How many link lists do you submit to? - Page 2

plateman · 2006-02-07, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I'm not saying to loosen the rules but some people decide they have to explain the rules with three pages of writing. Why? lol. Just take a look at Tommy's Bookmarks rules...it fits into a few lines and runs right next to his submit.

You go to some smaller LL and it's like reading the declaration of independence. There's been a few smaller linklists that went to such length to explain their rules that I had to cut & copy it into MS Word just to see the word count on it...the highest so far was 4,000 words.

The thing is, they were the exact same rules that apply at Tommy's or RR's...why did it take 4000 words to say it? Then when they change their rules, etc, they wonder why no one took notice that one sentence in the novel got changed.

hehe true and I am gonna cut mine down and get rid of the no brainer stuff that people should know..

also I submitt to 16 to 18 LL on one page and doorways are not in my free site model, for extra traffic I sub to tgps

also there are many factors in figuring out who to sub to and is it worth building another mirror page for recips.. I have a larger size LL with smaller traffic than the bigger LL, but going by the sales I get and the growing traffic I am seeing, I would most surely submitt to smaller LL, over time you adjust some, and some of the most older LL dont have a huge blast of traffic that I sub to but I know for a fact those send sales..

what did MML tell me awhile back, oh he said "you cant cash stats just checks.. hehe

Mr. Blue · 2006-02-07, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by plateman

hehe true and I am gonna cut mine down and get rid of the no brainer stuff that people should know

lol yours is actually not that long. Some are just amazing in length...they're awe inspiring.

Preacher · 2006-02-07, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

If a small link list had a general recip, easy to submit rules that follow Tommy's or RR, updated their site regularly, and tried to foster a good relationship with their submitters, they would have a loyal following of submitters.

So why am I not seeing your submissions then?

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Originally Posted by plateman

what did MML tell me awhile back, oh he said "you cant cash stats just checks.. hehe

Awesome quote! One I need to remember being a stat junkie myself.

Mr. Blue · 2006-02-07, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Preacher

So why am I not seeing your submissions then?

I actually added you to my submit list 3 weeks ago lol...but been busy building up my tgps and blogs, so no time for freesites...but I added you when I read in one thread you went to a single recip

Jel · 2006-02-08, 12:49 AM

Mr. Blue - I also have a one-does-all recip - would love to see your sites

http://www.cfnmparty.co.uk/submissions/

ladydesigner · 2006-02-08, 08:58 AM

I too have went with the "one recip" for Click 4Sex Fun. Of course, the niched recips are still available for those that would like to use them. I've also shortened my rules pages on both my ll to 9 rules instead of about 25.

Beaver Bob · 2006-02-08, 09:33 AM

I submit to 16-20 Link Lists depending on the niche

japamor · 2006-02-08, 12:14 PM

Hi All
Interesting thread. I've cut down from 120 LL's to about 80. I regularly check the stats and constantly revise my Recip grids. Some LL's I submit to for no other reason than they post on this board and have only just started. But then I'm a big softy

I'm really surprised that so many of you only sub to under 20 LL's. Am I not right in thinking that some of the smaller, established LL's submit quality traffic although low in actual quantity?

Xeno · 2006-02-08, 08:02 PM

One thing to keep note on the smaller LL's....things change and if these webmasters constantly work on their LL's, eventually, they will grow and become bigger, if not one of the biggest. Things take time and if someone sees low traffic from a few, they might think this is it for the rest of their life...you'd hate yourself if you dumped low traffic LL's, only to find out a year later they are bringing in HUGE traffic after a year of working hard.

I know there are some LL's who only focus on their own site only and see submitted sites as just filler with traffic for their own affiliates. This kind of thinking is where the small peeps will not last. I know for my directory, I work like 12 hours a day (especially with the new version coming) focusing on design, features, traffic, and of course, methods to help webmasters make money with sites they submit to 69toplinks. Focusing on helping the webmaster, will in the long-run, help the directory.....I believe in Karma.

The hard part for webmasters though is to decide on which LL's and directories to keep in their recip tables. I'd say just go on gut feeling, customer service from LL's (this is a business), quality of site, features offered, tools that LL's offer to help you, etc...

I still believe and agree that its not necessary to have a huge list of LL's to submit too. Start with a big batch but over time (I'd say a year), begin to edit out the ones that just don't seem to be going anywhere.

Beaver Bob · 2006-02-08, 10:23 PM

I simply don't have the time to submit to 100 Link Lists. I'm lucky to do 4 sites a week as it is, and already found the ones that send me good traffic. I then use the galleries i build for the free sites on a few good TGPs, and that is a much better way to spend that time, IMO.

MadMax · 2006-02-09, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

lol yours is actually not that long. Some are just amazing in length...they're awe inspiring.

