Last Night's Radio Show....Next Week's Radio Show

[DJilla]

FG you're bogus.
You need to talk a walk around the block... and apoligize.
Next bogus post you write do it in notepad, save it for the next day and then read it. Doubt you'll want to send it. If you still do, you're still bogus.
Business is about people. Some you don't like. You still do business.
Business is about competition. Never give others the club.
I don't know why I like you without ever having spoken to you.
Maybe its because you're so damned bogus.
Your're really bogus.

[Useless]

For the next radio show, I think there should be callers who discuss why I am an asshole. I tend to disagree with FurryGirl's comments, but I usually stay the hell away from the threads she's involved in because she turns them to shit. So why bother? But I want to go on the record as formally being in disagreement with her. I guess that makes me an asshole and well worth a solid hour of the listeners' time.

Also, will someone explain to me when it became a crime to suggest that person's comments shouldn't be taken too seriously since they are only 21? I'm sure that none of you view 21 year-olds as immature and inexperienced in life. Perhaps I stand alone in that view. When I was 21, I thought I knew everything, just like I did when I was 17, and 15, and 10, and so on. Of course, I now realize that I didn't know dick.

Should we pre-emptively apologize to Torn for any statement we make about Furrygirl? Why? Maybe I missed the part of the radio show where he and Trixie apologized to those of us who like Alex, SirMoby, Walrus, and Surfn. Could someone find that soundbite for me? If someone chooses not to like me due to the fact that I think Furrygirl is a dumb kid, well...fuck them.

Now damn it, I deserve a good radio show bashing!
(and you don't have to be politically correct when talking about me because I'm not a torch-carrying feminist)

[Dr Bizzaro]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Of course, I now realize that I didn't know dick.

Oh come on.... no one knows dick, quite like you.

So i hear.....

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Dr Bizzaro

Oh come on.... no one knows dick, quite like you.

So i hear.....

That's not fair. I was drunk, lonely, and vulnerable that night.

[swedguy]

Thread bookmarked for masturbatory purposes.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

For the next radio show, I think there should be callers who discuss why I am an asshole.

There's a few things you need to do before you'll even be considered.

• You have to support Maninism - Kind of like Feminism in reverse
• Once you openly pledge your support for Maninism, SirMoby will come along and tell you, "Let's keep Maninism out of this topic"
• From there you need to get really defensive and offended. Make sure you take everything as a personal attack and make sure you drink enough coffee because hell hath no fury like a UW hopped up on caffeine.

Do those three things, get the thread to around 7 pages, and you might be considered a profitable talk show guest because you know GG&J is trying to replace David Lee Roth on Free FM, I'm just saying, talent scouts are listening. I have faith in you UW..you can do it

[Cleo]

This thread is useless without a lot more misogynistic, misandry, blood, and debasement by all.

[plateman]

well I been reluctant to post about this, but IMO both sides have dragged this whole furry girl thing way out, far beyond just a disagreement, shit coming on the last radio show I seen a discussion on the subject and I made a few harmless jokes and got told to "eat shit and die" so ok I said I was sorry and even twice and sent a pm and was ignored, thats ok I can live with someone not liking me... or think I am a asshole..

furrygirl I don't know or care how large your program is but you come off as your better than most because of your opinnions, then you say your biz model doesnt include LL and tgps... I dont know how your getting traffic(I am sure you have some)but IMO your killing alot of it by having this drawed out thing with rawalex(could be anyone)

also why did you come here? to post and spread your oppinions and/or to network with others to grow your program? I dont know how much you know about how much a program can make... but I know one thing for sure its who's your friends, how many free site builders building free sites for your program and how many LL sites have your links, can = a shit load of money... if you dont care about how much you can make... then posting on any adult webmaster your oppinions is a waste of time IMO, what is gonna come out of it....you know... do you think you can make people think different....

also I can agree with most of what you say and I agree with the opposition also..

but bashing and name calling and making enemies over something like this is crazy....

maybe alex and a few others were harsh towards your oppinions but I am sure that it wasnt personal...

