Building a relationship with reviewers

[weirdharold]

accept/reject emails are one thing I really miss as most LL don't bother with them anymore, especially the reject emails. Useless it is good to know you still go to all the trouble.

[Surfn]

I don't send either accepted or rejected emails. However, the link to this board is there and my appeal to anyone with questions to ask them here.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by weirdharold

Useless it is good to know you still go to all the trouble.

It's no trouble at all. I have three options when reviewing: accept, reject silently, reject and notify. I hardly ever reject silently. That's for special situations. I sometimes write a little note during rejection, but many times the problem can't be summed up in just a few words, so I leave the comment area blank. But, my rejection emails do give the recipient a link to the specific thread where they can post inquiries. On the board, I respond pleasantly and honestly and so does the submitter. We can all get nasty behind closed doors. Hence, no replies to emails.

I have no qualms with lists that choose not let you know if you have been listed, but I know that it's a big pain in the ass to go searching to see if your sites are listed. I can't say much about other site's policies without stepping on anyone's fat little piggies, so I'll shut up about that.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

If you can find out what is flawed in your sites, you will begin to build better sites that are more widely accepted. Secondly, you may be making some major mistakes and don't even realize it. Plus, when we know WHO you are, we have been known to let the minor things slide. Just show us that you care about what you do.

I feel that bears repeating.

But again, 90%+ submitters to my site set my notification's to off, so either they can't figure out to click the button that says set it to on or they don't care to hear why the sites been rejected.

And as a couple of builder's out there know, if they build good honest free sites and make a mistake, most of the time I'll email them to ask them to change the bad link or whatnot and leave it in pending rather then reject it outright.

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Preacher

...as a couple of builder's out there know, if they build good honest free sites and make a mistake, most of the time I'll email them to ask them to change the bad link or whatnot and leave it in pending rather then reject it outright.

Ditto

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Preacher

I feel that bears repeating.

But again, 90%+ submitters to my site set my notification's to off, so either they can't figure out to click the button that says set it to on or they don't care to hear why the sites been rejected.

And as a couple of builder's out there know, if they build good honest free sites and make a mistake, most of the time I'll email them to ask them to change the bad link or whatnot and leave it in pending rather then reject it outright.

I will honestly say out of all the LL I submit to I love your account section the best. It provides me with more then enough info about my submitted sites and their status. Just a sweet script you have there.
Now for me when I get a rejection (not many but there are a few) I have to be worried about asking why on this board. Here's my take on it. I submit a site to 20 LL, I get listed on a few with in the first day or so. Next day I get a rejection. I don't think it's wise for me to advertise that someone rejected me before I get all my mails back or at least run through my checks to see out of the 20 which ones have listed me. I do not want to give any other LL owner ideas from someone else. I mean if someone comes here and asks GG why they did not get listed an he puts up his answer. How many LL owners go back and check their site for that persons submit and how many don't take the next submit from that person or look way to hard at the page before approving? Just my toughts, 1 or 2 rejections is worth forgetting about. I email back the WM and ask what the issue is and then go an fix it. But honestly I dont think it's to smart to advertise you are not getting listed for a few sites. Now if you are constantly being rejected by everyone then you need to post and find out what you are doing wrong.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I will honestly say out of all the LL I submit to I love your account section the best. It provides me with more then enough info about my submitted sites and their status. Just a sweet script you have there.
Now for me when I get a rejection (not many but there are a few) I have to be worried about asking why on this board. Here's my take on it. I submit a site to 20 LL, I get listed on a few with in the first day or so. Next day I get a rejection. I don't think it's wise for me to advertise that someone rejected me before I get all my mails back or at least run through my checks to see out of the 20 which ones have listed me. I do not want to give any other LL owner ideas from someone else. I mean if someone comes here and asks GG why they did not get listed an he puts up his answer. How many LL owners go back and check their site for that persons submit and how many don't take the next submit from that person or look way to hard at the page before approving? Just my toughts, 1 or 2 rejections is worth forgetting about. I email back the WM and ask what the issue is and then go an fix it. But honestly I dont think it's to smart to advertise you are not getting listed for a few sites. Now if you are constantly being rejected by everyone then you need to post and find out what you are doing wrong.

I think you're being a bit paranoid here Jugg

Using GG as an example, he lists some sites that I don't, I list some sites that he doesn't. We've got different rules and standards on some things...so although it's entirely possible (and common) for submitters to build free sites that pretty much everyone will list, there are exceptions to that too. For example, GG won't list anything with vid caps. I will list sites with HIGH QUALITY vid caps, but they've got to be good enough to be above my personal standards

Personally, I rarely read the "why wasn't this listed" threads except for my own, and I know quite a few others do the same thing. I trust in my own judgement while reviewing, so I don't second guess myself just because someone else declines a site

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by MadMax

I think you're being a bit paranoid here Jugg

I would be inclined to agree. There is human nature to think that what he describes does happen, and indeed it probably does;very rarely. In actuality the different Linklist often have rules that which vary considerably. Especially in regards to questions such as "what is a blindlink?" or "What are the content requirements?". Everyone has their own opinion on these things and so they run things accordingly.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I mean if someone comes here and asks GG why they did not get listed an he puts up his answer. How many LL owners go back and check their site for that persons submit and how many don't take the next submit from that person or look way to hard at the page before approving?

Now, if someone asks why they are blacklisted at the big sites, I do take a look just to see if it's something I blacklist for. But I'm like MadMax in that I don't usually read all that many rejection threads for other lists. Even when I do, I don't often see the same things that the other reviewers do. We all catch different things. If someone gets snagged by another reviewer for having 4 links out on gallery 2, do you think I'm really going to take my time to go back and delete their site? Hell no. Smart submitters will fix the issue that caused the decline anyway.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Now, if someone asks why they are blacklisted at the big sites, I do take a look just to see if it's something I blacklist for. But I'm like MadMax in that I don't usually read all that many rejection threads for other lists. Even when I do, I don't often see the same things that the other reviewers do. We all catch different things. If someone gets snagged by another reviewer for having 4 links out on gallery 2, do you think I'm really going to take my time to go back and delete their site? Hell no. Smart submitters will fix the issue that caused the decline anyway.

This is absolutely true

I almost never look at other sites decline threads. And even if I do happen to notice that one of my submitters has been declined elsewhere...it makes no difference to me unless the submitter has gone over to the dark side.

Besides, posting site rejection questions in the forums helps everyone in the long run. Smart submitters learn from the mistakes of others and get sites listed more consistently and link lists get cleaner reviews. Ahhh...there's that symbiotic thing again

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I will honestly say out of all the LL I submit to I love your account section the best. It provides me with more then enough info about my submitted sites and their status. Just a sweet script you have there.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I mean if someone comes here and asks GG why they did not get listed an he puts up his answer. How many LL owners go back and check their site for that persons submit and how many don't take the next submit from that person or look way to hard at the page before approving?

Perfect example. Cleo --if I recall correctly -- & I both said we'd love to see you submit sites to our webcam directories with webcam screenshots. Greenguy not accepting that kind of content is not going to change my opinion that those make for excellent free-sites for advertising your webcam sites, and I'll list those till the cows come home.

Again, this goes back to the premise of this whole thread...it's about relationships. You asked first, and got our advice and input and we've even traded messages about your free-sites going down temporarily. You're a perfect example of creating relationships and how they are beneficial to both parties.