Why sites like Sleep Assualt are a bad idea

RawAlex · 2006-03-01, 11:09 AM

Tigermom, I think the issues comes because some people can't tell the difference and try to turn the harmless sexual fantasy into reality with an unwilling third party.

We know that everyone gets paid, everyone signs a model release, and everyone is old enough and willing. But the general public doesn't, and telling them about it could in fact kill the fantasies of the 99% of clients who are not going to have an issue with the stuff.

It is a really difficult situation.

How many people died from lying in the middle of a highway after that college football movie? There are just enough people dumb enough to try something to make it a problem.

Alex

Seska · 2006-03-01, 05:13 PM

As pornographers we walk a very delicate and dangerous line. Many of our consumers want to believe what they see. They want the sex to be real, the arousal to be real, the pain to be real, etc... They want us to be different from mainstream Hollywood productions (with its stunt people, saftey measures and well rescted actors).

With the Internet, as well as adult video companies (especially those workign in the fringe areas of the industry) it is hard for the general public to know what is acting and what is not. That can increase people's interest in a product or it can turn them off. Some people want it to be very clear that what they are seing is safe, sane and consenual (and accept it is a fantasy version of sexuality), while others want the exact oppositie or at least hope for the illusion of the opposite.

Like Alex said there are a bunch of porn consumers who don't care one bit about the well being of performers or the porn industry in general as long as they get off on what they see.

MrYum · 2006-03-01, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Seska

As pornographers we walk a very delicate and dangerous line. Many of our consumers want to believe what they see. They want the sex to be real, the arousal to be real, the pain to be real, etc... They want us to be different from mainstream Hollywood productions (with its stunt people, saftey measures and well rescted actors).

With the Internet, as well as adult video companies (especially those workign in the fringe areas of the industry) it is hard for the general public to know what is acting and what is not. That can increase people's interest in a product or it can turn them off. Some people want it to be very clear that what they are seing is safe, sane and consenual (and accept it is a fantasy version of sexuality), while others want the exact oppositie or at least hope for the illusion of the opposite.

Like Alex said there are a bunch of porn consumers who don't care one bit about the well being of performers or the porn industry in general as long as they get off on what they see.

Good points Seska

There are some that push the limits too far however. Last night, I rejected a drunk girls site. While I don't like those sites period. This one was way over the line. The free site and the paysite both made it quite clear that the girl was in fact being fed booze to make her compliant. Okay, that's pretty much the focus of most of those sites...which is why I don't personally peddle that stuff. But yea...it's fantasy...it's not real...etc..

The real difference was noticed when I watched a couple of the sponsor watermarked video clips on the free site. Either this girl was an amazing actress (not likely)...or she REALLY was falling down drunk. At one point, as the guy was trying to get her to suck his cock...she was saying something to the effect of "I don't want to". Of course the guys kept pushing until she complied. In the other clip I watched...the girl could barely keep her balance on hands and knees...the guy was kinda shoring her up as he fucked her. This girl was obviously polluted out of her mind...you could see it on her face...not fantasy...reality.

This mysoginistic kind of shit that calls consent into question is bad for the business

Toolz · 2006-03-07, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MrYum

Good points Seska

There are some that push the limits too far however. Last night, I rejected a drunk girls site. While I don't like those sites period. This one was way over the line. The free site and the paysite both made it quite clear that the girl was in fact being fed booze to make her compliant. Okay, that's pretty much the focus of most of those sites...which is why I don't personally peddle that stuff. But yea...it's fantasy...it's not real...etc..

The real difference was noticed when I watched a couple of the sponsor watermarked video clips on the free site. Either this girl was an amazing actress (not likely)...or she REALLY was falling down drunk. At one point, as the guy was trying to get her to suck his cock...she was saying something to the effect of "I don't want to". Of course the guys kept pushing until she complied. In the other clip I watched...the girl could barely keep her balance on hands and knees...the guy was kinda shoring her up as he fucked her. This girl was obviously polluted out of her mind...you could see it on her face...not fantasy...reality.

This mysoginistic kind of shit that calls consent into question is bad for the business

Beyond that and I'm not a content producer but I'm about 99% sure that people under the influence of drugs/booze aren't required to fullfill a contract in this case the contract that she signed for the content to be produced, thus all content would be deemed illegal if the actress ever decided to persue action against the producers.

MrYum · 2006-03-07, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Toolz

Beyond that and I'm not a content producer but I'm about 99% sure that people under the influence of drugs/booze aren't required to fullfill a contract in this case the contract that she signed for the content to be produced, thus all content would be deemed illegal if the actress ever decided to persue action against the producers.