I myself like you and think you can make a ton IF you play your cards right....

Maybe we all sometimes FORGET that this great board is a place to learn and make friends, and share info on how to protect our business and figure out ways of getting more or new traffic.... this board isnt a place to loose friends or contacts or be labled as a goof ball(no intention to furry girl)

[Halfdeck]

Furrygirl, I like you. But there's a reason why you are getting bashed in this thread and its not because people disagree with your opinions. It's because you have a habit of resorting to name calling and turning threads into a pissing match. And when you piss in the wrong direction, you are going to get bashed.

Writing posts that basically say "I'm right, you're wrong and you're an idiot for believing you're right" is just going to rub people the wrong way. Voice your opinion, attack ideas (not people). We get more mileage out of sharing different ideas than arguing over who is right. Believing there's one right answer to every question in itself is ludicrous.

It might be hard to believe, but some people on this board dig your site. Some people even agree with your message. But NO ONE will take your side against GG & Jim.

[MeatPounder]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

For the next radio show, I think there should be callers who discuss why I am an asshole.
Now damn it, I deserve a good radio show bashing!
(and you don't have to be politically correct when talking about me because I'm not a torch-carrying feminist)

Errr, UW the show is only 1 hour long

[walrus]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

(and you don't have to be politically correct when talking about me because I'm not a torch-carrying feminist)

Cool but I cant think of a single fucking thing to call you that you wouldn't actually like

[Bill]

I like furrygirl. But then, I've always dug feminist chicks. Feisty chicks too. More fun to talk with, better in bed.

A lot of what she says is interesting and worth thinking about. She gets off track talking about "TGP" and suchlike, but how many people could stay on message with a dozen big angry guys jumping on their head?

I still don't get why she is being treated like a threat. Is she a cheater? not as far as I can tell. A spammer? Don't look like it to me.

What's the big fucking problem?

Okay, so she doesn't argue her points as well as she could, but as has been pointed out, she's young. How many people here could argue well at her age? Not too many, would be my guess.

This has not been GG&J's finest hour.

Personally, I think this whole ruckus should be dropped as a bad deal for everyone involved.

Please think about letting it go. At least, keep it on the issues.

[Toni KatVixen]

Originally Posted by Bill

I like furrygirl. But then, I've always dug feminist chicks. Feisty chicks too. More fun to talk with, better in bed.

A lot of what she says is interesting and worth thinking about. She gets off track talking about "TGP" and suchlike, but how many people could stay on message with a dozen big angry guys jumping on their head?

I still don't get why she is being treated like a threat. Is she a cheater? not as far as I can tell. A spammer? Don't look like it to me.

What's the big fucking problem?

Okay, so she doesn't argue her points as well as she could, but as has been pointed out, she's young. How many people here could argue well at her age? Not too many, would be my guess.

This has not been GG&J's finest hour.

Personally, I think this whole ruckus should be dropped as a bad deal for everyone involved.

Please think about letting it go. At least, keep it on the issues.

Very well put.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Bill

What's the big fucking problem?.

Here's the big fucking problem. I couldn't have cared less about Furrygirl or any of the on-board arguements she found herself in UNTIL two people thought it necessary to go on air to give voice to Furrygirl's name calling and opinion twisting. That sort of performance creates the situation where sides are taken and lines are drawn.

Originally Posted by Bill

Personally, I think this whole ruckus should be dropped as a bad deal for everyone involved.

I think there should have been apologies after that show, yet I don't see them forthcoming.

[Greenguy]

How many times do I have to apologize?

I had no major problem with furrygirl either until this last post. I've said all along that I can see both sites of the argument, but I don't feel nearly as strongly about one side or the other as those involved do.

[Bill]

Apologies is an interesting idea. But apologies from who?

Furrygirl had nothing to do with that show. (Altho if she was there she probably would have put her foot in her mouth, I'll grant that.)

Seems like you should be mad at Greenguy first, Torn second, and Trixie a distant third.

