So, I have been thinking about this Cambria Struggles in Senate Porn Hearings

RawAlex · 2006-01-25, 04:07 PM

SirMoby, I fear that you are correct. Some people are almost certainly attempting to manipulate the system to get their product to be the prefered system, thus making a total ass load of money.

It is also clear to me that most of the major studios and larger "name" membership sites don't feel that they would be major losers if free online porn went away. In fact, I am sure that most of them feel that they would profit directly from the removal of free sites, galleries, and TGPs. These woul often be the people that Cambria would be speaking to, and their slanted view of the world can change what it is that is said in public.

Any system for filtering that requires any registration or logging of pages is an unreasonable burden. Any system that requires payment, a credit card, or other action that requires registration by the end client is a unreasonable restriction of free speech (one of the reasons COPA keeps failing).

As a free site webmaster, I am loath to have to go back and register each page I make with ICRA or to make every site into some sort of AVS site that profits a third party. I also feel that this sort of "top down" order within the US would have only the effect to move porn offshore and not limit or restrict it in the slightest. Companies and sites would move to better jurisdictions, and because the net knows few boundries, the porn would still be there, and the children would still have access and nothing will have changed. The USA law makers need to realize that the tail cannot wag the dog, even if the tail is a really big tail.

Alex

plateman · 2006-01-25, 04:27 PM

well here we go again.... time to worry again? does anyone think this sort of regulation will be drawn out for years or sooner?

the US GOV in there attempt to clean-up porn on the internet and keep it away from minors is a good idea... but the whole world is not gonna go along with it... and look at most adult owners with children using the pc at home most wont even maintain there system or even update to a browser that would filter out porn content...

Also what is the most likely future of our biz we built up?

SirMoby · 2006-01-25, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by plateman

well here we go again.... time to worry again? does anyone think this sort of regulation will be drawn out for years or sooner?

the US GOV in there attempt to clean-up porn on the internet and keep it away from minors is a good idea... but the whole world is not gonna go along with it... and look at most adult owners with children using the pc at home most wont even maintain there system or even update to a browser that would filter out porn content...

Also what is the most likely future of our biz we built up?

That's all very true but I don't care. I've labeled everything on all of my servers so if parents want to take the time to protect their kids they can.

I would also like to organize, motivate and get moving a solution that would allow more webmasters to more easily label sites and create a website to educate parents in blocking adult sites.

Sure some stuff will slip through but does that mean that we shouldn't accept responsibility and that we should not put forth some effort?

LowryBigwood · 2006-01-25, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMoby

I would also like to organize, motivate and get moving a solution that would allow more webmasters to more easily label sites and create a website to educate parents in blocking adult sites.

Quick question SirMoby.

Would all pages need a label directly within the page?

Would it be possible to submit your domain to a database or something that is setup to hold adult urls, that is checked as surfers browse sites?

For example, maybe a parent could go to the site that is setup to provide info and how to protect their children literature. If they chose to use the technology, they could download your software and install it, that then queries the database when browsing sites for possible adult domains. If it finds that it is an adult site, maybe it could permantly block it, where it would no longer query that domain if attempting to suf it, but just block it out.

I don't know too much about databases, not much at all in fact, so this could be not even possible to do. Or it may cause severe slowdown when browsing.

If this could work, once you submitted the root level domain, it could automaticaly assume any subdomains or directories on that domain are therefore adult as well.

This probably is the dumbest idea yet. But, If I hadn't of ran out of

yesterday, I could of probably been a lot more creative.

walrus · 2006-01-25, 06:56 PM

Interesting were having this debate when in the court rooms pedophiles are getting almost no punishment.

In Wisconson

In Vermont

In Mass.

LowryBigwood · 2006-01-25, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by walrus

Interesting were having this debate when in the court rooms pedophiles are getting almost no punishment.

In Wisconson

In Vermont

In Mass.

That is sickening. Wtf is wrong with these judges?