I don't know the legal ramifications of this type of 'content'. Frankly, I have a difficult time even referring to this crap as content. I would suspect you're right though...if a model ever pursued legal action, someone's ass would be in a sling.

I've always thought the issue of consent was absolutely critical in this business. The two words that have been my motto since getting involved in adult are 'consenting adults'. Anytime either of those words are called into question, it's got bad things written all over it...and not something I'd touch with the proverbial 10 foot pole. Given the current political climate, I think this 'so drunk we can make her do anything' kind of crap just gives more ammunition to the other side

karomesis · 2006-03-07, 05:02 PM

so long as individuals are reluctant to accept responsibility for their actions, they will, given proper training, attempt to blame their behavoir on anything and everything. Hey I robbed a bank because venus was out of alignment with pluto, or my father beat me when I was a child.So long as there are self righteous peoples, there will be individuals who disagree with one particular deviancy or another. There are some women who enjoy with great pleasure being chocked in order to orgasm intensely, it should be their perogative to do so, and no ones business but theirs if they suffer a mishap in the process. I enjoy driving cars very, very fast, If I die in a horrible wreck, It is my problem not anyone elses.

To those of you who believe that this "type" of site offers the requisite ammunition for prohibition, I will only say that the line is forever being changed, I am sure hugh heffner could speak on this peculiar phenomenon, in his heyday he was a veritable monster for revealing of all things; a breast|shocking| now it has come to this. They will ALWAYS look for an excuse to prohibit what they do not agree with, be it "sleepattack" sites or womens faces in the middle east. I know from experience, as I had the unfortunate occurence of being a fundamental baptist a few years ago> It was only my insatiable lust for information that saved me from a life of being a brainwashed sheep, I live to learn, and I soon learned that there was absolutely no proof for any religious doctrine whatsoever. So now I despise religion.

I respect science, not fairy tales. And freedom of choice and self responsibility, not prohibition because there are individuals who are morons.

2006-03-01, 05:13 PM	#2
Seska Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 20	As pornographers we walk a very delicate and dangerous line. Many of our consumers want to believe what they see. They want the sex to be real, the arousal to be real, the pain to be real, etc... They want us to be different from mainstream Hollywood productions (with its stunt people, saftey measures and well rescted actors). With the Internet, as well as adult video companies (especially those workign in the fringe areas of the industry) it is hard for the general public to know what is acting and what is not. That can increase people's interest in a product or it can turn them off. Some people want it to be very clear that what they are seing is safe, sane and consenual (and accept it is a fantasy version of sexuality), while others want the exact oppositie or at least hope for the illusion of the opposite. Like Alex said there are a bunch of porn consumers who don't care one bit about the well being of performers or the porn industry in general as long as they get off on what they see. __________________ Original Porn for Men, Women & Lovers Last edited by Seska; 2006-03-01 at 05:15 PM..

2006-03-01, 11:09 AM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Tigermom, I think the issues comes because some people can't tell the difference and try to turn the harmless sexual fantasy into reality with an unwilling third party. We know that everyone gets paid, everyone signs a model release, and everyone is old enough and willing. But the general public doesn't, and telling them about it could in fact kill the fantasies of the 99% of clients who are not going to have an issue with the stuff. It is a really difficult situation. How many people died from lying in the middle of a highway after that college football movie? There are just enough people dumb enough to try something to make it a problem. Alex

2006-03-07, 05:02 PM	#6
karomesis Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: pepperell,Massachusetts. Posts: 264	so long as individuals are reluctant to accept responsibility for their actions, they will, given proper training, attempt to blame their behavoir on anything and everything. Hey I robbed a bank because venus was out of alignment with pluto, or my father beat me when I was a child.So long as there are self righteous peoples, there will be individuals who disagree with one particular deviancy or another. There are some women who enjoy with great pleasure being chocked in order to orgasm intensely, it should be their perogative to do so, and no ones business but theirs if they suffer a mishap in the process. I enjoy driving cars very, very fast, If I die in a horrible wreck, It is my problem not anyone elses. To those of you who believe that this "type" of site offers the requisite ammunition for prohibition, I will only say that the line is forever being changed, I am sure hugh heffner could speak on this peculiar phenomenon, in his heyday he was a veritable monster for revealing of all things; a breast\|shocking\| now it has come to this. They will ALWAYS look for an excuse to prohibit what they do not agree with, be it "sleepattack" sites or womens faces in the middle east. I know from experience, as I had the unfortunate occurence of being a fundamental baptist a few years ago> It was only my insatiable lust for information that saved me from a life of being a brainwashed sheep, I live to learn, and I soon learned that there was absolutely no proof for any religious doctrine whatsoever. So now I despise religion. I respect science, not fairy tales. And freedom of choice and self responsibility, not prohibition because there are individuals who are morons.