Me, I don't really know who Trixie is - I consider her a guest who probably doesn't have a clear idea of the conventions and unwritten laws here. If she thinks Alex is a woman-hater, well, so what?

I love Alex. He's a brilliant guy, and I respect intelligence. But there wasn't a lot of prestige to be gained in this fight, no matter how it went. What's to be gained in beating a 21 year old small scale amatuer?

All the real issues here have been drowned in the noise.

[RawAlex]

I said I won't put anything more in here, but honestly, everyone has long since missed the point.

It isn't about opinions on the matter at hand. Everyone had an opinion, everyone's opinion is right to themselves, and very likely most of the opinions expressed have at least some validity is reality. We all very likely have some part of the truth of the matter and there you go.

However, that isn't the issue.

The issue is a one sided hatchet job, name calling, belittling comments, insults, and the willingness by one person to take a personal behind the scenes discussion that I liken to email or ICQ, and bring it into the public forum.

Greenguy, you are responsible only that you gave two people with a hate filled agenda a forum and a method to express those hateful thoughts, and in some manner legitimized them by doing so. That nobody from this board has taken these people behind the electronic woodshed for a switching leads me and others to consider that those comments may have been at least somewhat sanctioned or encouraged.

I have not seen any apology forthcoming from any of the parties involved except yourself, greenguy, and you know I have long since accepted your apology without issue.

Others apparently don't feel any need, and that is truly sad.

I came to this board to do business and advance my business interests. That is why I am still here. When we get back to business, I will be back to business.

Alex

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Bill

Seems like you should be mad at Greenguy first, Torn second, and Trixie a distant third.

I'm not angry at the Green one and he certainly has no reason to apologize to we listeners. I think he should have moderated the show better by reproaching Torn and Trixie - yes, but he didn't do any name calling.

I was surpised by Trixie's tone. She always seemed much more level headed and intelligent on the board. She was the one accusing Alex of twisting Furry's words, but she was doing the same damned thing to him on the show.

I think Torn was way the the hell off base. Here's the base. Torn was way overrrrrr there. He didn't seem to have anything to offer the show other than his opinion that Alex is an asshole. At least Trixie has something to say, even if she based much of it off her own misinterpretations of board posts.

Originally Posted by Bill

I love Alex. He's a brilliant guy, and I respect intelligence. But there wasn't a lot of prestige to be gained in this fight, no matter how it went. What's to be gained in beating a 21 year old small scale amatuer?

Gain? Do you think he expresses himself for gain? What do you have to gain by asking these questions? What do I have to gain by replying? If was limited to posting for gain, I'd have been finished thousands of posts ago. The man expressed his opinion on the board and was treated to a very one-sided bashing by two people on the radio show in return.

Originally Posted by Bill

All the real issues here have been drowned in the noise.

Did you listen to that show? The issue was "Alex is an asshole."

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Did you listen to that show? The issue was "Alex is an asshole."

So this WHOLE thing is based on the fact that Torn said this and Trixie said something along the lines that she didn't Alex and what he said (and SirMoby and a few others if I remember correctly).

So what. Torn doesn't like Alex and Alex doesn't like Torn. Who the fuck cares. (I like you both)

Alex wasn't on the show. Greenguy said sorry. Noone said anything other than hey I don't like that guy. Who cares. Alex already knows this but for someone reason this thread is still going???

Jesus people give it a rest. Someone made some comments about someone when they weren't there to defend themselves. I bet that's never happened before.

And comments made in private (ICQ or whereever) have NOT come out so can we all stop referring to them every 3rd post. Someone called someone something that someone didn't like and now someone doesn't like someone or the people that someone is associated with.

[Useless]

Fine, fuck it. For me, it's unacceptable for one of my friends to publicly trash another friend without cause. Loyalty never ceases to fuck me all up. Screw it. I don't understand how you guys just sit on the sidelines, acting all uninterested when your friend gets fucked. I don't get you people, but like I said - fuck it.

Warrior out.

[RawAlex]

Ramster, I made no direct comments in public about FG's age.