SirMoby · 2006-01-25, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Quick question SirMoby.

Would all pages need a label directly within the page?

Would it be possible to submit your domain to a database or something that is setup to hold adult urls, that is checked as surfers browse sites?

Right now it's not difficult to use ICRA labels across your entire server or domain. When it's server based you register 1 url and then add it can be added to all domains on the same server.

There's no need to download any software if they're using IE because it's built in. I think if it requires additional software then it's too difficult for parents to use and someone has to maintain that software.

As pointed out by a few others meta tags would be best but I think we need to start educating people on ICRA labels and present a better alternative fast.

Bill · 2006-01-25, 08:26 PM

I don't see why ICRA is in any way preferable to using meta tags. If we are going to invest energy into something why not pick the better technology first?

I'm not familiar with how the current blocking softwares work - but many of us already put metas on every page to help blocking softwares. How do we find out wether the blocking softwares are reacting to these common metas?

SirMoby · 2006-01-25, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill

I don't see why ICRA is in any way preferable to using meta tags. If we are going to invest energy into something why not pick the better technology first?

ICRA labels are not a preferred method but 95% of the computers in homes today support the ICRA labels. Meta tags are far easier and a preferred method but I don't think IE supports them out of the box.

My suggestion is that we make the FSC and the Senate aware that ICRA labels exist but are not a good long term solution and promose the meta tags. Until then, we should support the use of ICRA labels as a temporary solution that needs to be updated.

LowryBigwood · 2006-01-25, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by plateman

well here we go again.... time to worry again? does anyone think this sort of regulation will be drawn out for years or sooner?

Seems like the normal thing to do in this biz. Everytime I start making progress, something new comes along that threatens to wipe out my entire adult biz.

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Originally Posted by plateman

the US GOV in there attempt to clean-up porn on the internet and keep it away from minors is a good idea... but the whole world is not gonna go along with it... and look at most adult owners with children using the pc at home most wont even maintain there system or even update to a browser that would filter out porn content...

This is what gets me too. All the U.S. govt is going to succeed in doing is putting out a lot of hard working American adult webmasters. There will still be loads of free porn everywhere, thus not solving anything. I'm not sure what the government is smoking, but it's gonna be some heavy duty stuff.

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Originally Posted by plateman

Also what is the most likely future of our biz we built up?

I can't speculate on that, but suddenly mainstream seems so appealing.

2006-01-25, 04:27 PM	#2
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2006-01-25, 04:07 PM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	SirMoby, I fear that you are correct. Some people are almost certainly attempting to manipulate the system to get their product to be the prefered system, thus making a total ass load of money. It is also clear to me that most of the major studios and larger "name" membership sites don't feel that they would be major losers if free online porn went away. In fact, I am sure that most of them feel that they would profit directly from the removal of free sites, galleries, and TGPs. These woul often be the people that Cambria would be speaking to, and their slanted view of the world can change what it is that is said in public. Any system for filtering that requires any registration or logging of pages is an unreasonable burden. Any system that requires payment, a credit card, or other action that requires registration by the end client is a unreasonable restriction of free speech (one of the reasons COPA keeps failing). As a free site webmaster, I am loath to have to go back and register each page I make with ICRA or to make every site into some sort of AVS site that profits a third party. I also feel that this sort of "top down" order within the US would have only the effect to move porn offshore and not limit or restrict it in the slightest. Companies and sites would move to better jurisdictions, and because the net knows few boundries, the porn would still be there, and the children would still have access and nothing will have changed. The USA law makers need to realize that the tail cannot wag the dog, even if the tail is a really big tail. Alex

2006-01-25, 08:26 PM	#8
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I don't see why ICRA is in any way preferable to using meta tags. If we are going to invest energy into something why not pick the better technology first? I'm not familiar with how the current blocking softwares work - but many of us already put metas on every page to help blocking softwares. How do we find out wether the blocking softwares are reacting to these common metas?