I have no idea who you might be talking about

MadMax · 2006-02-09, 01:03 AM

The best advice for a new free site builder is to submit to at least 50 or 60 for a couple months at least...until they learn who will send THEM traffic. There are some niche LLs and niches on smaller LLs that don't send a ton of traffic, but they're highly targeted.

If you build 6 or 7 mirrors full of the smaller LLs they'll be happy to have the submissions and are more likely to list you, especially when you're still learning how to build free sites. Once you start seeing some sales, check the referring URLs from your sales to start narrowing down who is sending the QUALITY traffic in that niche. I've had mirrors that only got a couple hundred hits a month total from small LLs that still made sales

Fonz · 2006-02-09, 04:03 AM

My autosubmitter says I submit to 450+ LL's

No serious, 39 LL's on my submit list.
And I really think we should group all these "to how many LL's do you submit" posts together...

2006-02-08, 08:58 AM	#31
ladydesigner ~Serving Up Sinful Sex ~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Missouri City, Texas Posts: 1,928	I too have went with the "one recip" for Click 4Sex Fun. Of course, the niched recips are still available for those that would like to use them. I've also shortened my rules pages on both my ll to 9 rules instead of about 25. __________________ Porn Pixie XxX ~ Looking for Link Trades

2006-02-08, 09:33 AM	#32
Beaver Bob Porn Blog Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 715	I submit to 16-20 Link Lists depending on the niche __________________ Need Custom Content? Spunky Dollars

2006-02-08, 12:14 PM	#33
japamor I Love Turkish Delight, they're very moreish. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 578	Hi All Interesting thread. I've cut down from 120 LL's to about 80. I regularly check the stats and constantly revise my Recip grids. Some LL's I submit to for no other reason than they post on this board and have only just started. But then I'm a big softy I'm really surprised that so many of you only sub to under 20 LL's. Am I not right in thinking that some of the smaller, established LL's submit quality traffic although low in actual quantity? __________________

2006-02-08, 08:02 PM	#34
Xeno Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 494	One thing to keep note on the smaller LL's....things change and if these webmasters constantly work on their LL's, eventually, they will grow and become bigger, if not one of the biggest. Things take time and if someone sees low traffic from a few, they might think this is it for the rest of their life...you'd hate yourself if you dumped low traffic LL's, only to find out a year later they are bringing in HUGE traffic after a year of working hard. I know there are some LL's who only focus on their own site only and see submitted sites as just filler with traffic for their own affiliates. This kind of thinking is where the small peeps will not last. I know for my directory, I work like 12 hours a day (especially with the new version coming) focusing on design, features, traffic, and of course, methods to help webmasters make money with sites they submit to 69toplinks. Focusing on helping the webmaster, will in the long-run, help the directory.....I believe in Karma. The hard part for webmasters though is to decide on which LL's and directories to keep in their recip tables. I'd say just go on gut feeling, customer service from LL's (this is a business), quality of site, features offered, tools that LL's offer to help you, etc... I still believe and agree that its not necessary to have a huge list of LL's to submit too. Start with a big batch but over time (I'd say a year), begin to edit out the ones that just don't seem to be going anywhere. __________________ Why I never sleep anymore... Web Designing

2006-02-08, 10:23 PM	#35
Beaver Bob Porn Blog Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 715	I simply don't have the time to submit to 100 Link Lists. I'm lucky to do 4 sites a week as it is, and already found the ones that send me good traffic. I then use the galleries i build for the free sites on a few good TGPs, and that is a much better way to spend that time, IMO. __________________ Need Custom Content? Spunky Dollars

2006-02-08, 12:49 AM	#30
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	Mr. Blue - I also have a one-does-all recip - would love to see your sites http://www.cfnmparty.co.uk/submissions/

2006-02-09, 01:03 AM	#37
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	The best advice for a new free site builder is to submit to at least 50 or 60 for a couple months at least...until they learn who will send THEM traffic. There are some niche LLs and niches on smaller LLs that don't send a ton of traffic, but they're highly targeted. If you build 6 or 7 mirrors full of the smaller LLs they'll be happy to have the submissions and are more likely to list you, especially when you're still learning how to build free sites. Once you start seeing some sales, check the referring URLs from your sales to start narrowing down who is sending the QUALITY traffic in that niche. I've had mirrors that only got a couple hundred hits a month total from small LLs that still made sales

2006-02-09, 04:03 AM	#38
Fonz Former pr0n slinger. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 7,932	My autosubmitter says I submit to 450+ LL's No serious, 39 LL's on my submit list. And I really think we should group all these "to how many LL's do you submit" posts together... __________________ See how I abuse little trees on my Shumi no Bonsai Blog