I know where Torn and Trixies comments on that subject come from, and so do you.

I don't care about Torn one way or another. As I have said to others, I had long since adapted the "leave the past in the past" and honestly thought things had settled down. Heck, I apologized to everyone in the know last weekend that Torn had chosen not to come to the superbowl party. I am more than man enough to have paid little or no attention to him and nothing would have come of it.

The sleeping dog lied until Torn came out on the air, claimed there was some big conspiracy that lead to "feminism" being one of the topics for the show, and called me pretty much everything in the book.

I did nothing except be offended. I am the injured party. I got attacked for no reason, and I am just suppose to sit there and take it?

I am a pretty peaceful guy, but I ain't nobody's shit dumpster.

Alex

[Bill]

Apologies for not quoting as well as you do, UW.

Actually, I did kinda tune out during much of the Trixie portion of the show. She said she was sick, she apparently had been called pretty much by surprise. There was the text chat going on and I focused on that.

The thing is, Alex is a tough guy. I figured he could take a little bashing, and that it wouldn't hurt him or his reputation that much. My reaction was on the order of "Okay, this person thinks Alex is a such and such, but so what?". People are allowed to think other people are so-and-sos. It doesn't hurt Alex in the eyes of the majority of the community.

As I see it, all of this stems from a bitter argument in earlier threads, and most of the smoke and flame we are seeing started earlier, which is why things got so heated now.

The issues in that earlier argument, which were primarily about cc processing for fringe sites and who should speak for the webmaster community, have gotten lost, because the dispute became emotional.

Because it got emotional, and all tied in with feminism and the roles of women, it only took a small miscalculation during the radio show to start up a big fire again. And now we are all suffering, and friends feelings have been hurt.

I thought Greenguy was just being polite when he allowed Trixie to talk so long. I think he thought, like I did, that Alex was tough enough that it wasn't a threat, that it was interesting and controversial content, and that Trixie was an inexperienced guest and that she should be allowed to speak her mind.

Greenguy may not have known just how bitter some of this fight had become in earlier threads.

Oh, and about the "gain" - yes, I totally think Alex posts for gain, just as I do, just as you do, every word is crafted for gain. If only the gain of the pleasure of self-expression. But, you gain prestige points every day for posting like you do, and those prestige points can be traded for business success. So, yeah, I stand behind my talk of gain.

[Mr. Blue]

Bill, I agree, Alex is tough and he can handle himself, but if you post on forums that's exactly what you have to be, tough and that standard has to apply to everyone regardless of age, experience level in the adult biz, or gender. People will disagree with you, people will argue with you, and that's just the way forums are...if you don't have a thick skin, don't post on forums.

The last post FG made in this thread pretty much summed up how she tends to handle forum posting. She may have a beef with RawAlex, it might be genuine, but her shotgun approach of insulting RawAlex often ends up hitting a whole other group of people and soon she's alienated anyone that might have agreed with her.

[Chop Smith]

I am sick of the entire Furry Girl/Raw Alex drama that has continued for months. Both are coming up losers in a pissing contest that should have ended long ago. Blame it on Bush, who is a man and an American, and move on.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

How many times do I have to apologize?

I had no major problem with furrygirl either until this last post. I've said all along that I can see both sites of the argument, but I don't feel nearly as strongly about one side or the other as those involved do.

I feel the same...
The only 2 people I care about in the conversation is Alex and Torn. I read this thread 13 mins before the show and had no idea what would happen. Alex and I have had disagreements but that's all they were. Both views have been expressed, names were called and feelings have been hurt. Worst of all is Greenguy and I have been dragged into this for no reason other than not hanging up on both Torn and Trixxie during the radio show. And neither of really know how to do that It was a miricle that we got them both on

Friday, I was going to ban Furrygirl for her comments about GGandJ. I still might...I guess we will see. But it sure did seem a lot more business like around here before she showed up.

I have asked for people to act professional and not call eachother names. That has not happened.

Depending on how this day goes, there probably will be some banning being done. I am just tired of it.