.

www.somedomain.com/dir/
www.somedomain.com/dir/index.html

This is interesting if I read it right as I know many linkslists prefer an index.html reciprical link, so as to help somewhat with discouraging doorway submissions.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

This is interesting if I read it right as I know many linkslists prefer an index.html reciprical link, so as to help somewhat with discouraging doorway submissions.

Yeah! This was what I was thinking too!

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Mattinblack

new index page in a subdirectory or a new subdomain (Tip dont submit index pages in sub-directories to google! Have the index pages in case people nav to the directory by accident but never link to them from anywhere and dissalow them in Robots Txt.)

OOOOppps! Didn't know, never heard ths one! Any more info on how google sees index pages in subdirectories. Why they have a problem with this since it is a well know method to keep surfers where they belong?